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Posted: 4/2/2019 10:07:46 AM EDT
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I’ve done it both ways and honestly for me it’s worth the little bit of cash it cost. Sure it’s been a bit of a fiasco out the gate but I think that’s sorted now. I will go back to using them when they start working it again. I will admit the first one took so long that I had to dig deep in the safe to find the lower it was filed on.  I must admit, every time this thread gets a response I head here with the hopes of seeing that SS brought it back up...
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Posted: 4/2/2019 10:22:08 AM EDT
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I agree, I've done a few through SS and it was easy. I have a few more I'll do once it's back online, hopefully soon. I must admit, every time this thread gets a response I head here with the hopes of seeing that SS brought it back up... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've done it both ways and honestly for me it's worth the little bit of cash it cost. Sure it's been a bit of a fiasco out the gate but I think that's sorted now. I will go back to using them when they start working it again. I will admit the first one took so long that I had to dig deep in the safe to find the lower it was filed on. I must admit, every time this thread gets a response I head here with the hopes of seeing that SS brought it back up...
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:04:14 PM EDT
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Would someone be so kind to help explain the current silencer shop kiosk method of submitting form 1 for an SBR?
In this case, for instance, I've created an account on SS with all details filled out including photo and fully executed Trust pdf. it has no finger prints on file, currently. How do you even start the process? You can't even purchase a form 1 on the website. thanks in advance |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 9:16:13 PM EDT
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You currently can't.
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Posted: 4/4/2019 11:14:40 PM EDT
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I’ve been using SS for F1s with no issues when they were paper. The last F1 with them was submitted in November 2018, when they started submitting them through efile and had the big screwup with the ATF. Still waiting for it to come back since it was resubmitted in early March. Submitted a new F1 on my own a couple of weeks ago. Be interesting to see which comes back first. I won’t use the SS F1 service anymore. I’ll just efile on my own from now on.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 4:18:02 PM EDT
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I’ve been using SS for F1s with no issues when they were paper. The last F1 with them was submitted in November 2018, when they started submitting them through efile and had the big screwup with the ATF. Still waiting for it to come back since it was resubmitted in early March. Submitted a new F1 on my own a couple of weeks ago. Be interesting to see which comes back first. I won’t use the SS F1 service anymore. I’ll just efile on my own from now on. My experience with SS was fine - 2 of the 3 affected form-1 SBR/SBS/Silencer were approved - I would use them again - its just convenient for clicking send and submit. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 4:35:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So when one e-files - how do you submit fingerprints? Can you buy a fingerprint kit and do i yourself? How does one get the fingerprints to the ATF with the e-file system - that is the one part I am not clear about. With SS kiosk the electronic prints were nice. My experience with SS was fine - 2 of the 3 affected form-1 SBR/SBS/Silencer were approved - I would use them again - its just convenient for clicking send and submit. |
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Posted: 4/6/2019 3:55:08 PM EDT
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FWIW, if you previously used the Silencer Shop kiosk and they have your prints, you can call them and for $15 they’ll send you a set of your prints on cards in the mail (w/ a tracking number).
Do your Form 1 via e-file, upload your trust (if applicable) and photo, e-sign it, pay by CC and submit the Form 1. You then get the e-mail back with the cover sheet. Attach cover sheet to your print cards and mail back to ATF. |
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Posted: 4/6/2019 4:05:04 PM EDT
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FWIW, if you previously used the Silencer Shop kiosk and they have your prints, you can call them and for $15 they’ll send you a set of your prints on cards in the mail (w/ a tracking number). Do your Form 1 via e-file, upload your trust (if applicable) and photo, e-sign it, pay by CC and submit the Form 1. You then get the e-mail back with the cover sheet. Attach cover sheet to your print cards and mail back to ATF. I have a few projects I am thinking of (Vz61 SBR and a few suppressors and maybe an AR15 SBR so I can use a retro stock - the Blade is handy but somewhat disgraces a retro pistol XM177 clone. |
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Posted: 4/6/2019 4:16:36 PM EDT
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Would someone be so kind to help explain the current silencer shop kiosk method of submitting form 1 for an SBR? In this case, for instance, I've created an account on SS with all details filled out including photo and fully executed Trust pdf. it has no finger prints on file, currently. How do you even start the process? You can't even purchase a form 1 on the website. thanks in advance 1. Create an account at silencer shop and build a profile. You will need a photo to upload. The silencer shop smartphone App makes it easy. 2. Find a shop that has a kiosk or ask Silencer Shop for a finger print kit to be mailed to you. 3. Buy Form 1 service 4. Logging in with your account at a kiosk allows you to electronically scan your fingerprints in and tether them to your account - Done forever! 5. Complete Form 1 with applicable info. 6. once submitted to SS-they will send you the docs to electronically sign. 7. they submit it to ATF - 8. wait 9.wait Its relatively easy to do and once done you can add another Form 1 from the couch! 2. |
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Posted: 4/9/2019 10:53:38 PM EDT
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I've been hearing F1 SBR have been coming back approved in weeks e-filing. I haven't done anything post 41F.
I like the single shot trust benefits, can SS do this service for an F1 and then I/them e-file? I already have a traditional trust but want the convenience of adding trustees later with a single shot trust. |
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Posted: 4/9/2019 11:56:34 PM EDT
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I've been hearing F1 SBR have been coming back approved in weeks e-filing. I haven't done anything post 41F. I like the single shot trust benefits, can SS do this service for an F1 and then I/them e-file? I already have a traditional trust but want the convenience of adding trustees later with a single shot trust. |
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Posted: 4/10/2019 2:19:51 AM EDT
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How much was it to file the Form 1 with SS? I bought a can last Nov just so I could be on file and submit form 1s through them, I didn't think the cost was too bad then. Just trying to decide whether to pay the $15 for the prints and submit eform. Anyone get a deal on two or three sets or is it always $15 per set?
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Posted: 4/10/2019 8:15:43 AM EDT
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How much was it to file the Form 1 with SS? I bought a can last Nov just so I could be on file and submit form 1s through them, I didn't think the cost was too bad then. Just trying to decide whether to pay the $15 for the prints and submit eform. Anyone get a deal on two or three sets or is it always $15 per set? It was worth it to me. I hope it comes back soon. |
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Posted: 4/11/2019 11:31:26 AM EDT
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$35 IIRC It was worth it to me. I hope it comes back soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much was it to file the Form 1 with SS? I bought a can last Nov just so I could be on file and submit form 1s through them, I didn't think the cost was too bad then. Just trying to decide whether to pay the $15 for the prints and submit eform. Anyone get a deal on two or three sets or is it always $15 per set? It was worth it to me. I hope it comes back soon. |
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Posted: 4/11/2019 11:35:34 AM EDT
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How much was it to file the Form 1 with SS? I bought a can last Nov just so I could be on file and submit form 1s through them, I didn't think the cost was too bad then. Just trying to decide whether to pay the $15 for the prints and submit eform. Anyone get a deal on two or three sets or is it always $15 per set? |
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Posted: 4/11/2019 11:37:34 AM EDT
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It's not worth it. For $7-$8 you can get an inkless fingerprint pad. The FD-258LE cards are free. Filing yourself is free other than postage for mailing FP cards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much was it to file the Form 1 with SS? I bought a can last Nov just so I could be on file and submit form 1s through them, I didn't think the cost was too bad then. Just trying to decide whether to pay the $15 for the prints and submit eform. Anyone get a deal on two or three sets or is it always $15 per set? $35 is fair for the service.
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Posted: 4/11/2019 11:42:24 AM EDT
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And time. I can do an eform1 through Silencer Shop and all of that just magically happens. You can do it from anywhere w/ internet access. Or you could when it was working. $35 is fair for the service.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much was it to file the Form 1 with SS? I bought a can last Nov just so I could be on file and submit form 1s through them, I didn't think the cost was too bad then. Just trying to decide whether to pay the $15 for the prints and submit eform. Anyone get a deal on two or three sets or is it always $15 per set? $35 is fair for the service. |
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Posted: 4/11/2019 1:48:49 PM EDT
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It’s never taken me longer than 10 minutes to file one. So if you’re ok paying the equivalent of $210/hr, go for it.
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Posted: 4/12/2019 4:16:27 PM EDT
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How much was it to file the Form 1 with SS? I bought a can last Nov just so I could be on file and submit form 1s through them, I didn't think the cost was too bad then. Just trying to decide whether to pay the $15 for the prints and submit eform. Anyone get a deal on two or three sets or is it always $15 per set? |
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Posted: 4/14/2019 8:06:42 PM EDT
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I originally did the efile with silencer shop , then it was kicked back because of atf changes. No transparency with silencer shop . Then months later more crap to fill out . Sent of second time and they forgot to send my fingerprints so I was rejected last week, now 3rd times the charm ?????
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Posted: 4/14/2019 8:38:52 PM EDT
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I originally did the efile with silencer shop , then it was kicked back because of atf changes. No transparency with silencer shop . Then months later more crap to fill out . Sent of second time and they forgot to send my fingerprints so I was rejected last week, now 3rd times the charm ????? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 9:11:43 PM EDT
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Is there another vendor besides SS? I called about 5 weeks ago, and they said a week. I called back last week and they said it’d be weeks.... I want to Form 1 a MP5 clone ASAP.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 9:48:45 PM EDT
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Is there another vendor besides SS? I called about 5 weeks ago, and they said a week. I called back last week and they said it’d be weeks.... I want to Form 1 a MP5 clone ASAP. Yes...guy/gal named drake22. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 9:59:56 PM EDT
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Is there another vendor besides SS? I called about 5 weeks ago, and they said a week. I called back last week and they said it'd be weeks.... I want to Form 1 a MP5 clone ASAP. |
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Posted: 4/16/2019 10:53:24 AM EDT
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You can do an eform1 yourself. I like Silencer Shop's service, but this fiasco they've had doesn't inspire confidence. I've been asking about 2 of my 3 credits for it for over a month w/ no resolution. Good news or bad news, some kind of communication beats no response when you're asking questions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there another vendor besides SS? I called about 5 weeks ago, and they said a week. I called back last week and they said it'd be weeks.... I want to Form 1 a MP5 clone ASAP. |
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Posted: 4/16/2019 11:17:58 AM EDT
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Is there another vendor besides SS? I called about 5 weeks ago, and they said a week. I called back last week and they said it’d be weeks.... I want to Form 1 a MP5 clone ASAP. |
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Posted: 4/18/2019 7:56:59 AM EDT
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If you'd done it yourself with Efile, you'd probably already be approved and shooting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there another vendor besides SS? I called about 5 weeks ago, and they said a week. I called back last week and they said it’d be weeks.... I want to Form 1 a MP5 clone ASAP. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:08:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Order one set or roll a set or two yourself; scan the completed cards at 600dpi or higher, erase the FD258 background in the graphics/photo editing program of your choice, order a pile of free FD258s and print all you need. Profit. |
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Posted: 4/23/2019 8:42:48 PM EDT
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Submitted my own efile F1 on 3/22/19 and returned approved 4/23/19.
Still waiting on a F1 resubmitted through SS on 3/5/19 (originally submitted 11/5/18). |
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Posted: 4/23/2019 10:02:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you get the FP's in the correct spot and how do you get those FP cards to feed through a normal printer though? Free fingerprint cards You want WVATF0800 cards |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 6:01:01 PM EDT
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How do you get the FP's in the correct spot and how do you get those FP cards to feed through a normal printer though? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Order one set or roll a set or two yourself; scan the completed cards at 600dpi or higher, erase the FD258 background in the graphics/photo editing program of your choice, order a pile of free FD258s and print all you need. Profit. |
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Posted: 4/25/2019 2:29:57 AM EDT
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I think the idea is to scan in an existing card, delete everything but the fingerprints, then you would normally feed them via the bypass tray on the printer which is used for odd sized paper and thick things like cardstock. You should be able to setup a custom paper size to match the cards, then either test on paper or cards the same size, or if you have enough free cards print on them to test. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Order one set or roll a set or two yourself; scan the completed cards at 600dpi or higher, erase the FD258 background in the graphics/photo editing program of your choice, order a pile of free FD258s and print all you need. Profit. Depending on your OS, find "Devices and Printers" or similar (Control Panel>Hardware and Sound>Devices and Printers). Click on your printer to highlight it and then "print server properties" from the toolbar that appears at the top. Click "Create new form," name it "FD258 8x8." Unit is "English" and set the size to 8" x 8". When printing, select the FD258 8x8 form size. How the cards feed depends on the printer. I use an HP 4650 that allows you to feed the cards from the normal paper shelf - you just have to adjust the width slider to the proper size. It also does double-sided printing, which is nice for printing forms :). |
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Posted: 4/25/2019 10:35:48 AM EDT
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Anybody knows when the eF1 service is coming back? If at all?
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Posted: 4/25/2019 10:41:32 AM EDT
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Anybody knows when the eF1 service is coming back? If at all? |
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Posted: 4/25/2019 1:36:30 PM EDT
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Has anyone actually gotten a eFile F1 submitted through SS back yet? Still waiting for mine (re)submitted on 3/5/19, which was “pending” last time I called. I submitted my own F1 for a different lower two weeks later and already got it back. I wonder if SS dumping a couple thousand “fixed” F1s at once is causing delays.
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Posted: 4/25/2019 1:52:05 PM EDT
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Has anyone actually gotten a eFile F1 submitted through SS back yet? Still waiting for mine (re)submitted on 3/5/19, which was "pending" last time I called. I submitted my own F1 for a different lower two weeks later and already got it back. I wonder if SS dumping a couple thousand "fixed" F1s at once is causing delays. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 8:52:53 AM EDT
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Anybody knows when the eF1 service is coming back? If at all? |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 4:26:39 PM EDT
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Has anyone actually gotten a eFile F1 submitted through SS back yet? Still waiting for mine (re)submitted on 3/5/19, which was “pending” last time I called. I submitted my own F1 for a different lower two weeks later and already got it back. I wonder if SS dumping a couple thousand “fixed” F1s at once is causing delays. |
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Posted: 1/16/2020 3:51:13 AM EDT
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Has anyone heard any update for SS about form 1's?
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Posted: 1/16/2020 11:08:25 AM EDT
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Has anyone heard any update for SS about form 1's? |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 11:06:08 AM EDT
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For those keeping score, they were back in stock on Friday 4/3 for the first 1000 customers.
We brought these back for the first 1000 customers... and sold out in the first few hours! We are still working diligently with the ATF on a more long term solution that is in keeping with our goal to simplify the ATF process as much as possible and we hope to have this solution in place this year. An ATF Form 1 is the form to fill out if you are intending to create your own NFA Item. For most of us, that means transforming an existing AR lower receiver into a "Short Barreled Rifle." This form can also be used if you are creating a Short Barreled Shotgun or intending to create your own silencer at home. Silencer Shop is utilizing the ATF eForms system to submit Form 1 applications to the ATF digitally! While this system is fatastic (read: "significantly faster"), we need you to provide your SSN while you are filling out your registration information in order to use the eForm system. Everything else is the same (except the wait time)! They fill out the E-Form, then send you a link to log into E-Forms and Submit it. They send a Youtube page with directions.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 8:48:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For those keeping score, they were back in stock on Friday 4/3 for the first 1000 customers. They fill out the E-Form, then send you a link to log into E-Forms and Submit it. They send a Youtube page with directions. Seems like it would be easier if they just did a tutorial on eForms, and then emailed the customer the photo on file to upload, and sent the fingerprint cards directly from SS to the ATF. I did another eform today on my first SBR, and if they had that option I would've done so to save a trip to the P.O. |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 1:50:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did another eform today on my first SBR, and if they had that option I would've done so to save a trip to the P.O. Post Office? Or Police Office? No need to go to either when you use eForms.
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Posted: 6/30/2020 2:11:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Post Office? Or Police Office? No need to go to either when you use eForms. Post Office, to mail out fingerprint cards. If they had a service where they would mail in a set for me I would've done that 
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Posted: 6/30/2020 5:19:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Post Office, to mail out fingerprint cards. If they had a service where they would mail in a set for me I would've done that Next time you’re buy there, pick up some of the free Priority Mail mailers. Or you can order them online and they’ll deliver them for free. Then you can print a label here: https://www.paypal.com/shiplabel/create/ You could also buy a pack of envelopes and print 1st Class postage for them instead, which is cheaper and still includes tracking. (I’m assuming you have a mailbox or some other way to mail stuff from your house )
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Posted: 7/4/2020 11:55:36 AM EDT
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So I'm at 86 days since I certified my efile form 1 through silencer shop. I had sent them an email a few weeks ago and they said that they're seeing them approved but that they're taking longer than expected. In a reddit thread, they found out from the ATF that silencershop messed up the filings and they're not going to be approved ever until SS fixes them. I emailed silencer shop again asking for the login to the atf account they created for me so I could use the "ask an expert" option on atf.gov. No response. I've bought many silencers through them, but after this, I think that's over.
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