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Posted: 9/10/2019 6:31:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2019 4:34:38 AM EDT by airmandaniel]
So it seems that 2019/2020 is going to be the year of dual tubes for both branches, with the Army adopting the L3 Enhanced Night Vision Goggle – Binocular (ENVG-B), and the Marines going for the Harris F5032. I'm curious as to what's the general opinion of these systems on here, is this a step in the right direction or something else? I have to say I like the idea behind the Army's new system, but I feel like its going to weigh a ton and get broke real quick. The Marines system seems like a much more effect system but the ruggedness and survivability when given to junior enlisted may be an issue. So what say the experts on here?

L3 ENVG-B/ Army





Harris F5032/ Marines with possible thermal attachments

Link Posted: 9/10/2019 10:33:12 AM EDT
Shew that ENVG isn't going to win awards for design. Would love to play with one though.
Link Posted: 9/10/2019 4:44:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2019 4:46:28 PM EDT by TheHorta]
Looks like they increased the thermal objective size from 19mm to 25mm+. I presume they’re running either 17um or 12um thermal sensors. If 12um, the larger objective will focus more photons on the sensor, which should yield better performance.

I’d like to try a set to see how it stacks up against the single-tube ENVG-III.

Aside from complexity, expense, endurance, longevity, battery life, etc — I don’t know why the Marines would elect to not go with fusion technology. The capability of good latest-generation fusion will make any user wonder how they ever got along in the Jurassic period of NV when it was just lame ol’ dual tube WPs.
Link Posted: 9/10/2019 7:54:58 PM EDT
Well I have a hook up on the Harris the Marines are fielding. Still opting for the DTNVG tho, because with the Harris unit you have to get Harris thin filmed tubes to go with it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2019 7:58:24 PM EDT
Interesting. I was an ENVG-3 tech for L3 when I worked there.
Link Posted: 9/10/2019 8:41:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2019 8:51:16 PM EDT by MILSPEC556]
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 12:06:52 AM EDT
This is the first I have seen of the mock up for ENVG-B. Looks like the mutant love child of the BNVD (PVS-31) and FGS (PSQ-36)

PVS-31 is fairly rugged, and a lot lighter than the PVS-15. FGS is just cool, but expensive. This could be a nice system.
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 3:04:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2019 4:07:45 AM EDT by airmandaniel]
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
A solid step in the right direction IMO.

I assume the Harris units will come with WP tubes as well?
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Everything I'm seeing is yes.

I should also add that according to a few articles, the Marines will have a separate thermal attachment for their new night vision, so probably some version of the PAS-29 COTI or E-COTI.

I added some additional photos that I found floating around on the web. Most of them seem to confirm how much of a pain the new ENVG-B will be. All the pictures of it in the stowed position make it look like its gonna hang up on every damn thing, plus really throw the balance of the helmet off.
Link Posted: 9/13/2019 4:59:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2019 5:00:22 PM EDT by TNVC_Augee]
Link Posted: 9/13/2019 5:36:04 PM EDT
I'm no expert, but hope it helps the good guys stay alive to kill bad guys. After I got my first Photonis PVS14 I let my cousin's kid (current Army Infantry) take a look through it. He said it was way better than what they were training with, which I was shocked to hear. Is the average grunt's NV equipment that outdated?
Link Posted: 9/14/2019 5:03:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Augee:
I have... thoughts about these programs.



The Marine Corps' Squad BNVG is indeed intended to have a COTI component in the works as well, that may >cough< affect downstream commercial availability of certain other products.

~Augee
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I had a feeling you'd have some insight on these programs. Anything you'd be able or willing to provide?
Link Posted: 9/15/2019 12:22:42 PM EDT
Should've just gone with white 31s.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 6:51:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wag_bag:
Should've just gone with white 31s.
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That or go with something like the RNVG. Would make them pretty durable and less prone to breakage. I think one of the TNVC guys on here had mentioned how stripped down and delicate the 31's were, so that makes them less of an option for big military. Doesn't do anyone any good if the damn things are always broken.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 1:37:23 AM EDT
Does anyone know the proper designation for the new ENVG-Bs?

You know, like PVS/PAS/PSQ-number?

They do look heavy as hell.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 4:57:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2019 4:59:30 PM EDT by Alex_B]
I am quite surprised the Marines went with a Greek made night vision system.

https://www.theon.com/nyx

Harris just supplies and installs the tubes.
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Augee:

Meanwhile...

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/468022/AF192838-0B97-462D-BAF7-80BA6490AA7D-1095740.jpg

“Look at what I made at school today, ma!”

~Augee
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How much does that weigh?
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Looks heavy.
Link Posted: Yesterday 4:35:42 PM EDT
None of this looks Marine Proof or like it will survive a week in the jungle.
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Augee:

33.9 ounces (2.12 lbs) self-contained with all onboard batteries installed, 12 hours of NV life and ~4 hours of thermal battery life.

I don't remember if I've seen an actual weight published for the ENVG-B yet, but the threshold weight was 2.5 lbs (target weight 1.5 lbs), and my suspicion is that they're not significantly lower than the threshold weight, otherwise they'd be talking up the system's light weight. IIRC, it's also only got about 7.5 hours of battery life, though I believe that can be extended by turning off the thermal channel/augmented reality features.

The FGE and GPNVG are both in the 30 ounce range as well, and the Sentinel with ball-detent and E-COTI hovers right about at 27 ounces (26.95).

~Augee
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That is heavy but not terrible for what you’re getting there.
Link Posted: Today 10:30:47 AM EDT
does this mean the market is about to be flooded with surplus pvs-14's??!?!

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Originally Posted By TNVC_Augee:

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/468022/AF192838-0B97-462D-BAF7-80BA6490AA7D-1095740.jpg

“Look at what I made at school today, ma!”

~Augee
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I see what you guys tried to do there retrofit ACH/ECH Helmets with Ops Core Mission Configurable Helmet Cover. and upgrade the PVs-14 with your bridge add E coti and you have an amazing cable system for a fraction of the cost. Too bad they didn’t go for this would have saved tax payers a bunch of $ and gave the boots on the ground a very capable system.
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Originally Posted By smeeg:

I see what you guys tried to do there retrofit ACH/ECH Helmets with Ops Core Mission Configurable Helmet Cover. and upgrade the PVs-14 with your bridge add E coti and you have an amazing cable system for a fraction of the cost. Too bad they didn’t go for this would have saved tax payers a bunch of $ and gave the boots on the ground a very capable system.
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Still may get used someplace. There is video from last year of Recon Marines wearing dual -14’s on the Night Vision Devices S-Mount bridge. Most of the other guys had -31’s but there’s still plenty of -14’s laying around.
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Originally Posted By xLucidx:
does this mean the market is about to be flooded with surplus pvs-14's??!?!

https://images2.vudu.com/background/6831-576a.jpg
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As if. They'll sink them to the bottom of the ocean before they let us lowly civilians have them. They won't even let us have their old beat up Aimpoints, so they're not about to let us have gen III night vision.

Even if they did, though, they would probably be pretty beat up. The next gen night vision will slowly replace the PVS 14s, which will be kept in circulation for less important units, training, etc. By the time we got our hands on them they would be pretty well used up, and probably cost a small fortune. I'm guessing 1500 plus for some pretty nasty tubes, 2500 plus for clean ones. A lot of people would pay it just for that milspec rating.
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