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Posted: 9/19/2018 12:57:41 PM EDT
The new Midwest Industries top rail which was designed for the Steyr Arms law enforcement division is now available to everyone.
This replacement rail provides forward mounting locations for accessories such as lights or lasers. This rail does not prevent barrel removal for field stripping and does not impede use or folding of the vertical grip. https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/MI-Steyr-AUG-A3 
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Posted: 9/19/2018 2:52:58 PM EDT
[#1]
Hope this isn't a silly question, but are the two round holes on the top of the rail QD sling swivel sockets or are they on the left side of the rail?
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Posted: 9/19/2018 3:03:29 PM EDT
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They are anti rotation QD sockets. They are cut to orientate the swivel at a 45 degree angle to better position the sling. There are two so you have your choice of where you would want to locate the sling . You can also attach a sling to a M Lok slot if desired also . We were given specific parameters on swivel location in order to keep the charging handle are clear .
thanks Troy MI |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 3:12:47 PM EDT
[#3]
Was there any thought given to making the lightening cuts all the way through to reduce weight and allow for better heat dissipation?
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Posted: 9/19/2018 8:29:18 PM EDT
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Was there any thought given to making the lightening cuts all the way through to reduce weight and allow for better heat dissipation? Troy MI |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 10:41:55 PM EDT
[#5]
Looks great. Have a picture of it mounted on an AUG?
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Posted: 9/19/2018 11:26:40 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
They are anti rotation QD sockets. They are cut to orientate the swivel at a 45 degree angle to better position the sling. There are two so you have your choice of where you would want to locate the sling . You can also attach a sling to a M Lok slot if desired also . We were given specific parameters on swivel location in order to keep the charging handle are clear . thanks Troy MI |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 1:17:07 AM EDT
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Looks great. Have a picture of it mounted on an AUG? |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 3:20:03 AM EDT
[#8]
The EMP looks great, very aesthetically pleasing.
Are there any plans to offer a longer version in the future that extends the rail all the way to the ejection port for use with short eye relief optics / backup iron sights? |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:58:55 AM EDT
[#9]
These were designed and built to meet a list of requirements. One of the biggest things was not to negatively effect any of the standard features like the QD barrel or the vertical grip. Another thing was not to block the charging handle . We had to add location for lights and IR lasers to be mounted and used. The Aug in its current form was very challenging to make a part like this. This part may not address absolutely everything a person can come up with but It is a very good starting place and a very effective addition to greatly enhance the current platform.
TROY MI |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:47:31 AM EDT
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These were designed and built to meet a list of requirements. One of the biggest things was not to negatively effect any of the standard features like the QD barrel or the vertical grip. Another thing was not to block the charging handle . We had to add location for lights and IR lasers to be mounted and used. The Aug in its current form was very challenging to make a part like this. This part may not address absolutely everything a person can come up with but It is a very good starting place and a very effective addition to greatly enhance the current platform. TROY MI But, with this as the start, could it finish by extending the rail to the ejection port? That would basically be perfect and then the platform is "solved" once and for all. It certainly doesn't impact the barrel change or vertical foregrip by extending the rail a few more inches to the rear. To give a brief history of the AUG rail system, this was the original rail: 
Users complained for years that this rail did not extend far enough back. Responding to consumer demand, Corvus Defensio and PJ/Steyr released an updated "long rail" at basically the same time ~1.5 years ago. This solved the rail length problem. http://soldiersystems.net/2017/02/22/spartanat-new-by-corvus-defensio-m1-receiver-rail/ https://steyrarms.com/accessories/aug/extended-rail.html The last problem to be solved was the convenient mounting of Lights and Lasers. The MI EMP solves this issue beautifully. The problem is that in the process, it re-introduces the problem of the rail not extending to the ejection port - a problem that Steyr/PJ/Corvus had just gotten around to fixing last year with much fanfare. Hence why I keep harping on this. You are basically 2-3" of rail away from solving the Steyr AUG once and for all. Once this is done, we can all rest, rejoice, and reload. But until then the AUG remains unsolved. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 8:42:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:36:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:06:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, this is a very good starting place. But, with this as the start, could it finish by extending the rail to the ejection port? That would basically be perfect and then the platform is "solved" once and for all. It certainly doesn't impact the barrel change or vertical foregrip by extending the rail a few more inches to the rear. To give a brief history of the AUG rail system, this was the original rail: https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/prodimages/45783-DEFAULT-l.jpg Users complained for years that this rail did not extend far enough back. Responding to consumer demand, Corvus Defensio and PJ/Steyr released an updated "long rail" at basically the same time ~1.5 years ago. This solved the rail length problem. http://soldiersystems.net/2017/02/22/spartanat-new-by-corvus-defensio-m1-receiver-rail/ https://steyrarms.com/accessories/aug/extended-rail.html The last problem to be solved was the convenient mounting of Lights and Lasers. The MI EMP solves this issue beautifully. The problem is that in the process, it re-introduces the problem of the rail not extending to the ejection port - a problem that Steyr/PJ/Corvus had just gotten around to fixing last year with much fanfare. Hence why I keep harping on this. You are basically 2-3" of rail away from solving the Steyr AUG once and for all. Once this is done, we can all rest, rejoice, and reload. But until then the AUG remains unsolved. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:03:34 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Spyderco makes a convincing argument and I agree with him. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:21:22 PM EDT
[#15]
I *think* this is only for A3 M1...is that correct? In the pics it's an M1 but at the bottom of the webpage it says "COMPATIBILITY NOTES: ONLY COMPATIBLE WITH STYER AUG A3".
I have an A3 so now I'm 
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Posted: 9/21/2018 11:27:03 AM EDT
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Spyderco makes a convincing argument and I agree with him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I agree, this is a very good starting place. But, with this as the start, could it finish by extending the rail to the ejection port? That would basically be perfect and then the platform is "solved" once and for all. It certainly doesn't impact the barrel change or vertical foregrip by extending the rail a few more inches to the rear. To give a brief history of the AUG rail system, this was the original rail: https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/prodimages/45783-DEFAULT-l.jpg Users complained for years that this rail did not extend far enough back. Responding to consumer demand, Corvus Defensio and PJ/Steyr released an updated "long rail" at basically the same time ~1.5 years ago. This solved the rail length problem. http://soldiersystems.net/2017/02/22/spartanat-new-by-corvus-defensio-m1-receiver-rail/ https://steyrarms.com/accessories/aug/extended-rail.html The last problem to be solved was the convenient mounting of Lights and Lasers. The MI EMP solves this issue beautifully. The problem is that in the process, it re-introduces the problem of the rail not extending to the ejection port - a problem that Steyr/PJ/Corvus had just gotten around to fixing last year with much fanfare. Hence why I keep harping on this. You are basically 2-3" of rail away from solving the Steyr AUG once and for all. Once this is done, we can all rest, rejoice, and reload. But until then the AUG remains unsolved. |
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Posted: 9/22/2018 8:11:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: +1, I'd be replacing my PJ's rail with this if it did. |
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Posted: 9/22/2018 10:24:02 PM EDT
[#18]
Looks good. If I had a m1 and didn't want buis or an acog I'd be all over it. So +1 on the extended length.
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Posted: 9/24/2018 3:57:54 PM EDT
[#19]
Great looking rail that would look better just a tad extended back as everyone else has been saying.
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Posted: 9/24/2018 6:47:28 PM EDT
[#20]
@midwest_ind is this only for the aug a3 m1 or will it work on a3?
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Posted: 9/24/2018 7:57:23 PM EDT
[#21]
I suck at photoshop, so here is a terrible drawing to show where the rail should ideally extend to:
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Posted: 9/24/2018 8:27:59 PM EDT
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I suck at photoshop, so here is a terrible drawing to show where the rail should ideally extend to: https://preview.ibb.co/j6VSBp/AUG_MI_Rail_edit_2.jpg 
What you're trying to show would be excellent if MI would make it. As is, I have no need or desire for their rail, if it were longer like most of us have brought up then I'd buy one. |
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Posted: 9/24/2018 9:56:10 PM EDT
[#23]
Is it just for sling mounts and optics that we want it further rearward?
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Posted: 9/24/2018 10:32:51 PM EDT
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Is it just for sling mounts and optics that we want it further rearward? The rearward rail is for use with short eye relief optics (ACOG's), as well as to allow room for backup iron sights, red dot magnifiers, and thermal/night vision devices. This is the rail position found in the AUG A3 military rail, the rail on the Tavor and Thales F90, and the aftermarket rails by Corvus, Gear Head Works, Suarez, and PJ/Steyr. 
But, if you're going to use a 1-6x optic, or a red dot without backup irons, it should work fine. Basically, its a good rail system, but would have been the best rail system in the world for the AUG had it extended to the ejection port. |
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Posted: 9/24/2018 11:05:36 PM EDT
[#25]
Hmmm. My Acog Ta33 has a decent eye relief so seems to be fine with just the normal A3 rail.
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Posted: 9/24/2018 11:07:41 PM EDT
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Front is ok - totally missed opportunity on the rear. What is with all these super short rails or upswept (quasi-msar type) only slightly longer rails?
We want A3, Corvus & Pete’s rear length top rails. & have them flush up against the stock or angled down like the A3 - not levered upwards. |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 12:03:25 AM EDT
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Even the short eye relief ACOGs don't need slots all the way to the ejection port
Of you're running an rds or optic with normal eye relief, a long rail isn't a requirement |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 3:39:12 AM EDT
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Even the short eye relief ACOGs don't need slots all the way to the ejection port http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Corvus-Defensio-M1-2.jpg Of you're running an rds or optic with normal eye relief, a long rail isn't a requirement |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 4:59:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you took your example picture & put that ACOG in same exact spot on the short rail (not the shortest rail that ends the beginning of the stock) as on spydercomonkey’s pictured example the sight mount would be hanging off the back. Depending on what ACOG mount you are using the mount might not even be fully on the rail...[color=#ff0000] But your example is besides the point as most users would like the extra space for other items like buis, catchers, magnifiers, NV... whatever. QFT.
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Posted: 9/25/2018 8:17:12 AM EDT
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Even the short eye relief ACOGs don't need slots all the way to the ejection port http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Corvus-Defensio-M1-2.jpg Of you're running an rds or optic with normal eye relief, a long rail isn't a requirement |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 8:36:09 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You couldn't mount the ACOG that far back on the MI rail from the look of it. Troy MI |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 1:35:56 PM EDT
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We have mounted standard and mini Acog with zero issues for eye relief. Troy MI Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You couldn't mount the ACOG that far back on the MI rail from the look of it. Troy MI |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 4:12:35 PM EDT
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I can see the desire for a longer rail - My favorite is my A3, the M1s are nice but with less rail real estate I can't do as much with them.
With that said I'm glad this product is available and eventually I'll probably get one. |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 7:41:56 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We have mounted standard and mini Acog with zero issues for eye relief. Troy MI |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 9:03:51 PM EDT
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I suck at photoshop, so here is a terrible drawing to show where the rail should ideally extend to: https://preview.ibb.co/j6VSBp/AUG_MI_Rail_edit_2.jpg 
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Posted: 9/25/2018 9:18:30 PM EDT
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You mean like the old Suarez International Rail: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/IMG_4447.jpg Just to the front of the ejection port, like the Corvus, A3, PJ/Steyr rail, like this: 
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Posted: 11/30/2018 9:53:54 PM EDT
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Actually a question about the Suarez Rail... What prevents someone from attaching a Brass deflector to that rail that hangs down from the back of that rail? I like the extra length of that rail as it gives you a repeatable point of contact somewhat like the charging handle does for some on an M4.
Although I currently don't own an AUG, I would have to agree with others that the MI rail should go back at least to the front of the ejection port. |
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Posted: 11/30/2018 11:25:49 PM EDT
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Actually a question about the Suarez Rail... What prevents someone from attaching a Brass deflector to that rail that hangs down from the back of that rail? I like the extra length of that rail as it gives you a repeatable point of contact somewhat like the charging handle does for some on an M4. Although I currently don't own an AUG, I would have to agree with others that the MI rail should go back at least to the front of the ejection port. |
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Posted: 12/1/2018 10:35:19 PM EDT
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That's part of the design of the Suarez rail. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually a question about the Suarez Rail... What prevents someone from attaching a Brass deflector to that rail that hangs down from the back of that rail? I like the extra length of that rail as it gives you a repeatable point of contact somewhat like the charging handle does for some on an M4. Although I currently don't own an AUG, I would have to agree with others that the MI rail should go back at least to the front of the ejection port. For the A3 platform, the Suarez rail was a really great design. |
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