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Posted: 2/27/2023 5:28:24 PM EDT
I'm considering buying a gun store. It has a smith on site, but no room for machine tools. I have a CNC mill, manual mill, and lathe at my house. If I was the FFL holder, would I be able to bring customers guns to my shop off site to work on them?
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Posted: 2/27/2023 5:48:21 PM EDT
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Yes you can
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Posted: 2/27/2023 6:49:57 PM EDT
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Do you need to be present all the time, or sign things out, or have your machine shop as a location?
Do you need to be the one doing the work using tools you paid for? (Thinking about 80% lower manufacturing parties) |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 10:11:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DogtownTom]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ctfish15: Do you need to be present all the time, or sign things out, or have your machine shop as a location? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ctfish15: Do you need to be present all the time, or sign things out, or have your machine shop as a location? No ATF reg requires you to be present all the time. You damn well better have recordkeeping practices that show what firearms are in your possession and at your licensed premises. If you want to see customers at your machine shop as a second location, it will need its own FFL. Do you need to be the one doing the work using tools you paid for? (Thinking about 80% lower manufacturing parties) You should think twice.  https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ruling/2015-1-manufacturing-and-gunsmithing/download |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 11:45:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MHIDPA: I'm considering buying a gun store. It has a smith on site, but no room for machine tools. I have a CNC mill, manual mill, and lathe at my house. If I was the FFL holder, would I be able to bring customers guns to my shop off site to work on them? Yes, if the home shop site has its own FFL. I would also get an 07/C2 and do more than just gunsmithing there. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 2:11:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: No ATF reg requires you to be present all the time. You damn well better have recordkeeping practices that show what firearms are in your possession and at your licensed premises. If you want to see customers at your machine shop as a second location, it will need its own FFL. You should think twice. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ruling/2015-1-manufacturing-and-gunsmithing/download Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: Originally Posted By ctfish15: Do you need to be present all the time, or sign things out, or have your machine shop as a location? No ATF reg requires you to be present all the time. You damn well better have recordkeeping practices that show what firearms are in your possession and at your licensed premises. If you want to see customers at your machine shop as a second location, it will need its own FFL. Do you need to be the one doing the work using tools you paid for? (Thinking about 80% lower manufacturing parties) You should think twice. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ruling/2015-1-manufacturing-and-gunsmithing/download Right, so anyone involved is a manufacturer and needs to be licensed, as I read it |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 4:34:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RenegadeX]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ctfish15: Right, so anyone involved is a manufacturer and needs to be licensed, as I read it No only the business must have a license. And as a licensee, they must mark and keep records accordingly. And that ruling pre-dates the PMF ruling, so there is that to deal with now too. Held further, a business (including an association or society) may not avoid the manufacturing license, marking, and recordkeeping requirements of the GCA by allowing persons to perform manufacturing processes on blanks or incomplete firearms (including frames or receivers) using machinery, tools, or equipment under its dominion and control where that business controls access to, and use of, such machinery, tools, or equipment. |
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