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Posted: 3/27/2021 3:12:33 AM EDT
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Anodized aluminum under NV shows you the value of Krylon.
Although I'm seeing a lot more anodized firearm parts that seem to have some sort of IR effective dye, the last few years. |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 7:55:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2021 8:51:52 AM EDT
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GREAT THREAD, thank you!
I was noticing (19) the DPM seemed to pop. That's interesting to me because during one of our NV classes we did a lot of jungle lanes and the target usually missed by the most people is a tall Ivan that is covered in an old DPM chem suit top. Maybe it's our terrain but it blends really well. It's the old skewl DPM from the 80's/early 90's not the multicam look alike stuff. |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 10:13:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2021 6:50:20 AM EDT
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16/18 seem the best.
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Posted: 3/28/2021 8:07:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2021 8:37:41 AM EDT
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There is a lot of info in these pictures :) Most definitely! Well done. Thanks again. |
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Posted: 3/29/2021 2:06:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/30/2021 12:56:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2021 10:03:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/1/2021 8:23:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/1/2021 9:34:16 AM EDT
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The real question is, were you wearing clothes when you took the photos?
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Posted: 4/1/2021 11:53:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/4/2021 4:59:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2021 5:09:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2021 5:09:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/8/2021 12:10:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/8/2021 2:01:05 PM EDT
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Awesome work! FDE almost looks reflective while anything with any pattern seems to break it all up.
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Posted: 4/9/2021 11:49:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/10/2021 11:44:55 AM EDT
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Great stuff, thanks again!
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Posted: 4/10/2021 2:21:32 PM EDT
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Cool thread. The only pattern I see missing is the Hawaiian Boogaloo pattern
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Posted: 4/10/2021 2:48:09 PM EDT
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I have all UF Pro - Brown/Gray (AKA Ranger Green / RAL 7013) and Coyote Brown (which again, isn't - more of a Yellowish Desert Tan). The Striker X Pants and Striker XT Gen 2 in Ranger Green had zero glow for the main fabric under 940nm. The Knee Pads (Cordura covered) and Jersey material (under the Plate Carrier) did glow. The Striker HT in their Coyote I couldn't tell - it's such a light color anyway - the Knee Pads were the same as the Striker X, and lighter than the main fabric. When I pull the pic, I'll post it. Eberlestock Operator Pack, and 5.11 Rush 72, glowed like mf'ers (except for the PALS Webbing).
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Posted: 4/12/2021 8:01:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/12/2021 11:46:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @mickdonaldson You have done this before :). I'm old - I forget 
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Posted: 4/13/2021 3:53:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/13/2021 6:16:46 AM EDT
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Remember way back when it was posted that Aqua Net hairspray gave your gear good IR protection?
https://www.hyperstealth.com/baseline/ |
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Posted: 4/13/2021 7:16:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/13/2021 8:20:13 AM EDT
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Do you have any tests of the Gulf War 1 checker?
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Posted: 4/13/2021 7:53:16 PM EDT
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UFPRO makes sick outerwear that makes you invisible to NV and Thermal but its restricted. Would it be illegal to own a set if you found it second hand?
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Posted: 4/13/2021 8:33:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2021 12:08:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you mean the old original "chocolate chip" which was a combination of brown brush strokes and some almost digital like brown and beige splotches all on a tan background - if thats the one you mean - I don't. I do have desert "DCU" and desert digital, the former is no longer in use and desert digital is very similar to USMC MARPAT desert. All the MARPATS were based on the (ARBOREAL) CADPAT design. No, talking about their Camoshield which utilizes a Schoeller fabric. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dvT2Tptuqfw Here is another company, again we cant own this apparently. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4kXOSfesl00 |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 10:33:43 AM EDT
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This just came up in my YT feed.
As a tie in to the OP, he talks about various types of paint and compares them under NV. With so many folks "rattle can" painting their rifles, this could be useful info.  Best Paint VS Night Vision |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 11:09:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2021 11:19:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2021 11:33:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2021 8:15:20 AM EDT
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I read his post as the old night desert pattern with the grid. If correct, I would be interested in that one too since it has been described as outclassed by current generation devices.
On another note, have you tested any of the commercially available "UV Killer" products typically marketed to hunters? I understand that it's intended to work on the opposite end of the spectrum, but it would be a nice bonus if they also reduced IR reflectivity. This has been an excellent thread. Thanks for all the work you've put into it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2021 10:22:20 AM EDT
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Why would some cordura glow and others not? I took out a bunch of my kit last night to check and the esstac stuff and velocity systems carrier were fine but a couple pouches I have from BDS glow like a mf'er. As far as I can tell BDS stuff has been useddown range by Marines and the like (fairly sure they make the dump pouch that was so common to see in photos from Iraq), is there something they do to get rid of the extreme luminesce? It was really really bad and I have a hard time believing they'd get away with using it if they didn't.
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Posted: 4/15/2021 10:22:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/16/2021 12:01:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/16/2021 5:49:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.imgur.com/SrO99Zl.jpg Note the general versatility of coyote and pairs well with most quality camo e.g. 3,5 and 8 on 1, 2 and 4. Also note the gearskin swatches are IR treated at the factory - the desert digital has no texture, the 3 colour desert does have texture but it is to broad brush. That's what caught me off guard, I though coyote was decent and that's what all my stuff is. I emailed the folks at BDS and they said all their materials are mil-spec, us-made, berry compliant, and had been tested for ir responce. They suggested washing and roughing 'em up a bit, which makes sence I suppose to not use brand new stuff when judging ir responce, but could it really make that big of a difference? Until recently I had only used an sadf surplus chest rig, so everything I was viewing is new, and the scarab lt and esstac front pannel performed almost exactly like the coyote items in your photo above. The two offending pouches are 1000d cordura while the othe stuff is 500d, could that be the difference? Also is ir treatment something that can be done at home/ does it wear off? |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 6:51:17 AM EDT
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Shame you don't have anything in MAS Grey. Supposedly it works great under IR from user reports.
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Posted: 4/16/2021 7:55:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shame you don't have anything in MAS Grey. Supposedly it works great under IR from user reports. It must be dependent on the manufacturer, materials, etc., because the only example I have is not great. This was taken this morning with the daylight filter on in natural light only, and is not quite to the level of the other work in this thread. I'll get another shot outside once the sun goes down and see what happens. Very well worn M81 blouse in back with LBT 3 Day Pack in MAS Gray on left, GORUCK Echo in Ranger Green on right. Both packs unused and unwashed. https://postimg.cc/k6h91cWT |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 9:26:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2021 7:26:37 AM EDT
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Here are some more shots of the MAS Gray as promised.
At dusk: https://postimg.cc/vD99Z7JR No moon, overcast, very dark outside with no artificial lighting: https://postimg.cc/mtnt3Pf3 With onboard IR: https://postimg.cc/HJ9YNxKh |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 10:23:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2021 11:03:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2021 10:35:46 AM EDT
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So for those of us not smart enough to understand what's going on here....
I live in the piney woods of east Texas and the longest shots are on pipeline rows so 200yds and under. Which camo do I get for the boog/wine mixer/whatever the fuck we are calling it now??? 
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Posted: 4/19/2021 12:43:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2021 1:27:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats an area that looks very arboreal lots of green and brown so CADPAT, USMC Woodland MARPAT, multicam-MTP (this is the brit version of multicam but greener and browner with disruptive pattern elements) Navy AOR-2 or Woodland digital. Go for products with the least synthetic content. The detection distance difference between woodland MARPAT and standard multicam is around ~100m in daylight e.g. if you're in woodland MARPAT you can get to with in ~50m of an observer that distance blows out to ~150m if you're in standard multicam Keep in mind standard multicam is an attempt at a pattern that can work in multiple environments - thus it is only a mid-pack performer in a specific environment like desert or woodland - (it was only ever considered very effective in two specific Afghan environments -rocky desert and mountainous - and their direct equivalents). This doesn't mean multicam is crap - it just means the terrane specific patterns will always out perform multicam in their designated environment. PS you have to get genuine kit for the full effect and only wash with soap flakes. PPS Aquanet hairspray, unscented in purple can - can reduce IR response and few horizontal and vertical lines can improve texture. Thanks for the help. What's the most recommend genuine kit distributor for these? |
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Posted: 4/21/2021 2:15:28 AM EDT
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