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Posted: 5/13/2018 8:35:43 PM EDT
Have been going back and forth on if I need a .308 can yet. I was told the sandmans have no restrictions for barrel length and that is great for my love of SBR’s. My plan is to use the sandman on my 4.5” 5.56 sbr and a .308 sbr that I have yet to determine. I love short and compact, but I also want to be reasonable as I’m only buying 1 more can after this until next year. So should I hedge my bets and go with the S and sacrifice some length? Or stick with the K for the smallest of packages?
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Have been going back and forth on if I need a .308 can yet. I was told the sandmans have no restrictions for barrel length and that is great for my love of SBR’s. My plan is to use the sandman on my 4.5” 5.56 sbr and a .308 sbr that I have yet to determine. I love short and compact, but I also want to be reasonable as I’m only buying 1 more can after this until next year. So should I hedge my bets and go with the S and sacrifice some length? Or stick with the K for the smallest of packages? View Quote |
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I’d go s if you just get one. The s is still comfortable with no hearing on a 20” .308 gun and I run my 5.56 sbrs without hearing as well. I’m sure guys will say you still need hearing but I don’t find it necessary for short strings. The k is awesome but not comfortable without hearing protection. Having said that I’m sure I’ll get a k to accompany my s.
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Have been going back and forth on if I need a .308 can yet. I was told the sandmans have no restrictions for barrel length and that is great for my love of SBR's. My plan is to use the sandman on my 4.5" 5.56 sbr and a .308 sbr that I have yet to determine. I love short and compact, but I also want to be reasonable as I'm only buying 1 more can after this until next year. So should I hedge my bets and go with the S and sacrifice some length? Or stick with the K for the smallest of packages? |
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I bought a K. I kinda want another.
I also bought an L and will probably pick up an S at some point. The K will be loud, but if you like short it fits the bill. |
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4.5" 5.56 and .308 SBR? Sandman-L View Quote I opted for the K. Sometimes I kinda regret it and think I should have gone with the S. I was mainly wanting it for .300 blk and subs and the K is adequate for that. On my 10.5 5.56 its loud. Just about anything else I might add into my arsenal not .300 blk through the K is gonna be loud. The S would have fit that bill better honestly. As someone already stated, a few shots through the K with a 5.56 are tolerable but not something I like to do often especially at a range session. If I got another Sandman I might actually consider the TI model or someone elses direct thread can for my bolt gun but an S or an L for me would be nice since I'm already invested in the mounts with some of my AR pattern rifles. |
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Didnt read. Unless you have dedicated cans and hosts, the answer is S
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This. I opted for the K. Sometimes I kinda regret it and think I should have gone with the S. I was mainly wanting it for .300 blk and subs and the K is adequate for that. On my 10.5 5.56 its loud. Just about anything else I might add into my arsenal not .300 blk through the K is gonna be loud. The S would have fit that bill better honestly. As someone already stated, a few shots through the K with a 5.56 are tolerable but not something I like to do often especially at a range session. If I got another Sandman I might actually consider the TI model or someone elses direct thread can for my bolt gun but an S or an L for me would be nice since I'm already invested in the mounts with some of my AR pattern rifles. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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4.5" 5.56 and .308 SBR? Sandman-L I opted for the K. Sometimes I kinda regret it and think I should have gone with the S. I was mainly wanting it for .300 blk and subs and the K is adequate for that. On my 10.5 5.56 its loud. Just about anything else I might add into my arsenal not .300 blk through the K is gonna be loud. The S would have fit that bill better honestly. As someone already stated, a few shots through the K with a 5.56 are tolerable but not something I like to do often especially at a range session. If I got another Sandman I might actually consider the TI model or someone elses direct thread can for my bolt gun but an S or an L for me would be nice since I'm already invested in the mounts with some of my AR pattern rifles. |
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S first, K later on. You’ll get far more use and overall satisfaction with the S, but eventually you’ll want a shorter lighter option for when you’re carrying it more than shooting it.
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Neither one will be hearing safe on a 4.5" barrel so pick the the K and be done with it. I assume that the reason you made the 4.5 is to be light and maneuverable and long heavy suppressor will take away from it. Sandman S is a tank at over 20 ounces with the brake. Rugged razor is shorter and lighter than the sandman s. I like that too.
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If this is your only centerfire can and those are your only two hosts I'd go with the Sandman L.
I've got a K and it's still quite loud on a 18" Grendel and a 8" 5.56. It's going to be even worse with your hosts. I believe even the S is going to be over 140 DB with those hosts. The L would probably be a better choice. Or you could get both the K and the L. |
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If this is your only centerfire can and those are your only two hosts I'd go with the Sandman L. I've got a K and it's still quite loud on a 18" Grendel and a 8" 5.56. It's going to be even worse with your hosts. I believe even the S is going to be over 140 DB with those hosts. The L would probably be a better choice. Or you could get both the K and the L. View Quote |
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Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/190859/673DFE7B-D2DE-4273-BBBA-EFC37EC37DE2-543634.JPG Next to 7.5” upper for reference View Quote |
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I stil need to try my k on a hk51. That'll rattle some fillings loose.
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The K would keep it short and light, which I assume is your goal. It won't be hearing safe, but it will take some of the bite out of it. In an indoor self defense scenario it would still be loud, but a helluva lot better than shooting that thing without a can. And I think you can still get the K pretty cheap.
That said, the right answer is get both |
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Get with HansohnBrothers and they still have a great deal on the K. I bought both also. But, given how short your guns are I would say the L would be the way to go and the gun would still be pretty compact.
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Op, ever consider swapping out for a larger diameter hand guard and tucking the can inside? A 10 to 12 inch rail with the Sandman L in there would look sweet IMO. Or maybe do a 7 to 9 in rail with an S in there?
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Op, ever consider swapping out for a larger diameter hand guard and tucking the can inside? A 10 to 12 inch rail with the Sandman L in there would look sweet IMO. Or maybe do a 7 to 9 in rail with an S in there? View Quote I run either the K or S under it and it's really nice! |
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Op, ever consider swapping out for a larger diameter hand guard and tucking the can inside? A 10 to 12 inch rail with the Sandman L in there would look sweet IMO. Or maybe do a 7 to 9 in rail with an S in there? View Quote |
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Quoted: They definitely aren’t making me any friends at the range. People hate me after a couple mags View Quote |
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Have you chronographed that 4.5" 556? Was that a custom chop and thread job or does somebody actually sell barrels that short? Also curious about the gas tube length (pigtail?) and gas port size.
I bet if you advertised a Go Fund Me page for needing a 300BO upper for your range you'd get consideration for it. The SPL on that unsuppressed is damned close to a flash bang grenade. |
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S first, K later on. You’ll get far more use and overall satisfaction with the S, but eventually you’ll want a shorter lighter option for when you’re carrying it more than shooting it. View Quote |
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Have you chronographed that 4.5" 556? Was that a custom chop and thread job or does somebody actually sell barrels that short? Also curious about the gas tube length (pigtail?) and gas port size. I bet if you advertised a Go Fund Me page for needing a 300BO upper for your range you'd get consideration for it. The SPL on that unsuppressed is damned close to a flash bang grenade. View Quote |
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Quoted: This is where I currently stand, S in-hand and looking at Ks. You'll end up wanting both before it's over, but starting with the S is a good idea. View Quote |
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Get the Sandman K. It's on sale for a good price and uses the same muzzle devices as the S. You'll save money!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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So one thing to watch out for when you get your suppressor is bullet stability. That short of a barrel will deliver lower velocity and even though it's a fast 1:7 twist the length isn't enough for even one complete bullet revolution. Having a .30 cal can gives you some lee-way and if you stick to 55gn and lighter bullets the risk is low. But for the first shot or two with the can, look for groups opening up or huge impact shift, and examine the front cap. I've seen it happen on 7" 556 with an M4-2000. It's a 556 can and no had no visible baffle strikes, but that barrel and can did not play well together. It grouped worse than buckshot and key holed at 10 yards into a 3-4 foot spread. Hopefully you don't have this problem, but it would suck to chinger up a new can by not looking out for weirdness at first.
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