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Posted: 8/19/2018 7:03:09 PM EDT

I have a few questions regarding the proper completion of a Form 1 with regards to a M203. I recently purchased one of the DSArms M203 receivers, no barrel.

1. Item 4a Name and Address of original Manufacturer
The receiver is marked DSArms Elk Grove Village, IL
However their actual address is 27W990 Industrial Ave, Lake Barrington, IL 60010
Which do I use?

2. Item 4f Overall Length
Is this the overall length of the M203 by its self?
or the length of firearm its mounted to, in this case a AR15-A2?

Posted: 8/19/2018 7:22:57 PM EDT

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I have a few questions regarding the proper completion of a Form 1 with regards to a M203. I recently purchased one of the DSArms M203 receivers, no barrel.

1. Item 4a Name and Address of original Manufacturer
The receiver is marked DSArms Elk Grove Village, IL
However their actual address is 27W990 Industrial Ave, Lake Barrington, IL 60010
Which do I use?

2. Item 4f Overall Length
Is this the overall length of the M203 by its self?
or the length of firearm its mounted to, in this case a AR15-A2?

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sorry i wish i could help but that's not the case..i have a question..can you use the civilian version of the M203 dir anything other than flares? could it shoot a 40mm grenade of it was legal?

Posted: 8/19/2018 10:12:34 PM EDT

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sorry i wish i could help but that's not the case..i have a question..can you use the civilian version of the M203 dir anything other than flares? could it shoot a 40mm grenade of it was legal?

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I believe it is possible to own real greanades. Each grenade would require a $200 tax stamp, and would need to be properly stored,
I'm assuming lots of other fees and restrictions.

The real problem is trying to find a heavy munitions manufactuerer that would sell a 40mm HE grenade to a civilian. I'll save you some time, there are none.

If you're good with chemistry You could probably make one yourself but would want to be a FFL with manufacturing SOT to play it safe on the legal side. Honestly it's not worth the risk to your safety.

If you want to shoot a 40mm grenade that goes "boom" make or buy bird bombs, there are some youtube videos that show you how. They don't blow up on impact, they use a fuse, but they are still pretty cool.

Posted: 8/20/2018 10:53:26 AM EDT

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I have a few questions regarding the proper completion of a Form 1 with regards to a M203. I recently purchased one of the DSArms M203 receivers, no barrel.

1. Item 4a Name and Address of original Manufacturer
The receiver is marked DSArms Elk Grove Village, IL
However their actual address is 27W990 Industrial Ave, Lake Barrington, IL 60010
Which do I use?

2. Item 4f Overall Length
Is this the overall length of the M203 by its self?
or the length of firearm its mounted to, in this case a AR15-A2?

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I'm doing my Form 1 also. I put the Elk Grove Village address on the form as that is what is printed on the receiver. I put 12" for the barrel length as that's the barrel length I plan to buy. For the overall length I put 15" (a 9" barrel therefore would be 12"). I came up with 15" as follows: the overall length of the receiver is 11-3/4". The distance from the surface that the cartridge will rest to the end of the receiver is 8-3/4". 12" minus 8-3/4" leaves 3-1/4". 3-1/4" plus 11-3/4" equals 15".

Posted: 8/20/2018 1:11:34 PM EDT

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I believe it is possible to own real greanades. Each grenade would require a $200 tax stamp, and would need to be properly stored,
I'm assuming lots of other fees and restrictions.

The real problem is trying to find a heavy munitions manufactuerer that would sell a 40mm HE grenade to a civilian. I'll save you some time, there are none.

If you're good with chemistry You could probably make one yourself but would want to be a FFL with manufacturing SOT to play it safe on the legal side. Honestly it's not worth the risk to your safety.

If you want to shoot a 40mm grenade that goes "boom" make or buy bird bombs, there are some youtube videos that show you how. They don't blow up on impact, they use a fuse, but they are still pretty cool.

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ok wow, thanks for the explaination ;)

Posted: 8/20/2018 1:18:00 PM EDT

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sorry i wish i could help but that's not the case..i have a question..can you use the civilian version of the M203 dir anything other than flares? could it shoot a 40mm grenade of it was legal?

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I have a few questions regarding the proper completion of a Form 1 with regards to a M203. I recently purchased one of the DSArms M203 receivers, no barrel.

1. Item 4a Name and Address of original Manufacturer
The receiver is marked DSArms Elk Grove Village, IL
However their actual address is 27W990 Industrial Ave, Lake Barrington, IL 60010
Which do I use?

2. Item 4f Overall Length
Is this the overall length of the M203 by its self?
or the length of firearm its mounted to, in this case a AR15-A2?

sorry i wish i could help but that's not the case..i have a question..can you use the civilian version of the M203 dir anything other than flares? could it shoot a 40mm grenade of it was legal?

The .22lr beehive rounds are interesting and probably the least expensive anti personnel type round you can shoot. There are also 40mm buckshot rounds, but the beehive rounds accomplish basically the same thing.

Posted: 8/20/2018 1:55:02 PM EDT

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I keep meaning to pickup a beehive for my LMT m203. Anybody still making these? Only the best has one for stupid money still i think.

Posted: 8/20/2018 2:02:40 PM EDT

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I put the Elk Grove Village address on the form as that is what is printed on the receiver. I put 12" for the barrel length as that's the barrel length I plan to buy. For the overall length I put 15" (a 9" barrel therefore would be 12").

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This.

The complete address is:
DS Arms Inc
985 Lively BLVD
Elk Grove Village, IL 60007

That's the address on their Type 10 FFL.

Posted: 8/20/2018 2:18:30 PM EDT

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If you're good with chemistry You could probably make one yourself but would want to be a FFL with manufacturing SOT to play it safe on the legal side.

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No FFL/SOT required. That's for business use. If you want to make some DD explosives for personal use, just submit Form 1 with $200 per HE round and wait for approval to make them. You'll need to meet storage requirements in order to store them (approved magazine). I'm not sure what triggers FEL requirements. I think you cannot transport for personal use without at least a Federal explosives permit. You'd also have to comply with state/local laws of course.

Posted: 8/20/2018 9:02:02 PM EDT

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This.

The complete address is:
DS Arms Inc
985 Lively BLVD
Elk Grove Village, IL 60007

That's the address on their Type 10 FFL.

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Where did you find that address? Is that what you used for a form 1?

Posted: 8/20/2018 10:29:01 PM EDT

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Where did you find that address? Is that what you used for a form 1?

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That's the same address I sent you in an IM, along with the link to the ATF listing

You can search for an FFL on the ATF site. DSA has multiple licenses. The type 10 is what you want. For some reason they have different addresses for other license types.

Posted: 8/20/2018 10:34:56 PM EDT

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A discussion of a DSA M203 & the op failed!

Where are the pictures man, Pictures?

Posted: 8/20/2018 10:37:28 PM EDT

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https://fflezcheck.atf.gov/fflezcheck/fflSearch.do

Damn, link failed. F the ATF

Go to this link:
https://fflezcheck.atf.gov/fflezcheck/

And enter this:
3
36
02009

In the three fields that are open

For filling out the form one enter it exactly as shown: DS ARMS INC

No period after inc

Posted: 8/20/2018 10:47:03 PM EDT

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A discussion of a DSA M203 & the op failed!

Where are the pictures man, Pictures?

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Honestly, they don't look like much till there's a barrel attached

Posted: 8/20/2018 10:59:02 PM EDT

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Honestly, they don't look like much till there's a barrel attached

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A discussion of a DSA M203 & the op failed!

Where are the pictures man, Pictures?

Honestly, they don't look like much till there's a barrel attached

I know but everyone like pictures!

Posted: 8/20/2018 11:16:06 PM EDT

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I know but everyone like pictures!

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A discussion of a DSA M203 & the op failed!

Where are the pictures man, Pictures?

Honestly, they don't look like much till there's a barrel attached

I know but everyone like pictures!

Posted: 8/21/2018 12:33:37 AM EDT

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sorry i wish i could help but that's not the case..i have a question..can you use the civilian version of the M203 dir anything other than flares? could it shoot a 40mm grenade of it was legal?

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The civilian version and military version are functionally identical

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