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Posted: 5/13/2020 3:04:45 AM EDT
 i have something that looks like this, which pads will work with it? |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 4:50:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2020 5:18:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2020 5:52:59 AM EDT
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 I love these responses, makes me laugh hard.
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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:32:31 AM EDT
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Can’t see pics so I’m gonna take a wild stab in the dark...
If it fits on your head.... And it has or can take hook and loop pads on the interior... You want 4D Tactical pads. Sold by TNVC and a “connected” dude on eBay. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:38:18 AM EDT
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The answer is always 4D. I have them in my Ops bump and FAST ballistic and it is like titties on your head. I saw 4D just came out with new triangle pads that look they will fill gaps better than the standard oval pads.
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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:38:44 AM EDT
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4D pads are the way to go. I have the standard set in my ballistic helmet, and while sufficient I should have gone with the deluxe.
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Posted: 5/13/2020 1:45:47 PM EDT
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4D. It’s like a Tempurpedic mattress for you helmet
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Posted: 5/13/2020 1:51:16 PM EDT
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This thread is relevant to
 Can someone who knows (and hasn't been banned yet  ) please post links to best deals for the following items:- 4D pads - H-harness upgrade Alternative: Links to site-sponsors / good companies to deal with. Thanks!! |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 3:09:09 PM EDT
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Honestly you’re probably better off selling the Chicom helmet and starting fresh. Adding that stuff is gonna be like stuffing a Ferrari motor into a Ford Aspire. I was able to scoop up a slightly used TW Carbon with new 4D pads for $450.
PS. Before I hear grown men bleeding out the ass over buying a Team Wendy, 1st it was used, 2nd yes they suck politically but I don’t give a fuck about your feelings. |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 10:47:00 AM EDT
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Bit of a thread hijack but relevant.
Has anybody used the 4D Tactical HIVE retrofit kits? http://www.4dtactical.com/hive.html The shape of the pads create a lot more edges in strange orientations and it looks like it'd be less comfortable than a deluxe retrofit kit from TNVC (who I can't order from because Canada...) |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 10:59:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CDN_Datawraith: Bit of a thread hijack but relevant. Has anybody used the 4D Tactical HIVE retrofit kits? http://www.4dtactical.com/hive.html The shape of the pads create a lot more edges in strange orientations and it looks like it'd be less comfortable than a deluxe retrofit kit from TNVC (who I can't order from because Canada...) They're so soft and squishy, you'll never feel the edges. I'd buy them if I already didn't have my helmets outfitted with their original offerings. |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 8:36:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: They're so soft and squishy, you'll never feel the edges. I'd buy them if I already didn't have my helmets outfitted with their original offerings. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: Originally Posted By CDN_Datawraith: Bit of a thread hijack but relevant. Has anybody used the 4D Tactical HIVE retrofit kits? http://www.4dtactical.com/hive.html The shape of the pads create a lot more edges in strange orientations and it looks like it'd be less comfortable than a deluxe retrofit kit from TNVC (who I can't order from because Canada...) They're so soft and squishy, you'll never feel the edges. I'd buy them if I already didn't have my helmets outfitted with their original offerings. This. I think I'll try them on my next helmet but the normal oval ones don't leave you lacking. |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 8:51:19 PM EDT
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The 4d deluxe set that tnvc sells is the best pad solution on the market IMO. I'd recommend buying two of the sets so you can stuff your helmet. There are varying opinions on chin strap systems but you can't beat the 4d deluxe pad kit
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Posted: 5/14/2020 10:57:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By texassooner: The 4d deluxe set that tnvc sells is the best pad solution on the market IMO. I'd recommend buying two of the sets so you can stuff your helmet. There are varying opinions on chin strap systems but you can't beat the 4d deluxe pad kit +1 |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 11:23:02 PM EDT
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I got the basic 4d kit and its awesome. was $56 shipped off ebay.
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Posted: 5/15/2020 1:00:17 AM EDT
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do the 4d work with all different helmets?
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Posted: 5/15/2020 1:12:06 AM EDT
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+1 for 4D pads. Got the basic set before I deployed and stuck them in my personal ACH that I took with me. After I got back, I put the 1/2" pads in my FAST ballistic and put the 3/4" in my ACH. I'd order another set for my newly issued TW Exfil ballistic, but I personally feel that the juice isn't worth the squeeze. That is to say, the 4D pads are more comfortable that the pads in the Exfil, but not enough to justify the cost.
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Posted: 5/15/2020 1:37:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: do the 4d work with all different helmets? |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 10:52:44 AM EDT
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They basically have two versions of the pad set (and each version has a regular and deluxe option).
One version is designed to work with the ACH helmet and it has a thicker brow pad. The other version is designed to work with the Ops-core harness and has a thinner brow pad. If you have and Ops-core and your intention is to rip out the harness and install a H-nape (many people do this), you should choose the ACH kit (regular or deluxe). |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 6:02:06 PM EDT
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y'all can't see the pic? it shows up for me... lol
 Attached Fileit's a no-name bump, with real norotos universal shroud and 3m arc rail adapters. I don't really want an ops core, because of the built in shroud, and i want lightweight. Should i get some 4d pads or start fresh with something else? HHV bump? MTEK PTS FLEX bump? TW Bump? (yeah f tw and all, but they do exist... i want the best light bump (for the money lol)... i've had a bunch of helmets for other shit, and the style of bump that i have feels like crap compared to most everything. im sure better pads would be a huge difference but would getting a different style like the HHV, MTEK or TW be an upgrade too? ive had quite a few concussions and am thinking i should upgrade the nods hat. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 6:34:27 PM EDT
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With that helmet...
1. Rip out the harness and pads 2. Buy H-nape on eBay (under $30): https://www.ebay.com/itm/324103567904 3. Buy 4D Tactical (ACH) pads: Under $70: https://www.ebay.com/itm/283868037707 Or from TNVC: Regular ACH https://tnvc.com/shop/4d-tactical-zero-g-standard-retrofit-combat-liner/ Deluxe ACH https://tnvc.com/shop/4d-tactical-zero-g-deluxe-retrofit-combat-liner/ |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 6:52:41 PM EDT
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yeah thanks for the links! I'll definitely do that if i stay with this helmet, but am wondering if i should upgrade to a pts mtek or hhv ate... not a big diff in price, even if i got 4d for the other ones, because theres things on the one i own that i could sell
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Posted: 5/15/2020 6:56:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Click2Boom: yeah thanks for the links! I'll definitely do that if i stay with this helmet, but am wondering if i should upgrade to a pts mtek or hhv ate... not a big diff in price, even if i got 4d for the other ones, because theres things on the one i own that i could sell 95% of bump helmets out there will have the same dial liner and pads as what you listed. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 7:27:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yeah thanks for the links! I'll definitely do that if i stay with this helmet, but am wondering if i should upgrade to a pts mtek or hhv ate... not a big diff in price, even if i got 4d for the other ones, because theres things on the one i own that i could sell |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 10:08:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Click2Boom: yeah thanks for the links! I'll definitely do that if i stay with this helmet, but am wondering if i should upgrade to a pts mtek or hhv ate... not a big diff in price, even if i got 4d for the other ones, because theres things on the one i own that i could sell Just as a personal opinion I absolutely hate my opscore h-nape, I always end up pinching myself on it, which sucks because I really like the leather chin liner. Went back to using the regular Team Wendy 4 point straps that came on my MSA helmet. If you are looking at an l/xl h-nape send me a pm. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 10:20:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tikiman001: Just as a personal opinion I absolutely hate my opscore h-nape, I always end up pinching myself on it, which sucks because I really like the leather chin liner. Went back to using the regular Team Wendy straps that came on the helmet. If you are looking at an l/xl h-nape send me a pm. That may be true but just from my observation over the years, I would estimate end users prefer the H-nape over the dial liner 8-2. TW ‘s cam fit is a different story. Most owners of that system seem to like it. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 10:58:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: That may be true but just from my observation over the years, I would estimate end users prefer the H-nape over the dial liner 8-2. TW ‘s cam fit is a different story. Most owners of that system seem to like it. Edited my post for clarity, I'm not using a dial liner, the Team Wendy I'm using is pretty much identical to the ops core, minus the crappy quick release buckle for the chin strap. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 11:49:05 PM EDT
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Doesn’t appear to be much Velcro in there. Might want to snag some of these while you’re at it. Link
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Posted: 5/16/2020 9:08:54 PM EDT
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Some of those team wendy like Sar tactical and m216 or even exfil ltp, or mtek flux bump seem to go so much lower on the back of the head, like sports/moto helmets.... seems like it would be more stable than fast bump style...
Or are they all equal once you replace suspension? The ops bump style just has a shocking lack of tech |
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Posted: 5/16/2020 9:16:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: That may be true but just from my observation over the years, I would estimate end users prefer the H-nape over the dial liner 8-2. TW ‘s cam fit is a different story. Most owners of that system seem to like it. I just replaced a TW Cam Fit in my ballistic for an Ops H nape. Much more comfortable. I should add that the TW wasn't the original suspension in it as it had a dial liner before that. I tried the Cam Fit on a lark and it just wasn't for me. |
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Posted: 5/16/2020 10:46:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dj1975232: I just replaced a TW Cam Fit in my ballistic for an Ops H nape. Much more comfortable. I should add that the TW wasn't the original suspension in it as it had a dial liner before that. I tried the Cam Fit on a lark and it just wasn't for me. Wow... I haven’t seen many Cam Fit owners ditch them. What specifically was your issue with it? |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 2:50:01 PM EDT
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I didn’t like how the side straps that hug your head felt over top my ears. I know it sounds pedantic or maybe I’m just dumb and didn’t have it adjusted right. It mounted fine and secured the helmet great just annoyed me. This is on one of the Bullet Proof It IIIa helmets from awhile back that came with the knock off Ops dial harness. I don’t mind the Ops dial in my Ops bump but the knockoff was trash. With the full interior lined with 4D pads and the H-nape its feels pretty good.
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Posted: 5/17/2020 3:13:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: Wow... I haven’t see many Cam Fit owners ditch them. What specifically was your issue with it? I had an epic air system with the team Wendy cam fit strap. I ditched it for the 4d/h nape pad and never looked back. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 3:17:02 PM EDT
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Another +1 for 4d pads and hnape. Super comfy on my helmet.
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Posted: 5/17/2020 3:30:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: With that helmet... 1. Rip out the harness and pads 2. Buy H-nape on eBay (under $30): https://www.ebay.com/itm/324103567904 3. Buy 4D Tactical (ACH) pads: Under $70: https://www.ebay.com/itm/283868037707 Or from TNVC: Regular ACH https://tnvc.com/shop/4d-tactical-zero-g-standard-retrofit-combat-liner/ Deluxe ACH https://tnvc.com/shop/4d-tactical-zero-g-deluxe-retrofit-combat-liner/ Thanks!!!! H nape in the way! |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 4:42:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grn_zx6r: Another +1 for 4d pads and hnape. Super comfy on my helmet. Not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet but heavy use of 4D pads may be necessary.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 2:01:09 AM EDT
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You can also buy a revision caiman which is incredibly comfortable out of the box
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Posted: 5/19/2020 1:01:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: That may be true but just from my observation over the years, I would estimate end users prefer the H-nape over the dial liner 8-2. TW ‘s cam fit is a different story. Most owners of that system seem to like it. I don't know what end-users you're talking to, but this does not even remotely reflect my experiences or discussions with end-users of all types. In my experience, there are a limited number of folks for whom no kind of fit-band liner can fit properly, and thus they opt to switch over to H-Nape type suspensions, but the vast vast majority prefer some sort of fit band that can adjust to the head and provide additional stability and comfort during long-time wear... there's a reason that almost all high end helmets have them these days. The TW Cam-Fit can feel more comfortable in casual use/with lighter loads, but the design of the Cam-Fit and BOA are inferior for stability due to greatly reduced surface area--it basically uses a wire inside of a suede boot, instead of a semi-rigid band. And in prolonged use, the suede boot tends to slip leaving you with essentially a piece of piano wire pulling across your temples. Helmet comfort is subjective and personal preference, but design and load bearing/stabilizing properties are not--however if you're going to wear a helmet for a prolonged period of time, you should consider the balance between load stability in long-term wear and immediate comfort, trying on a bare helmet with no accessories for ten minutes is not a good "test." ~Augee |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 3:36:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks!!!! H nape in the way! Quote HistoryQuoted: Originally Posted By PFran42: With that helmet... 1. Rip out the harness and pads 2. Buy H-nape on eBay (under $30): https://www.ebay.com/itm/324103567904 3. Buy 4D Tactical (ACH) pads: Under $70: https://www.ebay.com/itm/283868037707 Or from TNVC: Regular ACH https://tnvc.com/shop/4d-tactical-zero-g-standard-retrofit-combat-liner/ Deluxe ACH https://tnvc.com/shop/4d-tactical-zero-g-deluxe-retrofit-combat-liner/ Thanks!!!! H nape in the way! Got it in yesterday, and installed it. I have a question, though. It's definitely more comfortable, but the dial adjust fit system held the helmet much more securely on my head. Am I doing something wrong? Do I need to go crazy with adding more pads to fill in some of the gaps more? Or is it just kind of the nature of the beast, where it feels more comfortable but unless you have the chin strap snapped it wobbles around more? |
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Posted: 5/26/2020 6:45:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet but heavy use of 4D pads may be necessary. Attached FileNice pics. Thanks! Questions: Did you remove the styrofoam from the forehead area? On the right, I can see the styrofoam under the 4D pads. But I don't see it on the helmet on the left. Is that just the angle of the photo or was it removed leaving ONLY the 4D pads? |
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Posted: 5/26/2020 6:52:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice pics. Thanks! Questions: Did you remove the styrofoam from the forehead area? On the right, I can see the styrofoam under the 4D pads. But I don't see it on the helmet on the left. Is that just the angle of the photo or was it removed leaving ONLY the 4D pads? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet but heavy use of 4D pads may be necessary. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/403917/4D_Pads_jpg-1420506.JPG Nice pics. Thanks! Questions: Did you remove the styrofoam from the forehead area? On the right, I can see the styrofoam under the 4D pads. But I don't see it on the helmet on the left. Is that just the angle of the photo or was it removed leaving ONLY the 4D pads? The ballistic helmet on the left is an ACH setup with an H nape and stand alone pads. The one on the left is a Ops Core bump with the dial liner harness. That one has the styrofoam in front of the brow pad. The Ops 4D kit has a thinner brow pad and the ACH kit has a thicker pad assuming you are using it without a liner. Hope that helps. |
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