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Posted: 1/11/2019 1:44:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/11/2019 4:53:40 AM EDT
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3d printers. Next item to be banned via executive order.
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Posted: 1/11/2019 6:19:08 AM EDT
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Why so ugly though?
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:07:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/11/2019 9:10:40 AM EDT
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Kinda like.
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Posted: 1/11/2019 9:35:38 AM EDT
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How does 21 points of impact adjustment work?
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Posted: 1/11/2019 9:39:56 AM EDT
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The whole thing looks like it belongs on the end of sci fi death ray. "Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range, suppressed please" lol.
Looks like something you might have found on the death star or a Romulan warbird. Silliness aside now, kinda interested to see what information surfaces on this one. It's definitely something different and if it performs good across different hosts that is what matters. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 9:50:39 AM EDT
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How does 21 points of impact adjustment work? |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 11:02:15 AM EDT
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I believe they mean the piston has 21 points of adjustment.
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Posted: 1/11/2019 11:10:55 AM EDT
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Interesting
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Posted: 1/11/2019 11:20:58 AM EDT
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The genie is out of the bottle for most people as this technology advances.
Limited use disposables could be a thing after an HPA even. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 11:24:49 AM EDT
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I guess the intricate design is a feature for tool use ala the Erector in tightening/loosening baffles?
Always good to see new designs and manufacturing techniques. 
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Posted: 1/11/2019 11:35:07 AM EDT
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Why so ugly though? 
Well, it is a grippy texture and probably increases surface area for heat transfer. If those features don't create stress risers then the exterior is over-built. It's a good thing it is modular because if Sig goes under or stops supporting 2019-style it's unlikely anybody else could repair. I'd like to see Sig build a fat, short co-axial rifle suppressor to compete with the Brevis. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 11:38:25 AM EDT
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I bet it's much lighter than if they made the exterior solid.
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Posted: 1/11/2019 11:40:15 AM EDT
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3d printers. Next item to be banned via executive order. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 11:41:06 AM EDT
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How much would it weigh without all of the thread interfaces? How much tolerance do all of those threads add?
Admittedly all I see is needless complication and cost. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 11:45:28 AM EDT
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Sort of want. I don't love the look but is there a weight reduction that makes it worth it?
What I really want is a 3d printer... |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 11:55:14 AM EDT
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Why so ugly though? |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 12:37:55 PM EDT
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Why so ugly though? |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 12:39:10 PM EDT
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The genie is out of the bottle for most people as this technology advances. Limited use disposables could be a thing after an HPA even. Sucks to be us. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 4:09:15 PM EDT
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Interest piqued. Waiting to see street price vs 9mm Erector.
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Posted: 1/11/2019 5:10:42 PM EDT
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Anyone see what the O.D. is?
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Posted: 1/11/2019 5:19:49 PM EDT
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Threaded components create two issues.
1. Those threads are areas of weakness to pressure or damage. 2. Those threads will be prone to gas deposited hard carbon crap, which will make them impossible to unscrew if not constantly disassembled and cleaned. Serious PIA for a higher use item. Metal 3D printing is done via DMLS or direct laser metal sintering process, which at this time is pretty expensive. No home builder is gonna be able to buy such a machine. However it may be possible to produce a light duty 9mm suppressor on an inexpensive layer deposition machine. It will depend on the design and also the plastic used. I've been researching such a design and think I may be close to something that will survive 9mm pressures. Currently I'm only using PLA, which is one of the stronger plastics but it is not at all heat resistant. There are much more heat resistant and pliable plastics available but they require a higher end printer to use. While plastic printing will never produce a long lived, heat resistant suppressor, it only takes about 12-15 hours to print a suppressor and the cost of the plastic is negligible. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 5:26:05 PM EDT
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I'm sure you are paying extra for all that ugly too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why so ugly though? |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 5:35:10 PM EDT
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Threaded components create two issues. 1. Those threads are areas of weakness to pressure or damage. 2. Those threads will be prone to gas deposited hard carbon crap, which will make them impossible to unscrew if not constantly disassembled and cleaned. Serious PIA for a higher use item. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 6:41:03 PM EDT
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Well, I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
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Posted: 1/11/2019 7:04:10 PM EDT
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I just don’t see any benefit to this thing. What is with all the ugliness of some of these cans? This star wars turd, the Q “ribbed for her pleasure” and the silencerco octagonal rimfire can. The cheap rebel sos cans look better. Why not just leave a simple spanner flat or something simple to assemble and disassemble?
All i see is an ugly can built with a new technology that probably isn’t as strong or precise as lathe turned baffles. I like the idea of this and the Q erector. I just don’t see the real benefit to so many adjustments to length, weight, and sound reduction. How many notches do you use on your 6 position colapsable stock? I have never used a few of them. I don’t see any practical benefit over a 2 or 3 length can, except for playing with it the first time at the range. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 9:55:38 PM EDT
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Well, I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery... |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 1:04:14 AM EDT
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I bet it's much lighter than if they made the exterior solid. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 1:10:58 AM EDT
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Just like people don't like pistol slides with lightning cuts on them - In reality, the exterior of the SIG supressor sections are just the same thing.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 8:25:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, it seems a lot of companies are using versions of that old HK patent from 1992 for scalable thread together baffle stacks. And using the tool features on the outside of the baffle and other parts like Schultz & Larsen and Nielsen silencer have been doing for almost a decade or more. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:49:23 AM EDT
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Why are suppressor designs going the opposite direction? Every other industry is going to clean simple forms, with surface finishes playing a larger role in the aesthetics, and then suppressors are going for 1970’s futuristic or looking like it was put together in the nuts and bolts aisle at the hardware store.
Maybe fussy designs are selling more? People no longer want a somewhat cohesive aesthetic between host/can? |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 11:35:32 AM EDT
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I just don’t see any benefit to this thing. What is with all the ugliness of some of these cans? This star wars turd, the Q “ribbed for her pleasure” and the silencerco octagonal rimfire can. The cheap rebel sos cans look better. Why not just leave a simple spanner flat or something simple to assemble and disassemble? All i see is an ugly can built with a new technology that probably isn’t as strong or precise as lathe turned baffles. I like the idea of this and the Q erector. I just don’t see the real benefit to so many adjustments to length, weight, and sound reduction. How many notches do you use on your 6 position colapsable stock? I have never used a few of them. I don’t see any practical benefit over a 2 or 3 length can, except for playing with it the first time at the range. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:06:01 PM EDT
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I don’t mind how it looks and I’m betting it will perform really well. I have become a fan of sig suppressors. Their centerfire cans have my favorite mounting system out of everything on the market and their 556 can is by far quieter at the ear than anything else on the market at the moment.
Will definitely be picking this up. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:28:35 PM EDT
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Bitching just to hear yourselves bitching.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 3:16:50 PM EDT
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Why are suppressor designs going the opposite direction? Every other industry is going to clean simple forms, with surface finishes playing a larger role in the aesthetics, and then suppressors are going for 1970’s futuristic or looking like it was put together in the nuts and bolts aisle at the hardware store. Maybe fussy designs are selling more? People no longer want a somewhat cohesive aesthetic between host/can? |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 5:57:30 PM EDT
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FA rated?
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Posted: 1/12/2019 6:07:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I just don’t see any benefit to this thing. What is with all the ugliness of some of these cans? This star wars turd, the Q “ribbed for her pleasure” and the silencerco octagonal rimfire can. The cheap rebel sos cans look better. Why not just leave a simple spanner flat or something simple to assemble and disassemble? All i see is an ugly can built with a new technology that probably isn’t as strong or precise as lathe turned baffles. I like the idea of this and the Q erector. I just don’t see the real benefit to so many adjustments to length, weight, and sound reduction. How many notches do you use on your 6 position colapsable stock? I have never used a few of them. I don’t see any practical benefit over a 2 or 3 length can, except for playing with it the first time at the range. Why should the automakers have an exclusive on pointless styling and trim changes, solely to accent that your vehicle is now last years model. The AAC Ti-Raid is another excursion in style over... what? Reminds me of the fins on a Cadillac. (And, I really do like the fine people at AAC, even if they never seem to produce the .45 Illusion, and even if they've discontinued my favorite .22 can). |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 6:42:23 PM EDT
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I see zero advantage over an Omega 9k
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Posted: 1/12/2019 6:59:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh? I want quiet, cheap, and small. I don't care if it looks like SpongeBob Squarepants. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:45:28 PM EDT
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I'm just curious to see what folks will say about the tone of this after its in the wild and some real world usage reports come in. Sure its fugly, that's a given but definitely can't complain about it weight wise.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:46:59 PM EDT
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I think a clean cylinder on this design would be fussy styling, unless I misunderstand what they're doing.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 11:31:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I just don’t see any benefit to this thing. What is with all the ugliness of some of these cans? This star wars turd, the Q “ribbed for her pleasure” and the silencerco octagonal rimfire can. The cheap rebel sos cans look better. Why not just leave a simple spanner flat or something simple to assemble and disassemble? All i see is an ugly can built with a new technology that probably isn’t as strong or precise as lathe turned baffles. I like the idea of this and the Q erector. I just don’t see the real benefit to so many adjustments to length, weight, and sound reduction. How many notches do you use on your 6 position colapsable stock? I have never used a few of them. I don’t see any practical benefit over a 2 or 3 length can, except for playing with it the first time at the range. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 12:44:37 AM EDT
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No, just that the Q erector looks like it would be found on the shelf of a porn shop instead of a gun store.
I’m sure that the cans I consider ugly are good performers. They would definitely have to be a step ahead of the competition for me to consider spending my hard earned money on. You never know. Maybe the funky outside has a funky inside that makes the tone more pleasant to the shooter or something. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 1:11:01 AM EDT
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Funny you should say that. Over the years, most all of the AAC cans that I've made for/transferred to myself are custom, unadorned, round tubes. Either blued, blackened, or bead blasted Ti with a bit of WD-40 rubbed in (my fave!). Everything you need, nothing you don't.
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Posted: 1/13/2019 10:45:48 AM EDT
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I see zero advantage over an Omega 9k |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 11:04:51 AM EDT
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I must have missed the part where the 9k can be adjusted for length. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see zero advantage over an Omega 9k 
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Posted: 1/13/2019 11:13:45 AM EDT
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I guess the intricate design is a feature for tool use ala the Erector in tightening/loosening baffles? Always good to see new designs and manufacturing techniques. https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Q-erector3-600x410.jpg What is happening here is Sig being Sig: Listening to marketing over engineering. It is purely cosmetic, and unfortunately it sacrifices function over form. As an engineer, shit like this drives me crazy. That space would be better used adding volume to the can. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 11:54:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't need a maze to allow tool use, just a few contact points.
What is happening here is Sig being Sig: Listening to marketing over engineering. It is purely cosmetic, and unfortunately it sacrifices function over form. As an engineer, shit like this drives me crazy. That space would be better used adding volume to the can. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 2:02:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I must have missed the part where the 9k can be adjusted for length. |
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