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6/25/2018 7:04:05 PM
Posted: 7/8/2018 1:30:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/8/2018 4:39:39 PM EDT by RaptorFuel]
BLUF: I want 2 devices for hunting/fun with a buddy. I can get one device at 50% off from FLIR/Armasight. I am seeking advice on what would fit my needs/budget.

Budget: $7000. I can stretch the budget a little if I need to but I can't go too much higher.

Use: Coyote hunting once or twice a year. My cousin works for FLIR and can bring home loaner clip-on thermals for the hunts which is why I'm not looking for thermal. I will also use the NVDs for camping, hiking, star gazing, watching wildlife. Most of the time I will have someone with me at night so I want a loaner for them.

Background: I have wanted some NVDs for a while and I am in the process of selling some guns/accessories I don't use any more so I have some play money. My cousin works for FLIR and has offered his employee discount to me. I want two devices because I find its more fun with someone. I also get the 'look' less often from my wife when I buy something expensive for 'us'. I think having good night vision would be fun as hell for our kids when they grow up enough to appreciate it.

Questions:
Would I be happy with a good filmed green OMNI VIII tube? I have only used a gen 1 DIY that I built which is too heavy to be practical. I know everyone says to get the latest and greatest but It's probably out of my budget.
Would you rather have a filmless PVS14 or a filmed green OMNI VIII binocular?
40 or 51 degree lenses on the Armasight?
What kind of tube is in the Armasight BNVD-3A? it says "IIT GenerationGen 3: "High-Performance""
MNVD51 vs PVS-14?

Options:
a. My ideal setup would be a WP filmless binocular device for myself and a PVS-14 to loan out. Or MOD3 with filmless WP ($9200).

Not in my budget.

b. MOD3 from TNVC for $7000 with OMIN VIII tubes.

This gives me a binoc setup when I'm by myself and allows me to loan out one side. Downside is when I'm loaning one out I lose the binoc functionality and no money left for mounts.

https://tnvc.com/shop/ab-nightvision-mod3-modular-goggle-l-3-omni-viii/

c. Two thin film WP PVS-14s from TNVC ($3200). ($6400 total)

This probably gives me the best tube (i can afford) but I won't have a binoc setup. Also leaves enough in the budget for helmets/mounts.

d. Armasight BNVD 3A ($4500) and a used PVS-14 (~2500). ($7000 total)

This might be the best setup. I will always have a binocular even when loaning the 14 out. Downside is the 14's quality might be lower and eats the whole budget.

http://www.armasight.com/night-vision/night-vision-goggles/armasight-bnvd-51-3a

e. Whatever you guys think of that I missed.

Option c looks the best but I really like the idea of goggles.
Link Posted: 7/8/2018 5:23:10 PM EDT
Armasight uses L3 WP filmless tubes in their PVS14 FLAG. 50% off would be a heck of a deal.
Link Posted: 7/8/2018 6:04:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By norbs79:
Armasight uses L3 WP filmless tubes in their PVS14 FLAG. 50% off would be a heck of a deal.
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Right now I'm leaning toward a PVS-14 green thin film from TNVC on sale with the needed accessories. Then, maybe next year buying a BNVD. Either a 3A or FLAG depending on how much I can save. I would like to know what tubes are in the 3A.
Link Posted: 7/8/2018 6:07:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RaptorFuel:
Right now I'm leaning toward a PVS-14 green thin film from TNVC on sale with the needed accessories. Then, maybe next year buying a BNVD. Either a 3A or FLAG depending on how much I can save. I would like to know what tubes are in the 3A.
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Usually ITT Pinnacle thin filmed tubes in the 3A
Link Posted: 7/9/2018 1:14:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/9/2018 1:14:56 AM EDT by Tacosis]
I wonder if your cousin keeps his job. Seems weird. All of that about buying a pvs14?
Link Posted: 7/9/2018 4:34:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tacosis:
I wonder if your cousin keeps his job. Seems weird. All of that about buying a pvs14?
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Why wouldn't he? He gets a 50% employee discount.

I'm not a millionaire operator like most of ARFCOM seems to be. I want to make sure I'm getting the most for my money. Although you may have a point, I do tend to over analyze things some times.
Link Posted: 7/9/2018 7:48:05 AM EDT
at 50% off, I'd want to max out the savings/value and probably buy one of the Armasight BNVD's with Pinnacle or Filmless tubes: https://www.opticsplanet.com/armasight-compact-dual-tube-night-vision-goggle-binocular.html
and then just get a dedicated Gen 2+ device to loan out.
Link Posted: 7/9/2018 8:16:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By chosos:
at 50% off, I'd want to max out the savings/value and probably buy one of the Armasight BNVD's with Pinnacle or Filmless tubes: https://www.opticsplanet.com/armasight-compact-dual-tube-night-vision-goggle-binocular.html
and then just get a dedicated Gen 2+ device to loan out.
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This
Link Posted: 7/9/2018 8:31:18 AM EDT
I like my filmless WP, but under budget constraints I wouldn't feel bad with thin filmed. MOD3 is a nifty way to get bino and mono, but with your available discount not necessarily the best choice. Seems like you could get dedicated bino and one mono cheaper.
Link Posted: 7/9/2018 11:41:31 AM EDT
-50% that's a crazy discount. Like said I'd maximize that too even if that meant sacrificing something else.

About Mod3 (which I haven't personally used) the idea sounds great, but I am sure you will not want to take binos off your face once you've put them on so it kind of doesn't give you a loaner no matter if you think it does

I haven't still seen much info on the 51deg optics. Nor on the BNVD body if it's actually good or not.

One thing that's certain is the 51deg eyepieces have shorter eye relief compared to the standard 40deg. How much will they distort if used beyond the max eye relief is something that I'd be interested because it may not be the most comfortable experience having your eyelashes against the glass. Or almost.

Not sure if I remember this right, but I think they have an odd cutoff for power like maybe it was an hour and then it shuts off automatically. If I remember it right, there could be something in there that notices you are moving and don't do that auto-off via a timer. I'd be annoyed if my binos were to shut down unexpectedly.

The BNVD with filmless tubes would be something I'd go for assuming the body & optics are good. Their standard 40deg optics are good at least. Then like mentioned get a Gen2+ for a loaner later on.
Link Posted: 7/9/2018 12:01:58 PM EDT
I think I'm going to order a thin film PVS14 on sale from TNVC along with a nightcap and mounts. Do a little T&E on this unit and evaluate what I want in a dual setup. If the thin film PVS exceeds my needs I will probably get the thin film BNVD, if not I will save a while longer and go with the BNVD FLAG.

I need to get my toys in while I can because we plan on having a kid in a couple years.
Link Posted: 7/11/2018 12:15:59 AM EDT
Look at Ultimate Night Vision units as well, a forum sponsor. They generally have better prices and lower wait times.
Link Posted: 7/11/2018 8:29:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RaptorFuel:
I think I'm going to order a thin film PVS14 on sale from TNVC along with a nightcap and mounts. Do a little T&E on this unit and evaluate what I want in a dual setup. If the thin film PVS exceeds my needs I will probably get the thin film BNVD, if not I will save a while longer and go with the BNVD FLAG.

I need to get my toys in while I can because we plan on having a kid in a couple years.
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Then make sure to get an extra one for your kid as well :) Kids love NV.

Now, how about you make it a group buy for the forum and get us all 50% off ? I got an order list a mile long... I'll PM it to you as a spreadsheet... Can you take spreadsheets over 10Gb in size?

lol! Just kidding :) That's one heck of a discount.

Anyway, some advice - Work out whether you're a monocular man or a binocular man first. Find someone to help you try - and remember - Two monoculars on a bridge are a binocular, and when there's someone to share with, you only need an extra bridge and you can both go monocular.

I tried binocular once, and while I loved the depth perception, I really didn't like the weight at all. Also, I kind of like one eye un-aided so I've stayed monocular since. It's a personal thing.

David.
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