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Nice project, I have something very similar up my sleeve I hope to start working on one day soon. I have always loved mini-14s.
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I like a Mini 14. Never owned one. Only ever fired one. Id like to have one but don't know which series would be better to purchase or how much to pay. Occasionally one will pop up for sale locally. If I were to sell my WASR and 2 SKSs I may look a little harder at them.
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You know they make 20rd straight mags https://i.imgur.com/RSEXNrQ.jpg |
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I think CDNN is a primary source for the straight mags. I have an AR and a mini. I love both, but every time I pick up my mini, I feel like I've been cheating on it with my AR. It just feels better in my hands than my AR.
Nice job, OP. I'm off to look at mini accessories now.... |
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Yes, the company that makes them is called "Original Equipment". They look almost exactly like the original straight 20 round magazines that Ruger made for the 180 series Mini-14 and the popular rumor is that these are done on the same tooling.
I have a 10 round magazine from Original Equipment, and it is well made but.... 1) the right hand feed lip needed some tweaking as it was bent too much; and 2) the follower is a bit weak and the rounds tend to nose dive. So...they might need to tweaking of the feed lips and they benefit from a Ruger magazine follower. |
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I like a Mini 14. Never owned one. Only ever fired one. Id like to have one but don't know which series would be better to purchase or how much to pay. Occasionally one will pop up for sale locally. If I were to sell my WASR and 2 SKSs I may look a little harder at them. View Quote The 180 series was the first and was introduced in 1973 (but I don't think any actually were delivered until 1974) and was in production into 1977. The 180 series used a roller on the bolt, like the M-14, while the 181 series and all subsequent Mini-14s have the M1 Garand style roller-less bolt. The 180 series also had an external bolt stop, and used a wood handguard with a spring steel clip across the top, like the M1 Garand. The 181 series was in fact a major redesign that deleted the roller on the bolt, changed the design of the receiver and bolt stop, and made a number of other detail changes, such as different sling swivels. The early 181 series had a wooden handguard, but it no longer had the Garand style retaining clip, but instead used a U shaped clip on the underside of the handguard. Ruger switched to a larger plastic handguard with a metal heat shield that also covered the operating rod in the middle of 181 series production. The 181 series also saw the introduction of stainless steel Mini-14s. The next major change was with the 187 series, which Ruger called the Ranch Rifle. It was introduced in 1982 to address demand for an easier means to mount a scope. In addition to integral Ruger bases for Ruger rings, the rear sight was reduced to a simple flip up aperture, which is mostly a regular 10/22 barrel mounted rear sight with a stamped steel aperture on it and placed on the rear of the receiver. It's not much of a sight. The changes also included a redesigned bolt stop that also served as the ejector, replacing the plunger style ejector in the bolt that had been used previously. Given the Ruger's normal over gassed condition, these newer rifles throw brass about 20 feet, but also throw it out more to the side so it won't hit a scope. You can however install a smaller gas bushing to slow the slide down and reduce the ejection distance. Production of the Ranch Rifle continued along side the Mini-14 through 2004 and ended with the 197 series. In 2005 Ruger re-tooled and made some significant changes to the design in the process. These new 580 series rifles had tighter tolerances and a winged rear peep sight along with a winged (3-blade) front sight on the end of the barrel. The early 580 series have pencil barrels but at some point in the 580 series production Ruger introduced a heavier tapered barrel. The initial results were spotty but by 2007 or 2008 Ruger had them de-bugged and they have been pretty consistently producing 2 MOA accuracy out of the box, which is good for a stock Mini-14 or Ranch Rifle. The heavier barrel has helped reduce the heat sensitivity which tends to cause vertical stringing in a Mini-14 or Ranch Rifle. Rifling twist was also changed over the years: The first 10,000 or so 180 series rifles have 1-12" twist. The rest of the 180 series through the 184 series, and the early to mid production 185 series all have 1-10" twist The late 185 series and low 186 series rifles have 1-7" twist; and The rest of the 186 series and everything after the 186 series have 1-9" twist. There have been some variations over the years as well: - The "GB" model was an early offering intended to target the law enforcement and military markets and it used a front sight and bayonet lug mounted in the middle of the barrel, and had a flash suppressor that supported the ring in the bayonet. - The AC-556 was a similar selective fire model for police and military use. - The Target Model was introduced in 2007 and was chambered in .223 rather than 5.56mm and had a heavier barrel with a barrel tuner. These tend to be one MOA rifles out of the box, but they didn't stay in production long. - The Tactical model came out in 2009 with a 16" heavy barrel. You can look here to see the various dates when the series numbers changed as well as what series numbers applied to what models (Mini-14, Mini-30, etc). It will also let you place the delivery date within a year or two in most cases. http://ruger.com/service/productHistory.html ------ In terms of desirability, it depends on what you want. The first 1000 or so 180 series Mini -14s were produced in Southport Connecticut and they are desirable because they are rare. The problem is that Ruger no longer supports the 180 series, given that there isn't a high degree of parts compatibility with the rest of the Mini -14s, so if you have one and break something, you've got major problems. Consequently the non-Southport 180s tend to sell for less than the 181-186 series. The "standard" Mini-14s - the 181-186 series (and later but identically configured 196-197 series rifles) are popular with Mini-14 fans who like the earlier look with the sort of Garand/M14 looking rear sight, and the non scope based receiver. The 187-188 and 195-197 series Ranch Rifles are more popular with people who want to put a scope on one. The 580-583 series with the heavier tapered barrels are regarded as being more accurate out of the box. But as noted in the previous post, you can get the pencil barrel Mini 14s and Ranch Rifles to shoot in the 1.5-2.0 MOA with a few modifications. Fair market value for one in excellent condition will range from $500 to $650. You'll find a few bargains for down into the $450 range now and then, but I would not pay more than $650 for a used Mini 14, given that you can get a new one starting for around $730, and you can still find some old stock Target models for around $700. The exception here of course is if you really like the early 181-186 Mini 14s, then it's worth what ever you think it's worth to you. The new Tactical models seem to sell for around $800. |
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I have a photo folder into which I save pics of exceptionally cool guns. That pic of your Mini-M14 is now copied and saved!
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That is a neat looking rifle. I've got an old blue one that would definitely benefit from the same mods. Good job!
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Always got a kick out of the Ruger full page ad "World's Most Expensive Plinker".
My first one was like $150 bucks plus part of the shipping and $5 dealer fee. The home based dealer bought 6 of them and spread the cost out. This was back when you could find 10/22's for $59. Remington 788's with 4X Tasco Scope for less than a C note! It would shoot about 3 MOA some Sierra 55gr HPBT handloads with open sights. With PMC ball, it was worse. Then got an SK scope mount that was sort of an abortion. Finally had receiver drilled and tapped and made it a solid proposition. Then the gun would do about 2 MOA with 4X Leupold. It would chuck the brass! The range had tall grass around benches! Ah the good old days! |
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After seeing your rifle, I kinda want one. For some reason lately, I really dig the idea of an under the radar rifle. This looks like it should meet my requirement. Does it matter which series mini I use as a starting point?
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After seeing your rifle, I kinda want one. For some reason lately, I really dig the idea of an under the radar rifle. This looks like it should meet my requirement. Does it matter which series mini I use as a starting point? Joe View Quote |
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Full disclosure leads me to admit that most all the Ruger rifles I have laid hands on were disappointing performers and I am jaded .
I guess the OP is having fun and enjoying his project but it sure seems to be a whole lot of effort and likely some expense without great promise |
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It's a pretty gun, though. Slap a 5 round flush-fit mag in there and the liberals don't even know it's a semi-auto.
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Full disclosure leads me to admit that most all the Ruger rifles I have laid hands on were disappointing performers and I am jaded . I guess the OP is having fun and enjoying his project but it sure seems to be a whole lot of effort and likely some expense without great promise View Quote Still, I like the older Min-14s and whether it's a waste of money depends what you consider to be promising. I have a bunch of AR-15s and a variety of other black rifles, and with the exception of my Varmint and Match AR-15s, my Mini-14s are more accurate. My Colt SP1 and an M16A1 clone built with a department surplus M16A1 upper shoot 1.5 MOA with Hornady 55 gr FMJs, while these reworked mini 14s will shoot 1 1/4 MOA. Now, that's not the 1/2 MOA accuracy I get with match bullets in my Varmint an Match ARs, but it's superb for a light, handy rifle or carbine intended for field use. Plus, there's a subjective side to it - the Mini 14 has excellent balance, points very well and is just a joy to shoot. And I prefer blued steel and walnut furniture. I can choose between a number of semi-auto centerfire rifles and carbines (several AR-15s and AR-9s, an AR-180 and an AR-180B, a Galil, an SKS, an L1A1, a PSL, a Tantal, an M1 Garand, an M1 Carbine, an Uzi Carbine, and probably one or two others I've probably forgotten about), yet my Mini-14s get more range time. |
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It's a pretty gun, though. Slap a 5 round flush-fit mag in there and the liberals don't even know it's a semi-auto. View Quote I've had some of the average ignorant anti-gunner folks tell me that my Mini-14 is just fine for shooters to own, but not my Colt SP1, even though the have the same magazine capacity. And in fact the Mini-14 is on the exempt list in the current proposed ban legislation (HR 5087), provided it does not have a folding stock. Bill Ruger had his faults but Ruger is still benefitting from his politics. I wonder what the anti-gunners would say if I showed them that a Mini-14 can be converted to a binary trigger by inserting a normal household staple? |
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Lol. I shot a Ruger Mini-14 compatible magazine in my AR today - an old Ram-Line that was supposed to fit - and feed AR-15s, Mini-14s, & the AR-180. I can confirm it feeds the AR-15, albeit if the BCG is bone dry, you may have some jams @ the bottom of the mag.
If anyone would like to try it in their Mini-14 or AR-180 and report back, shoot me a PM. |
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I had a mini 30 that was chopped to 14.5" and a choate flash hider front sight combo to bring it up to 16-1/8" It looked like a mini M14 SOCOM. It shot really well, but the mags at the time were crap. The only gun I ever regret selling off.
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