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Posted: 5/6/2021 8:50:18 PM EDT
Just bought the PVS-27 from a member on another forum and it's in pristine, like new condition. It came in it's factory padded soft case, ARD, Larue QD mount tool, light diffuser wrap, quick reference laminated pamphlets and the owner's manual. Everything is immaculate.
I cant waits to fire her up after dark, tonight. I also have a nice IR Laser/Illuminator coming tomorrow. The device will sit on the Raptar mount shown in the photos. I'll post a few more photos of the complete set-up, this weekend. The USO B25 will be replaced with a shorter optic, which will place the 27's Lens further away from the muzzle. I won't fire the rifle with the 27 until the shorter scope is mounted. If you have any experience, good or bad, with a 27 , I welcome your commentary.   
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Posted: 5/6/2021 10:18:56 PM EDT
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I love my PVS-27s, unbelievable image when used with a huge variety of day optics. It also as a little known secondary function as a bludgeoning tool. I was just banging steel w/ one last week (with bullets, not the bludgeoning feature).
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Posted: 5/6/2021 10:30:38 PM EDT
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The PVS27 is the king of clipon NV. I have used mine up to 12x, and the image is awesome. Even better with a peq15 or a DBAL D2. I have tested with three different rifles and can't measure any POI shift with it installed either. You are gonna love it! You should let us know how your unit performs at 15x and 20x too. I have to live through you until I buy a bigger scope
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Posted: 5/6/2021 10:37:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: I love my PVS-27s, unbelievable image when used with a huge variety of day optics. It also as a little known secondary function as a bludgeoning tool. I was just banging steel w/ one last week (with bullets, not the bludgeoning feature). No kidding. The thing is built like a tank. I’m canceling my gym membership in the morning. I almost popped a hernia carrying it to the back yard for the photo shoot. I turned it on earlier outside and darkness became daylight, with a green hue. Barely turned up the Gain . I freakin love this thing! |
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Posted: 5/6/2021 10:47:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The PVS27 is the king of clipon NV. I have used mine up to 12x, and the image is awesome. Even better with a peq15 or a DBAL D2. I have tested with three different rifles and can't measure any POI shift with it installed either. You are gonna love it! You should let us know how your unit performs at 15x and 20x too. I have to live through you until I buy a bigger scope Copy that. It’s phenomenal. I only had the scope at 5x. The Raptar ES lite should deliver tomorrow. It’s kinda big but it’ll saddle nicely on the mount. Something tells me I’ll be replacing it soon with a Dbal A3. This shit is starting to get expensive. .. |
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Posted: 5/6/2021 11:04:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Copy that. It’s phenomenal. I only had the scope at 5x. The Raptar ES should deliver tomorrow. It’s kinda big but it’ll saddle nicely on the mount. Something tells me I’ll be replacing it soon with a Dbal A3. This shit is starting to get expensive. .. Something that I find to be more fun than you might think is to get the rangefinder set up and zeroed (I use a SWR Radius), then practice ranging safe mock targets over a field and dry firing on them. With the likes of a 6.5 Creedmoor gas gun, this is a pretty horrifying exercise since one starts to realize everything that is easily within range and quickly able to be hit... in the dark. 600+ yards is a decent distance in the daylight, after the sun sets it seems SO MUCH FURTHER. It is hard to describe the phenomenon of night distances seeming to be exaggerated, but I'm not the only one that has experienced this sensation. Also, illuminators are nice, and I have several of them, but you will likely find that the 27 drastically reduces your reliance on them when compared to other CNVDs. Also, pick up a thermal handheld if you are looking for warm-blooded creatures. ETA: And get a silencer (or ten of them) if you don't already have one, thank me later  Welcome to the Dark Side, you bet your ass it is expensive but there is no going back to not having that super power.
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Posted: 5/6/2021 11:15:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something that I find to be more fun than you might think is to get the rangefinder set up and zeroed (I use a SWR Radius), then practice ranging safe mock targets over a field and dry firing on them. With the likes of a 6.5 Creedmoor gas gun, this is a pretty horrifying exercise since one starts to realize everything that is easily within range and quickly able to be hit... in the dark. 600+ yards is a decent distance in the daylight, after the sun sets it seems SO MUCH FURTHER. It is hard to describe the phenomenon of night distances seeming to be exaggerated, but I'm not the only one that has experienced this sensation. Also, illuminators are nice, and I have several of them, but you will likely find that the 27 drastically reduces your reliance on them when compared to other CNVDs. Also, pick up a thermal handheld if you are looking for warm-blooded creatures. Great advice Bro. I appreciate it. The 27 and IR unit will probably provide whore duty as I have a few evil black rifles that I would really enjoy running night drills with. Thermal is dope AF, but I have my heart set on getting a pvs14 set-up, first. Geez, there’s gotta be a place near me where I can go sell sum plasma. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 12:49:30 AM EDT
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I can see the illuminator, but what does a laser do on a clipon, you already have a point of aim?
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Posted: 5/7/2021 4:26:16 AM EDT
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I would not recommend getting the DBAL-A3 for that sweet rig. I’m strictly talking
about the civi version only. It doesn’t have the horsepower for past 100 yards in my experience. Find a full power IR Laser/Illuminator. I’ve even added a Surefire Scout with the IR illumination to my gun that I’m just running an Aimpoint T2 on and it helps but neither will do very much past 100 yards. YMMV |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 8:10:00 AM EDT
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You SOB!
That looks great and you will not be disappointed in the performance. While I have access to 27s, I chose a PVS-22 for my personal unit which mostly sees use on AR platforms.  |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 8:36:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You SOB! That looks great and you will not be disappointed in the performance. While I have access to 27s, I chose a PVS-22 for my personal unit which mostly sees use on AR platforms. https://i.imgur.com/PkHzbQx.jpg Dear baby Jesus and mother of Nazareth! Now That’s how it’s done! If you were a lady I’d marry you. Fahkit, let’s go shopping for furniture. Very nice rig indeed. Seriously. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:26:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can see the illuminator, but what does a laser do on a clipon, you already have a point of aim? IR laser/NODs is the Cat's Meow. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 9:29:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not recommend getting the DBAL-A3 for that sweet rig. I’m strictly talking about the civi version only. It doesn’t have the horsepower for past 100 yards in my experience. Find a full power IR Laser/Illuminator. I’ve even added a Surefire Scout with the IR illumination to my gun that I’m just running an Aimpoint T2 on and it helps but neither will do very much past 100 yards. YMMV Is the A3 really that weak? Sadly, I don't have access to a place that reaches beyond 800 yards. Nice flat terrain, though. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:27:11 AM EDT
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This guy is just beginning his NV experience and this thread is already kicking ass. Nice AI rifle. You'll be happier once you get rid of that B25. Shooting PRS, we see lots of US optics loosing zero. Find a Kahles or Tangent Theta since you're already diving deep into the water.
Keep up the great photos! 
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Posted: 5/7/2021 12:26:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This guy is just beginning his NV experience and this thread is already kicking ass. Nice AI rifle. You'll be happier once you get rid of that B25. Shooting PRS, we see lots of US optics loosing zero. Find a Kahles or Tangent Theta since you're already diving deep into the water. Keep up the great photos! Thanks for the kind words. Just hoping it's not one of those "fools rush in" scenarios. I've had my share of those. Guess I'm one of the lucky ones (so far) as my B25 has consistently maintained zero. The H59 ret floats my skirt, bigly. I've always liked Kahles, although not too crazy bout their rets. At the moment I'm kinda eyeballing a ZCO, but they're very proud of their glass. The TT is just on another level. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 1:43:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the kind words. Just hoping it's not one of those "fools rush in" scenarios. I've had my share of those. Guess I'm one of the lucky ones (so far) as my B25 has consistently maintained zero. The H59 ret floats my skirt, bigly. I've always liked Kahles, although not too crazy bout their rets. At the moment I'm kinda eyeballing a ZCO, but they're very proud of their glass. The TT is just on another level. I'm by no means a day optic snob, not by a long shot. That said, good holdover reticles like the H59 or EBR-2/7 etc make unknown distance long range night shooting much easier than it otherwise would be. Zero your rail-mounted rangefinder parallel to the center so you always have the same laser aiming reference, then hold elevation and wind. I'm not opposed to dialing elevation, but one has to keep in mind that you are also moving the rangefinder's reference point within the reticle when doing so. Simpler is better, especially in the dark. YMMV. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:20:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...That said, good holdover reticles like the H59 or EBR-2/7 etc make unknown distance long range night shooting much easier than it otherwise would be. I concur. I luvs me sum H59. Here are two pics that I took through my B25/PVS27 in complete darkness. I set up the rifle in my garage aiming out to the back fence which is just shy of 25 yards. I placed two boxes of 308 ammo side-by-side on the fence bracing. The 27's gain knob was turned to a low setting, about a 3 if we use a 1 to 10 scale. The first pic was take at 5X the other at 12X. I couldn't get a clean focus on the two boxes of 308 ammo because of the short distance, but I the pics came out ok. The pics were captured using my cell (IPhone 6?) phone and it was a real pain in the arse trying to get a centered eye box picture. Pic1 taken at 5X.  Pic2 taken at 12X 
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Posted: 5/8/2021 11:08:16 AM EDT
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LOS, here is the more "normal" employment of my PVS-22.
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Posted: 5/8/2021 11:39:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWow. Way too cool! That’s gotta be a pleasure to shoot. BTW, what Illuminator is mounted on your AI ? |
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Posted: 5/8/2021 2:10:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. Way too cool! That’s gotta be a pleasure to shoot. BTW, what Illuminator is mounted on your AI ? It is a AN/PEQ-2 which works pretty good. This one came from a Police Department sale upgrading its hardware. No warranty, but a great unit if you can get one that isn't missing government property. For your rig, I would look at a Perst illuminator, don't really need a pointer. It's what I am planning for my AICS .308. |
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Posted: 5/8/2021 2:51:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is a AN/PEQ-2 which works pretty good. This one came from a Police Department sale upgrading its hardware. No warranty, but a great unit if you can get one that isn't missing government property. For your rig, I would look at a Perst illuminator, don't really need a pointer. It's what I am planning for my AICS .308. My Raptar ES Lite came in today. The thing is basically a compact computer, and I’m not good with computers. I’ll test it tonight and make a decision on whether it’s a keeper, or not. The Perst, is that the Russian made illuminator? I’ll go look it up. .. |
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Posted: 5/8/2021 4:48:42 PM EDT
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I use a Luna with surefire adapter from JRH for supplemental illumination with my PVS-27. Mount on the Luna leaves a lot to be desired, but it is cost effective and bright. I also had my civilian A3 with me the other day checking zeros at 200yds and could barely tell when its illuminator was on through the 27 at 200 on a moonless night. The A3 is good to 100yrds in low light and 50yds mixed. Urban sometimes as little as 25ish. I like it and my I2 for SBRs, but would not use it with a clip on.
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Posted: 5/8/2021 5:16:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I use a Luna with surefire adapter from JRH for supplemental illumination with my PVS-27. Mount on the Luna leaves a lot to be desired, but it is cost effective and bright. I also had my civilian A3 with me the other day checking zeros at 200yds and could barely tell when its illuminator was on through the 27 at 200 on a moonless night. The A3 is good to 100yrds in low light and 50yds mixed. Urban sometimes as little as 25ish. I like it and my I2 for SBRs, but would not use it with a clip on. I've seen a lot of good reviews on the Luna and it's pretty inexpensive compared to most illuminators. I'm going to fire up the Raptar tonight just to "see" if it's something I'm going to keep. It sucks that I have a small back yard but at least it'll give me an idea of it's capabilities. |
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Posted: 5/8/2021 5:22:30 PM EDT
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DBAL-D2/SPIR and Luna ELIR-3 (with the filter removed) are good “civilian” options for clip-on use, although the Luna leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to the mount and construction. PERST would likely work pretty well (it’s a FP unit, so not a shock). MAWL-C1+ is ok, although there’s no Illuminator only function. Everything else on the civilian market will be next to useless beyond 75-100 yards.
FP is really the way to go with a clip-on, IMO.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/8/2021 5:24:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've seen a lot of good reviews on the Luna and it's pretty inexpensive compared to most illuminators. I'm going to fire up the Raptar tonight just to "see" if it's something I'm going to keep. It sucks that I have a small back yard but at least it'll give me an idea of it's capabilities. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I use a Luna with surefire adapter from JRH for supplemental illumination with my PVS-27. Mount on the Luna leaves a lot to be desired, but it is cost effective and bright. I also had my civilian A3 with me the other day checking zeros at 200yds and could barely tell when its illuminator was on through the 27 at 200 on a moonless night. The A3 is good to 100yrds in low light and 50yds mixed. Urban sometimes as little as 25ish. I like it and my I2 for SBRs, but would not use it with a clip on. I've seen a lot of good reviews on the Luna and it's pretty inexpensive compared to most illuminators. I'm going to fire up the Raptar tonight just to "see" if it's something I'm going to keep. It sucks that I have a small back yard but at least it'll give me an idea of it's capabilities. I’ve played around with an ES Lite. It’s even more anemic than the DBAL-A3s/ATPIAL-Cs I’ve owned/used. It’s not a good fit at all for illumination with a clip-on. |
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Posted: 5/8/2021 5:29:40 PM EDT
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The Raptar was delivered today so I mounted it and took a few photos. This thing comes with 2 owner's manuals, a mini CD and a booklet. It can be reconfigured and adjusted a million ways. The digital mode display on the back panel can be adjusted for brightness, as well. Here's the current setup as it sits today [subject to change. :)] ..
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Posted: 5/8/2021 5:32:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve played around with an ES Lite. It’s even more anemic than the DBAL-A3s/ATPIAL-Cs I’ve owned/used. It’s not a good fit at all for illumination with a clip-on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I use a Luna with surefire adapter from JRH for supplemental illumination with my PVS-27. Mount on the Luna leaves a lot to be desired, but it is cost effective and bright. I also had my civilian A3 with me the other day checking zeros at 200yds and could barely tell when its illuminator was on through the 27 at 200 on a moonless night. The A3 is good to 100yrds in low light and 50yds mixed. Urban sometimes as little as 25ish. I like it and my I2 for SBRs, but would not use it with a clip on. I've seen a lot of good reviews on the Luna and it's pretty inexpensive compared to most illuminators. I'm going to fire up the Raptar tonight just to "see" if it's something I'm going to keep. It sucks that I have a small back yard but at least it'll give me an idea of it's capabilities. I’ve played around with an ES Lite. It’s even more anemic than the DBAL-A3s/ATPIAL-Cs I’ve owned/used. It’s not a good fit at all for illumination with a clip-on. The reviews are definitely mixed on the ES Lite. But I Gots to Know..! |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 6:47:23 PM EDT
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Here is mine.... I bang away at steel at 300 in the dead dark night with it..
  and the obligitory crappy cell phone pic.   Shot in the dark. and really working on stuff one night..  |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 6:53:59 PM EDT
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@Falconpilot1
I dig it. Love your style. The fity floats my skirt!! |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 7:03:19 PM EDT
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I love mine... Yea its a big and heavy but worth the effort. It holds same POI after taking it on and off.. Mine shoots a Up 0.3 mils and right 0.1 consistantly to rezero with it on... easy math and works the same across all platforms. You will have to shoot and determine your own corrections if you want to really get back to zero... For human size targets, i dont make adjustments....
That video is a 300 yard shot in the dark of dark.... with no additional illumination or ir laser. I was actually shooting around deer that night as they kept walking around the range. Very tempting. |
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Posted: 5/10/2021 7:30:05 PM EDT
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I scored a good deal on a brown Raptar so the black one is for sale in the EE.
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Posted: 7/6/2021 10:53:42 AM EDT
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I mounted the SH4 6-24 MIL on the Spuhr ISMS mount and quickly found out that the Arken will not clear the mount's base enough to obtain a vertical [Ret] position. The Arken has an internal spring cover(?) that protrudes from the base a little too much and it contacts the mount's base which prevents the scope from being turned/adjusted to vertical.
I have a Spuhr #4006 which has an elevation of 1.338". I' think I need 1.5" ring height in order for the scope to clear the mount's base. I suppose the height issue could also be solved by just replacing the Spuhr ISMS mount with traditional rings. Regardless, if any of you folks plan to mount your Arken on a Spuhr ISMS mount, be sure you have a model with at least 1.5" ring height.  
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