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Posted: 7/4/2020 7:05:22 AM EDT
[#1]
To clarify...these are just RNVGs with Elbit thin film tubes and no hand pick option, right? Or are they lesser in some other way? $5799 gets it any day of the year right? It's not a limited run?
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Posted: 7/4/2020 7:50:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You did it right. IIRC, @Honda4828 wanted to use multiple cash rewards cards to make the purchase (and/or he had other specific circumstances like an order change or something) hence why Sam told him to e-mail versus ordering online. ~Augee Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Didn't know we were supposed to do that. I simply ordered right off the site. Card was charged immediately and I received an invoice email in minutes. You did it right. IIRC, @Honda4828 wanted to use multiple cash rewards cards to make the purchase (and/or he had other specific circumstances like an order change or something) hence why Sam told him to e-mail versus ordering online. ~Augee Yep, cash rewards cards. Thanks again! ETA; @TNVC_Augee Will I be in the back order line from when I sent the order email or will I be pushed back to when you process the order? Happy 4th! |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 9:53:51 AM EDT
[#3]
Jumped on a 14 last night.
My receipt just says backordered, no stated ETA. Also, just to save members and TNVC time and emails, the Arfcom discount code does not apply to this. |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 10:32:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jumped on a 14 last night. My receipt just says backordered, no stated ETA. Also, just to save members and TNVC time and emails, the Arfcom discount code does not apply to this. Ok thanks. I figured that would be the case but it’s a great deal so can’t complain |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 10:39:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn that price is tempting I want to buy them but I’m skeered I will get one of the ones with dark spots/blemishes. I think that would probably bother me more than lower specs just from an OCD perspective lol. If you spring for the fancier unfilmed ones will they be spot free or is that still a possibility and I just have unrealistic expectations. Complete night vision noob, so sorry for asking questions that have probably been asked 87,000 times. It’s all very overwhelming. Same here. I think I've decided just to wait for Black Friday to see what JRH pricing is and get some better spec tubes in a BNVD-SG. The decision is green vs. white in those. |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 10:48:14 AM EDT
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I'm in on this deal, hoping for some great tubes. These will be my first.
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Posted: 7/4/2020 11:00:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn that price is tempting I want to buy them but I’m skeered I will get one of the ones with dark spots/blemishes. I think that would probably bother me more than lower specs just from an OCD perspective lol. If you spring for the fancier unfilmed ones will they be spot free or is that still a possibility and I just have unrealistic expectations. Complete night vision noob, so sorry for asking questions that have probably been asked 87,000 times. It’s all very overwhelming. FWIW, those spot specs listed in the maximums for spots are in microns (.003-.012) and not all units have that number of spots. Blemishes are bigger, these are COM-SPEC, thus have more generous cosmetic allowances, but they are not “blem” tubes. A truly “spot free” tube is a unicorn indeed, however, whether you will notice a .003-.006 micron spot even against a stark background can be iffy, and they will disappear in normal use. That being said, yes, the TNVC MIL-SPEC units are held to a much stricter cosmetic standard as well as spec standard across the board than NGI XLS systems—and you can request hand-select for the cleanest tube possible with no additional charges. That being said, if you want to know about what can be done with blem tubes, ask someone who has looked through the demo Sentinels I used to rock, and what those tubes looked like. Training really is the important factor—if you’re going to spend the extra money, I would make sure to factor some in for that. I’m certainly not going to cherry coat the min/max’s, again, they are within the range of theoretically possible—however all of the tubes I have looked through have been very clean (I’m not the build manager, so I have not personally inspected every single tube, but I know the build team has and they have not remarked on them). The photographs and video in the OP (and on our website) were taken through a randomly selected tube from one of our first batches to be delivered. ~Augee |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 11:08:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To clarify...these are just RNVGs with Elbit thin film tubes and no hand pick option, right? Or are they lesser in some other way? $5799 gets it any day of the year right? It's not a limited run? I am in no way affiliated with TNVC and have no dog in the fight but regarding the tubes, even the lowest spec tube you may receive will still be better than what many us service members have been using to kill bad guys for decades. And they are white. And the price is right. You know who assembled them and the components are legit. Warranty is legit. Yes you are gambling on specs but it’s not a deal where you may end up with trash. You will end up somewhere between a good tube and a great tube. |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 11:10:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To clarify...these are just RNVGs with Elbit thin film tubes and no hand pick option, right? Or are they lesser in some other way? $5799 gets it any day of the year right? It's not a limited run? In the very simplest terms, yes. The Night Goggles units were intended to offer a broader range of customers a realistic entry into Gen. 3 WP night vision, but they are not necessarily for every customer. The TNVC MIL-SPEC units are still (in our opinion at least) the very best performance option for customers wanting the highest possible quality and willing to pay more for it. And yes, for the NGI/RNVG-XLS, $5,799 will be the normal price after the introductory sale price and they will continue to be available through Night Googles as a standard product offering. ~Augee |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 11:14:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ETA; @TNVC_Augee Will I be in the back order line from when I sent the order email or will I be pushed back to when you process the order? Happy 4th! I don’t personally process individual orders, so I can’t answer that with 100% certainty just yet. Check back with us next week—someone should be getting back to you and we’ll get it all sorted. ~Augee |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 11:23:37 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t personally process individual orders, so I can’t answer that with 100% certainty just yet. Check back with us next week—someone should be getting back to you and we’ll get it all sorted. ~Augee @TNVC_Augee If you place an order and what you ordered is on backorder, do you still get charged or are you charged when they ship? |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 11:26:23 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @TNVC_Augee If you place an order and what you ordered is on backorder, do you still get charged or are you charged when they ship? Card is charged at time of order |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 12:13:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @TNVC_Augee If you place an order and what you ordered is on backorder, do you still get charged or are you charged when they ship? Our eCommerce platform is set up to charge immediately when you place the order online, however if you want to set up alternate payment arrangements you can call or e-mail. ~Augee |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 12:26:04 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am in no way affiliated with TNVC and have no dog in the fight but regarding the tubes, even the lowest spec tube you may receive will still be better than what many us service members have been using to kill bad guys for decades. And they are white. And the price is right. You know who assembled them and the components are legit. Warranty is legit. Yes you are gambling on specs but it’s not a deal where you may end up with trash. You will end up somewhere between a good tube and a great tube. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: To clarify...these are just RNVGs with Elbit thin film tubes and no hand pick option, right? Or are they lesser in some other way? $5799 gets it any day of the year right? It's not a limited run? I am in no way affiliated with TNVC and have no dog in the fight but regarding the tubes, even the lowest spec tube you may receive will still be better than what many us service members have been using to kill bad guys for decades. And they are white. And the price is right. You know who assembled them and the components are legit. Warranty is legit. Yes you are gambling on specs but it’s not a deal where you may end up with trash. You will end up somewhere between a good tube and a great tube. Texassooner, thanks for the post. You're spot on! We've looked at Mil issued leopard tubes at many of our classes over the years. Happy 4th of July all, and thank you for all the orders. We're simply hunbled by the sheer amount of orders and your trust with our NV builds. It's gonna be incredibly busy in the weeks ahead! |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 12:29:25 PM EDT
[#15]
so forgive me if this has been answered....
Looking at "NGI/PVS-14-XLS GEN. 3 THIN-FILMED WHITE PHOSPHOR MNVD." How does this differ from the mil-spec offerings? Is it a size / weight thing? clarity of the tube? |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 1:04:51 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: so forgive me if this has been answered.... Looking at "NGI/PVS-14-XLS GEN. 3 THIN-FILMED WHITE PHOSPHOR MNVD." How does this differ from the mil-spec offerings? Is it a size / weight thing? clarity of the tube? Go back and start at page 3. |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 2:05:31 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn that price is tempting I want to buy them but I’m skeered I will get one of the ones with dark spots/blemishes. I think that would probably bother me more than lower specs just from an OCD perspective lol. If you spring for the fancier unfilmed ones will they be spot free or is that still a possibility and I just have unrealistic expectations. Complete night vision noob, so sorry for asking questions that have probably been asked 87,000 times. It’s all very overwhelming. Once you leave the white drywall of your house its almost impossible to even see blems. Much less minor ones like theyd send out. Tube specs do however make a big difference. Thats just my opinion tho. |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 2:11:16 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FWIW, those spot specs listed in the maximums for spots are in microns (.003-.012) and not all units have that number of spots. Blemishes are bigger, these are COM-SPEC, thus have more generous cosmetic allowances, but they are not “blem” tubes. A truly “spot free” tube is a unicorn indeed, however, whether you will notice a .003-.006 micron spot even against a stark background can be iffy, and they will disappear in normal use. That being said, yes, the TNVC MIL-SPEC units are held to a much stricter cosmetic standard as well as spec standard across the board than NGI XLS systems—and you can request hand-select for the cleanest tube possible with no additional charges. That being said, if you want to know about what can be done with blem tubes, ask someone who has looked through the demo Sentinels I used to rock, and what those tubes looked like. Training really is the important factor—if you’re going to spend the extra money, I would make sure to factor some in for that. I’m certainly not going to cherry coat the min/max’s, again, they are within the range of theoretically possible—however all of the tubes I have looked through have been very clean (I’m not the build manager, so I have not personally inspected every single tube, but I know the build team has and they have not remarked on them). The photographs and video in the OP (and on our website) were taken through a randomly selected tube from one of our first batches to be delivered. ~Augee Thanks for taking the time to answer. That makes me feel a lot better about pulling the trigger! My last experience with nvg’s was is in 07-08 with 7b’s and 14’s that had been beat to shit. Sounds like I will be pretty happy with these. My wallet is about to hate me. |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 6:25:57 PM EDT
[#19]
Do the RNVG’s power off when they are flipped up?
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Posted: 7/4/2020 10:01:49 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do the RNVG’s power off when they are flipped up? Negative. It becomes muscle memory to twist the on/off knob and put them up in one motion. |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 10:25:33 PM EDT
[#21]
And away we go! In for a -14
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Posted: 7/4/2020 10:47:06 PM EDT
[#22]
While we're on the topic -
Do the RNVGs take regular PVS14 demist shields and sacrificial lenses? Do they come with the units? Trying to get all the peripherals here in time to play 
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Posted: 7/5/2020 9:55:02 AM EDT
[#23]
Question, are the elbit tubes in the 14s autogated?
[edited] an idiot friend said someone claimed these aren't autogated but he may just be rumor spreading and now i'm doing it too, my bad. I have lots of friends looking at these and I'm hesitant to suggest them because of the specs, especially the possibility of a 1300 photocathode sensitivity seems like a big gamble. If someone was to get a tube that meets spec but is really close to the, honestly abysmal, min/max could they return or exchange them? |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 10:05:47 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Question, are the elbit tubes in the 14s autogated? JRH Enterprise claims these are blemish tubes without autogating. I have lots of friends looking at these and I'm hesitant to suggest them because of the specs, especially the possibility of a 1300 photocathode response seems like a big gamble. If someone was to get a tube that meets spec but is really close to the, honestly abysmal, min/max could they return or exchange them? |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 11:52:38 AM EDT
[#25]
@jeffwinger
TNVC says they are autogated, and min specs look higher than published XLS tube specs elsewhere. If you are talking about the email JRH sent out yesterday I don't think he specifically claimed these are blem tubes. I could be wrong there. Reading it again I didn't get that impression. If your friends want a guaranteed high performance clean tube they will very likely have to pony up extra money. In my opinion if they would be happy with a potentially "average" tube then they should be happy. Specs are important, but I do feel like sometimes they are overemphasized. I have an older Omni IV/V tube and it still does its job even though its specs are likely relatively low; It's definitely worse performing than some Omni VII tubes I have, but its still amazing compared to no NV. Now getting a tube with max allowed spots would be pretty disappointing... *I will caveat and say comparison is the thief of joy...My first tube was a low performing Gen 2+ and when I first got I was still amazed until I looked through an Omni VII. Your friends may be less happy if they are unlucky and end with a min spec tube if they have looked or will look through a high performance tube 
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Posted: 7/5/2020 11:55:36 AM EDT
[#26]
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Posted: 7/5/2020 11:58:13 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @jeffwinger TNVC says they are autogated, and min specs look higher than published XLS tube specs elsewhere. yeah but my fear is i tell someone to buy these and they end up with a unit that has a PC of 1400 and blame me for suggesting them. i get the idea of a budget unit but it's just one of those too good to be true things |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 12:03:01 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If your friends want a guaranteed high performance clean tube they will very likely have to pony up extra money. I agree with this 100% |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 12:12:23 PM EDT
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All tubes are autogated, and all minimum and maximum specs are taken directly from what Elbit Systems of America has provided us.
I have not really seen tubes with PRs that low in the last few batches of XLSH tubes we’ve received that I can remember. Admittedly, I’ve seen close to the low (or high) ends of all the other specs, though it’s usually only one spec per tube that’s on the low end, not “stacked”—my personal suspicion (nothing to back this up from ESA) is that this is likely because most tubes with low PRs usually get shunted over to export tube contracts—one thing I would point out: these XLSH tubes are not export tubes, neither TNVC nor NGI uses export tubes in units, unless they are for export. I cannot say that for all vendors, as I have seen many a spec sheet that clearly show export tubes being used (if you know how to read manufacturer’s P/Ns). And again, not a thing I used to think would need to be said, but TNVC and NGI will only use the correct tubes for a given system, not export tubes, not 11769 tubes with docked/pulled EGACs instead of 10160-format tubes. Ultimately, as I’ve said before—these Night Googles units are not for all customers and they are not replacing anything in the TNVC product line—they were introduced as a new product to the Night Goggles line to give customers for whom good U.S. Gen. 3 WP night vision or binocular night vision goggles might have been otherwise out of reach, a potentially entry into the market backed by a known quantity of quality parts and assembly and full warranty. Re: tube exchanges and returns, what I will say is that we review each request individually on a case-by-case basis when they in, but our utmost priority is ensuring that our customers are as satisfied as they can possibly be with their purchase. Happy Independence Day weekend to all! ~Augee |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 12:14:23 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Question, are the elbit tubes in the 14s autogated? JRH Enterprise claims these are blemish tubes without autogating. I have lots of friends looking at these and I'm hesitant to suggest them because of the specs, especially the possibility of a 1300 photocathode response seems like a big gamble. If someone was to get a tube that meets spec but is really close to the, honestly abysmal, min/max could they return or exchange them? They are autogated and are not blemished tubes. They allow for more spots including a zone 1 but that is different than a blemished tube. You can find the details on the Night Goggles website. These are the same Elbit WP tubes that virtually all of the sellers on social media are selling and is how they are able to sell at those lower prices. They’ll cherry pick the higher spec ones and post those but other times just make generic WP sales posts without listing the minimums. I see this offering as the best solution for someone who wants decent WP (and gen 3 at that) on a budget. Also for someone who was budgeted for a WP monocular but can justify stretching their budget this amount in order to get binos. If you have the budget for L3 filmless WP or hand selected thin film WP binos, I wouldn’t choose these instead unless it’s purely for the $$ savings. In TNVC’s defense they’re dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t. In this particular case, I’ve seen guys knock spending the higher TNVC bucks and say these lower priced XLSH tubes (mainly sold on social media) are good enough for most users. In fact, entire posts dedicated to explaining why lower specs are not a big factor. TNVC starts selling them since there’s clearly a market and now they’ll get knocked for selling lower spec tubes. They are clearly explaining what these tubes are and who they are intended for. |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 12:16:51 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: yeah but my fear is i tell someone to buy these and they end up with a unit that has a PC of 1400 and blame me for suggesting them. i get the idea of a budget unit but it's just one of those too good to be true things You can always suggest these as well as other more guaranteed good options and let them make the call if the gamble is worth saving the money. I'm assuming they are adults capable of making their own decision once presented with vetted options. Any blame shouldn't fall on you as long as you don't miscommunicate details about one option or another. |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 12:23:47 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In TNVC’s defense they’re dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t. In this particular case, I’ve seen guys knock spending the higher TNVC bucks and say these lower priced XLSH tubes (mainly sold on social media) are good enough for most users. In fact, entire posts dedicated to explaining why lower specs are not a big factor. TNVC starts selling them since there’s clearly a market and now they’ll get knocked for selling lower spec tubes. They are clearly explaining what these tubes are and who they are intended for. This seems very true. I hate that TNVC/NGI seem to be getting shade for trying to be transparent about a budget option they are offering. |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 1:50:44 PM EDT
[#33]
We knew hate and discontent would surely follow after Debuting the XLS line at Night Goggles, but they hated Jesus because he told the truth and was persecuted for it.
He is the light and the way, and gave the blind sight. That’s all we are trying to do here. I think it highlights the fact that many vendors were selling the XLSH line of tubes at ridiculous up charge pricing and folks not knowing what the grading criteria is for the 3 grades of tubes. If you’d like to know More check out my recent video on this topic On YouTube (silentsolutions) Ultimately we want to provide good gear to good people at Night Goggles and TNVC, and go out of our way to do it as often as we can. We hope that the people lucky enough to take advantage of this sale and ultimately a featured line of NGI systems enjoy the Hell out of them for a lifetime to come. Any questions just ask. |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 2:09:39 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We knew hate and discontent would surely follow after Debuting the XLS line at Night Goggles, but they hated Jesus because he told the truth and was persecuted for it. He is the light and the way, and gave the blind sight. That’s all we are trying to do here. I think it highlights the fact that many vendors were selling the XLSH line of tubes at ridiculous up charge pricing and folks not knowing what the grading criteria is for the 3 grades of tubes. If you’d like to know More check out my recent video on this topic On YouTube (silentsolutions) Ultimately we want to provide good gear to good people at Night Goggles and TNVC, and go out of our way to do it as often as we can. We hope that the people lucky enough to take advantage of this sale and ultimately a featured line of NGI systems enjoy the Hell out of them for a lifetime to come. Any questions just ask. Amen Brother. People will always complain about something that’s just how life is |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 2:43:56 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Question, are the elbit tubes in the 14s autogated? [edited] an idiot friend said someone claimed these aren't autogated but he may just be rumor spreading and now i'm doing it too, my bad. I have lots of friends looking at these and I'm hesitant to suggest them because of the specs, especially the possibility of a 1300 photocathode sensitivity seems like a big gamble. If someone was to get a tube that meets spec but is really close to the, honestly abysmal, min/max could they return or exchange them? Thank you for clarifying that misquote. We do not sell the xls tubes. |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 5:21:26 PM EDT
[#36]
Thanks for all the help. Ordered a dtnvg last night, usaa was not happy about the sudden unexpected charge and locked my card down
 . Got it sorted, surprised they were open on the 4th at 2am. |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 5:24:36 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for all the help. Ordered a dtnvg last night, usaa was not happy about the sudden unexpected charge and locked my card down . Got it sorted, surprised they were open on the 4th at 2am.We had people there all night lol |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 5:35:03 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for all the help. Ordered a dtnvg last night, usaa was not happy about the sudden unexpected charge and locked my card down . Got it sorted, surprised they were open on the 4th at 2am.Thank you for the business!! NGI and TNVC have been absolutely astounded by the sheer numbers of this sale. Sam's gonna be flying out to assist with the overwhelming builds...Plus we have our crushing L3 unfilmed orders that have not slowed a bit. |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 5:56:37 PM EDT
[#39]
Man, there sure are going to be a lot of people with new wizard eyes. Can't wait
 Need to figure out a place I can shoot at night in NE Florida...
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Posted: 7/5/2020 6:06:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, there sure are going to be a lot of people with new wizard eyes. Can't wait Need to figure out a place I can shoot at night in NE Florida...I’m in St. Aug |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 6:09:08 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for the business!! NGI and TNVC have been absolutely astounded by the sheer numbers of this sale. Sam's gonna be flying out to assist with the overwhelming builds...Plus we have our crushing L3 unfilmed orders that have not slowed a bit. I ended up ordering them from the TNVC website because I was having troubles with the NGI website last night. Not sure if that makes any difference or not. I think a lot of people were interested just needed a push. For me at least, I was already saving up for filmless bino's simply because I didn't see many "in between" options for binos. Which this, at least for me, is what that represents. I really had zero interest in monos due to past experiences with 7bs and 14's. The huge price jump for bino's represent a really long term investment for most people, so this at least gets my foot in the door, and who knows maybe further down the line I'll sell these and upgrade to the filmless ones I had been saving for, or maybe ill get these and find them adequate. I'm excited either way. |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 10:08:09 PM EDT
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I scooped a 14 this evening. Time to figure out what I need for helmet mounts. Very new to this stuff, guess I need to start shopping IR lights and lasers too
 Going to need to check into some hog hunts or something since I have no where to night shoot! |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 10:43:26 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for all the help. Ordered a dtnvg last night, usaa was not happy about the sudden unexpected charge and locked my card down . Got it sorted, surprised they were open on the 4th at 2am.Yup, had to call in to my bank and explain, then get them to find the only supervisor in the building to un-fuck the situation. RNVG's on the way. Eventually. |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 10:49:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for the business!! NGI and TNVC have been absolutely astounded by the sheer numbers of this sale. Sam's gonna be flying out to assist with the overwhelming builds...Plus we have our crushing L3 unfilmed orders that have not slowed a bit. Just for shits and giggles, how many can yall usually pump out in a given period pending parts availability? Just curious... |
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Posted: 7/6/2020 1:12:29 PM EDT
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Got my order squared away this morning, what kind of lead time are you looking at for incoming orders?
PS: Jaimie went above and beyond, awesome customer service! |
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Posted: 7/6/2020 2:29:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got my order squared away this morning, what kind of lead time are you looking at for incoming orders? PS: Jaimie went above and beyond, awesome customer service! Got my email from Jaimie this morning. My invoice says 8 week lead. Ordered Friday morning. |
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Posted: 7/6/2020 3:08:01 PM EDT
[#47]
Just got my invoice from Jaimie.
8-10 weeks lead. PVS14 |
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Posted: 7/6/2020 3:19:53 PM EDT
[#48]
What did you guys get
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Posted: 7/6/2020 3:28:14 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What did you guys get The PVS 14 |
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Posted: 7/6/2020 4:00:34 PM EDT
[#50]
8 to 10 week lead via invoice dated 7/3....on a 14......and ......a healthy........wooooo....hoooooo!
 Been looking at good way to get in the game and make things more budget friendly. |
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