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Posted: 4/22/2021 9:39:29 AM EDT
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FN49. Finding one 30'06 is the hard part. It's on my short list of wants.
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Posted: 4/22/2021 9:54:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FN49. Finding one 30'06 is the hard part. It's on my short list of wants. That looks like a bit of a unicorn. Anyone familiar with this? https://oow-govmil.com/firearms/hcar-heavy-counter-assult-rifle/ |
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Posted: 4/22/2021 10:03:56 AM EDT
[#3]
Browning BAR
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Posted: 4/22/2021 11:33:37 AM EDT
[#4]
1895 Winchester
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Posted: 4/22/2021 11:40:25 AM EDT
[#5]
Johnson LMG.
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Posted: 4/22/2021 11:45:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2021 11:49:19 AM EDT
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Its a shame about VEPR imports.
They made a 30.06 variant. |
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Posted: 4/22/2021 11:52:45 AM EDT
[#8]
BAR is the only answer for an American.
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Posted: 4/22/2021 4:41:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone was making a milled long action AR in 3006, 300wim mag etc.. Found it Noreen Arms 1918A3-SLR Noreen in the $2,500 range is enticing if its a good rifle. I'll start looking for reviews and videos. If I'm spending $5K on a 30.06, I'd be better off getting an ar10 pattern in 7.62x51 or .308. Thanks for the heads up. I would love a bar, but I'm looking for an optics ready, stand off rifle. I'd probably hunt with it some as well. |
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Posted: 4/22/2021 5:28:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Noreen in the $2,500 range is enticing if its a good rifle. I'll start looking for reviews and videos. If I'm spending $5K on a 30.06, I'd be better off getting an ar10 pattern in 7.62x51 or .308. Thanks for the heads up. I would love a bar, but I'm looking for an optics ready, stand off rifle. I'd probably hunt with it some as well. Seems like the one I handled once was called a paratus or something similar. It was back in 2011-12 and was a milled takedown design. It was really cool. EDIT: Gave it a google. Here is the company. No 3006 but offer a 338 L. 338 |
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Posted: 4/22/2021 5:49:34 PM EDT
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Doh - Just noticed that my title said "Not that I have". I bartered for a cherry M1 + ammo, including 500 rounds of m2 last month.
Going to continue looking at options, but that Noreen looks compelling.  Long Range 30-06 Semi-Auto Assassin - The Noreen BN36 AR-15 |
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Posted: 4/22/2021 6:12:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm spending $5K on a 30.06, I'd be better off getting an ar10 pattern in 7.62x51 or .308. Thanks for the heads up. I would love a bar, but I'm looking for an optics ready, stand off rifle. I'd probably hunt with it some as well. If you're spending a thousand bucks you're better off getting a .308. With your list of requirements options are limited and not cheap. And a garand is a magazine fed rifle and it would be fun to hunt with. A Browning BAR would fill the detachable mag, optic mounting and hunting requirements. But it's not really a battle rifle. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 8:54:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're spending a thousand bucks you're better off getting a .308. With your list of requirements options are limited and not cheap. And a garand is a magazine fed rifle and it would be fun to hunt with. A Browning BAR would fill the detachable mag, optic mounting and hunting requirements. But it's not really a battle rifle. Yeah man. I had clips on the brain, but meant detachable. The other thing I hadn't considered is that those Noreen mags are $130 per. That adds up pretty fast, and ar10 mags are more reasonable by a mile. Yes on the garand for hunting. I intend to take many hogs with it because most shots are within 150 or so at my ranch. I know the garand is capable of making hits much further, but my eyes aren't what they used to be with irons. I want a .30 cal thumper that is accurate out to 500 yards. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 11:09:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah man. I had clips on the brain, but meant detachable. The other thing I hadn't considered is that those Noreen mags are $130 per. That adds up pretty fast, and ar10 mags are more reasonable by a mile. Yes on the garand for hunting. I intend to take many hogs with it because most shots are within 150 or so at my ranch. I know the garand is capable of making hits much further, but my eyes aren't what they used to be with irons. I want a .30 cal thumper that is accurate out to 500 yards. Wish more companies would make long action auto loaders that use 20rd BAR mags. Would be somewhat reasonable on mags. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 11:23:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doh - Just noticed that my title said "Not that I have". I bartered for a cherry M1 + ammo, including 500 rounds of m2 last month. Going to continue looking at options, but that Noreen looks compelling.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgocJD5Gi2cWhen you said a decent amount of ammo, I thought you meant several thousand rounds. For 500 rounds, you are easily better off getting a 308 AR. Palmetto State seems to be just fine for the entry level. Aero if you want something fancier. I don't know how you shoot or intend on shooting, but just because you have 500 rounds of ammo does not make getting a one off rare and expensive boutique rifle worthwhile. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 11:32:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you said a decent amount of ammo, I thought you meant several thousand rounds. For 500 rounds, you are easily better off getting a 308 AR. Palmetto State seems to be just fine for the entry level. Aero if you want something fancier. I don't know how you shoot or intend on shooting, but just because you have 500 rounds of ammo does not make getting a one off rare and expensive boutique rifle worthwhile. Stop it! I want to see OP get some weird ass 06 semi auto! |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 11:43:28 AM EDT
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Even if the Noreen or the semi-auto BAR were fantastic rifles I wouldn't buy either of them. .30-06 is great for a M1 Garand and bolt action rifles, but not something I would consider for use in rifles that have limited magazine availability.
AR10's are long and heavy simply because the upper receiver length has to be extended to work with .308 length ammo. That pushes the barrel further away from the shooter changing the rifle's balance heavy toward the muzzle. A .30-06 AR will be even worse. Semi-auto BAR's weigh something like 17+ pounds the last I looked. Lots of rifle's are interesting, but end up being novelty items and of not much use. I can reload a M1 Garand more quickly in the prone position than I can a magazine fed rifle. A lot of practice helps, but the rifle kicks the enblock clip out and slipping a new one in is fast. I suggest you practice a bunch with the Garand until it becomes second nature. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 11:46:45 AM EDT
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BTW - 500 rounds wouldn't last one summer if you started shooting in M1 Garand tournaments. At 50 or 80 rounds per tournament your M1 would gobble that up in short order.
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Posted: 4/23/2021 11:49:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wish more companies would make long action auto loaders that use 20rd BAR mags. Would be somewhat reasonable on mags. BAR magazines are not highly regarded. Original conversion work conducted by Springfield Armory (government arsenal) tried to adapt M1 Garands to accept them because they were already in inventory. The results were not acceptable. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:03:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you said a decent amount of ammo, I thought you meant several thousand rounds. For 500 rounds, you are easily better off getting a 308 AR. Palmetto State seems to be just fine for the entry level. Aero if you want something fancier. I don't know how you shoot or intend on shooting, but just because you have 500 rounds of ammo does not make getting a one off rare and expensive boutique rifle worthwhile. No sir, not thousands. But the 30.06 was the first rifle I owned for hunting in the early 1980s. Since that time I've accumulated 750 or so rounds. I bought a number of boxes each season, but didn't treat it as a range gun. My intention with a new semi-auto would not be to burn ammo unnecessarily. Chiefly confirming zero here and there and hunting on occasion. I've been limiting range sessions to .556, 9mm, and 22. Even then, I'm not shooting near what I was, FJB. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 12:55:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BAR magazines are not highly regarded. Original conversion work conducted by Springfield Armory (government arsenal) tried to adapt M1 Garands to accept them because they were already in inventory. The results were not acceptable. I was looking at them from a availability standpoint. No clue on reliability. The few FA BARs I have seen at the local MG shoot seem to chug right along. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 1:10:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stop it! I want to see OP get some weird ass 06 semi auto! Ahhh you're totally right! OP get the ohio HCAR! If I were buying a gun in 30-06, HCAR is the only answer. That orrrrrr... Get a semi auto 1919 with a stock and handgaurd. I forget what they call that though. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 1:43:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ahhh you're totally right! OP get the ohio HCAR! If I were buying a gun in 30-06, HCAR is the only answer. That orrrrrr... Get a semi auto 1919 with a stock and handgaurd. I forget what they call that though. Yes this! I forgot about the HCAR. A stocked 1919 would be cool too. No magazine to worry about |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 2:38:05 PM EDT
[#24]
You gents are hell bent on getting into my thermal money!
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Posted: 4/23/2021 5:50:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You gents are hell bent on getting into my thermal money! HCAR with thermal would be the tits. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:44:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone was making a milled long action AR in 3006, 300wim mag etc.. Found it Noreen Arms 1918A3-SLR Ordered! I sent an email concerning lead time. Nathan called me at my office this afternoon and chatted with me a while. It seems like a good outfit. 12 weeks, as materials are of course affecting them too. I'll be back when it lands. It may well be wearing a thermal hat when I return. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 3:25:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ordered! I sent an email concerning lead time. Nathan called me at my office this afternoon and chatted with me a while. It seems like a good outfit. 12 weeks, as materials are of course affecting them too. I'll be back when it lands. It may well be wearing a thermal hat when I return. 
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Posted: 4/30/2021 3:36:30 PM EDT
[#28]
While we are here, feel free to recommend a rail-mounted bipod.
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Posted: 4/30/2021 3:41:49 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While we are here, feel free to recommend a rail-mounted bipod. Only one I have had any experience with was a Harris and it was ok. Maybe better off getting some of those shooting sticks. Most of the NV hog guys use those camera tripods mounted to the rifle. Pretty slick. |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 10:52:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryA stocked 1919 would be cool too. No magazine to worry about I have the OOW M1918 SLR, and it is a blast to shoot. And phenomenally accurate too, actually. I have a 1919A6 (variant with the stock) and let me tell you- that thing is HEAVY, not very well balanced, and less accurate than the BAR. |
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Posted: 5/6/2021 4:36:15 PM EDT
[#31]
BM59?
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Posted: 5/6/2021 6:09:10 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BM59? |
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Posted: 5/6/2021 6:17:48 PM EDT
[#33]
The Vepr would be my choice personally. Great for those times you need AP rounds, haha
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Posted: 5/6/2021 7:17:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He said...."30-06" I thought it was,its been a very long time since I held one. |
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Posted: 5/6/2021 8:03:05 PM EDT
[#35]
Gentlemen. Decisions have been made. Something is coming, including a thermal hat for those cold Florida nights.
I am interested in a tripod recommendation for those pesky |
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Posted: 5/6/2021 8:03:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Vepr would be my choice personally. Great for those times you need AP rounds, haha Another poster stated imports are a no-go, but I haven't researched. |
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Posted: 5/6/2021 8:05:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BM59? Yeah...awesome platform, but I want a modern, optics ready, railed, modern bad news 30.06. Weird...I know.
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Posted: 5/6/2021 8:10:51 PM EDT
[#38]
They are around. Seen some for sale on GunBroker before. But yeah no more will be imported. That AR style rifle might good too.
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Posted: 8/23/2021 9:53:18 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah...awesome platform, but I want a modern, optics ready, railed, modern bad news 30.06. Weird...I know. @keib any updates? |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 10:10:22 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if the Noreen or the semi-auto BAR were fantastic rifles I wouldn't buy either of them. .30-06 is great for a M1 Garand and bolt action rifles, but not something I would consider for use in rifles that have limited magazine availability. AR10's are long and heavy simply because the upper receiver length has to be extended to work with .308 length ammo. That pushes the barrel further away from the shooter changing the rifle's balance heavy toward the muzzle. A .30-06 AR will be even worse. Semi-auto BAR's weigh something like 17+ pounds the last I looked. Lots of rifle's are interesting, but end up being novelty items and of not much use. I can reload a M1 Garand more quickly in the prone position than I can a magazine fed rifle. A lot of practice helps, but the rifle kicks the enblock clip out and slipping a new one in is fast. I suggest you practice a bunch with the Garand until it becomes second nature. Kinda this. The only semi-auto that is really pragmatic with 30-06 is the M1 Garand. Get an M1D if you want optics. The round is so long the action just gets unwieldy. The only way the Garand was able to make it work, is because the bolt is relatively small, and the reciever only accomidates that small bolt movement; the rest of the springs and action are all in front, with nothing behind. AR10's are awkward balance, and have too much jumping around with that slow and heavy BCG. In contrast, an M1 Garand has almost have the cycle of an AR15. That's amazing, considering the bolt is traveling almost twice the distance doing it. But that's why the recoil of a Garand is so easily managed, it's a snap, and that's it - unlike an AR10 which is a whole lot of jump back and forth and back and forth before it's done with it's slow and heavy cycle. Most .308 semi-autos versions suffer from size issues to accomidate the long throw, and 30-06 is only going to be worse. Of the .308 class, the only semi-auto rifles I think have good balance ones comfortable to carry and deploy, are more bullpup shaped variants, like Desert Tech MDRx, or probably FG42. A 30-06 semi-auto is just going to be a goofy-long action for semi-auto. |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 10:27:16 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @keib any updates? I emailed for a status on Friday. It was a May order date, with the caveat of an 8-12 week expectancy. It IS happening. |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 10:27:29 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kinda this. The only semi-auto that is really pragmatic with 30-06 is the M1 Garand. Get an M1D if you want optics. The round is so long the action just gets unwieldy. The only way the Garand was able to make it work, is because the bolt is relatively small, and the reciever only accomidates that small bolt movement; the rest of the springs and action are all in front, with nothing behind. AR10's are awkward balance, and have too much jumping around with that slow and heavy BCG. In contrast, an M1 Garand has almost have the cycle of an AR15. That's amazing, considering the bolt is traveling almost twice the distance doing it. But that's why the recoil of a Garand is so easily managed, it's a snap, and that's it - unlike an AR10 which is a whole lot of jump back and forth and back and forth before it's done with it's slow and heavy cycle. Most .308 semi-autos versions suffer from size issues to accomidate the long throw, and 30-06 is only going to be worse. Of the .308 class, the only semi-auto rifles I think have good balance ones comfortable to carry and deploy, are more bullpup shaped variants, like Desert Tech MDRx, or probably FG42. A 30-06 semi-auto is just going to be a goofy-long action for semi-auto. Boo this man!! |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 10:45:05 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I emailed for a status on Friday. It was a May order date, with the caveat of an 8-12 week expectancy. It IS happening. Good. |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 11:21:07 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Boo this man!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Kinda this. The only semi-auto that is really pragmatic with 30-06 is the M1 Garand. Get an M1D if you want optics. The round is so long the action just gets unwieldy. The only way the Garand was able to make it work, is because the bolt is relatively small, and the reciever only accomidates that small bolt movement; the rest of the springs and action are all in front, with nothing behind. AR10's are awkward balance, and have too much jumping around with that slow and heavy BCG. In contrast, an M1 Garand has almost have the cycle of an AR15. That's amazing, considering the bolt is traveling almost twice the distance doing it. But that's why the recoil of a Garand is so easily managed, it's a snap, and that's it - unlike an AR10 which is a whole lot of jump back and forth and back and forth before it's done with it's slow and heavy cycle. Most .308 semi-autos versions suffer from size issues to accomidate the long throw, and 30-06 is only going to be worse. Of the .308 class, the only semi-auto rifles I think have good balance ones comfortable to carry and deploy, are more bullpup shaped variants, like Desert Tech MDRx, or probably FG42. A 30-06 semi-auto is just going to be a goofy-long action for semi-auto. Boo this man!! LoL! Ok, I'll give ya points on that one. 
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Posted: 8/23/2021 7:56:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kinda this. The only semi-auto that is really pragmatic with 30-06 is the M1 Garand. Get an M1D if you want optics. The round is so long the action just gets unwieldy. The only way the Garand was able to make it work, is because the bolt is relatively small, and the reciever only accomidates that small bolt movement; the rest of the springs and action are all in front, with nothing behind. AR10's are awkward balance, and have too much jumping around with that slow and heavy BCG. In contrast, an M1 Garand has almost have the cycle of an AR15. That's amazing, considering the bolt is traveling almost twice the distance doing it. But that's why the recoil of a Garand is so easily managed, it's a snap, and that's it - unlike an AR10 which is a whole lot of jump back and forth and back and forth before it's done with it's slow and heavy cycle. Most .308 semi-autos versions suffer from size issues to accomidate the long throw, and 30-06 is only going to be worse. Of the .308 class, the only semi-auto rifles I think have good balance ones comfortable to carry and deploy, are more bullpup shaped variants, like Desert Tech MDRx, or probably FG42. A 30-06 semi-auto is just going to be a goofy-long action for semi-auto. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Even if the Noreen or the semi-auto BAR were fantastic rifles I wouldn't buy either of them. .30-06 is great for a M1 Garand and bolt action rifles, but not something I would consider for use in rifles that have limited magazine availability. AR10's are long and heavy simply because the upper receiver length has to be extended to work with .308 length ammo. That pushes the barrel further away from the shooter changing the rifle's balance heavy toward the muzzle. A .30-06 AR will be even worse. Semi-auto BAR's weigh something like 17+ pounds the last I looked. Lots of rifle's are interesting, but end up being novelty items and of not much use. I can reload a M1 Garand more quickly in the prone position than I can a magazine fed rifle. A lot of practice helps, but the rifle kicks the enblock clip out and slipping a new one in is fast. I suggest you practice a bunch with the Garand until it becomes second nature. Kinda this. The only semi-auto that is really pragmatic with 30-06 is the M1 Garand. Get an M1D if you want optics. The round is so long the action just gets unwieldy. The only way the Garand was able to make it work, is because the bolt is relatively small, and the reciever only accomidates that small bolt movement; the rest of the springs and action are all in front, with nothing behind. AR10's are awkward balance, and have too much jumping around with that slow and heavy BCG. In contrast, an M1 Garand has almost have the cycle of an AR15. That's amazing, considering the bolt is traveling almost twice the distance doing it. But that's why the recoil of a Garand is so easily managed, it's a snap, and that's it - unlike an AR10 which is a whole lot of jump back and forth and back and forth before it's done with it's slow and heavy cycle. Most .308 semi-autos versions suffer from size issues to accomidate the long throw, and 30-06 is only going to be worse. Of the .308 class, the only semi-auto rifles I think have good balance ones comfortable to carry and deploy, are more bullpup shaped variants, like Desert Tech MDRx, or probably FG42. A 30-06 semi-auto is just going to be a goofy-long action for semi-auto. I prefer an M1 in .308 to an AR-10 in .308. For one thing, the whole set-up of my CMP .308 M1, loaded and slung, feels lighter to hump around than my LMT 7.62/308 LM8 with sling and a 10-rd mag. Secondly, the felt-recoil of the .308 M1 is notably less than that of the LM8, both firing the same ammo (e.g., IMI 7.62 NATO). |
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Posted: 9/5/2021 9:42:50 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a shame about VEPR imports. They made a 30.06 variant. This is where I would be- hook it up with a Vepr- maybe the accuracy won’t be anything spectacular, but you’ll have a mag-fed ‘06. BAR mags are just not at the level of the 20-round ‘06 Vepr magazines. I wonder if the Noreen would be accurate. I imagine it would have good accuracy potential, but I’m concerned that because .308 ARs are just that much more trouble than 5.56 guns, what a real long action AR is like to live with. |
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Posted: 9/5/2021 10:02:58 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is where I would be- hook it up with a Vepr- maybe the accuracy won’t be anything spectacular, but you’ll have a mag-fed ‘06. BAR mags are just not at the level of the 20-round ‘06 Vepr magazines. I wonder if the Noreen would be accurate. I imagine it would have good accuracy potential, but I’m concerned that because .308 ARs are just that much more trouble than 5.56 guns, what a real long action AR is like to live with. I'll share a range report once I get it in. While it's going to be a thermal host, I'll put some normal glass on it for the break in. All my ammo is boring though. In the videos I've seen, accuracy has been pretty good. 99% of shots will be within 400 yards. Most much less than that on the thermal setup. |
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Posted: 9/8/2021 8:16:02 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FN49. Finding one 30'06 is the hard part. It's on my short list of wants. Back when I was shopping around for a FN49 there were Belgian, Luxembourg and Colombian .30-06 rifles everywhere. I had a hell of a time locating an Argentine rifle in 7.62 NATO. Kinda wish I had bought both calibers in traditional ARFCOM fashion, but the 7.62 variant cost me a pretty penny when I found it. |
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Posted: 10/31/2021 10:21:53 AM EDT
[#49]
Any update OP?
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Posted: 10/31/2021 11:35:48 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any update OP? Sadly no. The thermal patiently waits. Ordered in May! 8 to 12 weeks was expected. |
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