I see monocore fuel filters for sale frequently including on gunbroker but have yet to see a completed form 1 utilizing the one. A few form 4 companies make monocore based suppressors that are effective so what gives?

Do people stick with cones because they are known and understood?
Are all of these monos junk?
I have a seen some in stainless which should in theory hold up.

If we are speaking generically, yes, cones are generally better than monocores.

Plus, cones are easier for the form1 maker generally to deal with.

Now if we start talking specific use cases, or makers with the machines, tooling, and knowledge to create anything they want on their own then all bets are off.

Monocores are typically tailored to a specific purpose and, generally speaking, won't beat cones.
The mass produced ones, for the "solvent trap" market, aren't anything to right home about.
Can they work, sure. Can you make something better, absolutely.

I would be interested to know where you got a ti mono?

So did you mill it yourself or ??

Must be nice to have such capabilities available that you can make snarky responses.

Not sure if it is atf fear or jock competitiveness but seems like people relish in not sharing info.

I mean if we are all trying to protect gun rights and advancing civilian silencer use it would seem counterproductive, but wtf do I know.

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I've been building my own silencers for well over a decade. It's taken countless hours and $$ worth of research, design, fabrication, and stamp costs. While I have no problem helping someone design something, I'm not going to just hand over all that knowledge. Especially if their not willing to do a bit of research themselves. Not saying this is you, OP, but I know it's how a lot of us feel.

This is why the liberals keep kicking us in the balls at the polls and everywhere else, because they stick together and get shit done. Meanwhile the conservatives are too busy infighting and being "self reliant" while our country is taken away.

Sorry if I came off a little salty but it is really frustrating and counterproductive to treat this shit like a secret and demand everyone recreate the wheel just cause you had to. It wastes peoples time in the name of feeding your own ego.

How about instead, you as the OP provide us with meaningful questions, that we can then give you direct meaningful answers.

Your basic, generic question got a basic, generic answer.

So what do you want to build?

What tools do you own?

What knowledge/skills do you possess?

Do you have the capability to make a monocore silencer?

This shit's a 2 way street and you're in a tech forum so you might want to stow the GD bullshit, especially aimed at the Mod - just sayin'

You're not the first, and won't be the last, to want everything handed to them. I have no problems pointing you to very specific threads, patents, webpages, etc. However, I expect a little work on your end, more than just asking a question.

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Whining about not being spoonfed everything is a liberal rant and has nothing to do with non-liberal views. Also, not warranted in the tech forum.

Mono cores generally have several down sides.

First round pop was mentioned, although good monocores can mitigate that.

Depending on design and ammo they might require frequent tear down to prevent the core bonding to the tube. For cleaning a big long monocore  that might require a big ultrasonic tank or stainless-pin tumbler. Little cones work nicely with small cleaners. Finally, if damaged the entire core needs to be replaced, usually only by the OEM on commercial builds.  

For Form 1 a replaced monocore by an SOT is expensive. Cutting down tubes to repair tube damage means cutting down the monocore.  

Cones generally give more and cheaper options in design, maintenance, and repair and frankly are a natural fit for tubular geometry and build materials. For the home machinist screwing up a cut on a monocore scraps more material.  If your machining skills suck you will have more material left, less void volume, and a heavier, louder suppressor.  Cones let Form 1 designers mix materials down the stack for tough blast baffles, and lighter distal baffles. Cones are a better fit for tuning spacing, modular designs, machining progressive tapered bore apertures, adding off-bore flow or drainage paths, etc.

His answer may as well have been "from titanium ore", of course I was hoping that I would  get a more a link to a source or at least an explanation of how the ti rod was milled.

Just guessing here, but probably w/ a milling machine. CNC or otherwise...

Thank you for this useful reply, I hadn't considered recoring.

Oh come on now your response was akin to saying "at the store" to someone asking you where you got the beer you were drinking. At best it was a poor attempt at a dad joke.

I stand by my statement that the attitude being displayed by the majority responding is counterproductive and not in the interest of advancomh the community or sense thereof, the level of offense that many of you took to me saying that only proves the point.

To answer the questions I am trying to do research and gather options on building a couple of form 1 silencers and was trying to understand why I don't see people building monos. Somebody aaid they did and i wanted more info on how.

I have basic hand tools at home but my FIL owns a machine shop with an older cnc, presses and a lathe. They also have a friend who built boilers in the navy and is a skilled welder. I am doing the research and planned to build one for him, one for my future son-in-law and one for me, basically a 3 generation group project

As soon as you mentioned fuel filters you got the Gumby-stink on you, LOL.

The Form 1 suppressor world has benefitted from well made dual-use components.  Traditionally people either did their research and machined copies of commercial designs from scratch, or re-purposed common items into crude but cheap and effective hillbilly engineering. With fast eForm 1s and decent pre-cursor parts there are still the ground-up machinists and the quick and easy  “drillers” both building decent hardware, and finally as a third group the Gumbies wasting stamps on Amazon-bait, chinesium “filters”.  Everybody with half a brain hates that ghetto crap because it is being used as a stalking horse for further regulatory restrictions.

Hard to believe, but the NFA world is a lot friendlier and cooperative than it was pre-internet.  Suppressors are the most common, and yet get treated like Gucci purses instead of banal mufflers. The NFA really did an ear and mind fuck on US shooters.

You have 11 posts total including the ones in this thread, it wouldn't be the first time an anti tried to infiltrate and garner comments used to further the anti agenda.

You want to be accepted? Don't come off like a child that needs to be set in his/her place.

Generally, the users who post frequently here have the best interests of all Title2 weapon owners at heart; and as a group will go on defense at the slightest hint of stupid/ass-hat/noob behaviours.

It still continues as you post you want to create silencers for others.

That's great, but you're going to have to become a licensed manufacturer to do so.

And in case it wasn't clear, what's in the best interest and advancement of the community, is not allowing the least common denominators from ruining it for the rest of us.

And this is how one ostracizes himself.

Acting as though you're entitled to other's hard earned knowledge is definitely not the way to glean any of it.  Casting insults and virtue signaling when vague, lazy questions are given broad answers only makes people that much less inclined to help.  A little effort on your part along with some reverence and humility go a long way when you want people to share information.

Machining titanium is well documented and has been done for many decades, buy a book on machining and read it if that is what you want to know about.
If you want to know details about how/why somebody designed what they did then ask a specific question and don't expect them to write a dissertation on it.  
You have to put in some effort.  Nobody worth learning anything from will hold your hand unless you put in some effort - at least ask a specific question.  You asked "how did you do that" and got mad when he told you.

I made two monocores and, while they were ghetto builds, the performance was very poor.  One was a rimfire and wasn't hearing safe on a pistol.  I sent it to Ecco and he put simple cones in it and it is light years better.  The other is 45cal and better than the rimfire, but it still isn't anything to write home about.  
Unless you have a specific need to use a monocore I wouldn't do it.  

There are some Chinese filter monicore videos on YouTube if you search. Rim fire use they work “ok”

One showed it blowing up on .556 mag dumps

It’s cool there are better options nowadays than freeze plugs and pipe.

I remember silenertalk and they did not play as nice as this forum.

I love mono cores but don’t own one as I read the advice here and machined come/cups

I still want an integral mono .22 10/22 though


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