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Posted: 4/22/2022 2:11:16 PM EDT
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I've seen data for 4064 out of that list. Might want to re ask in the reloading forum, or check the cmp forum. If you can get imr-4895 that works well for what you want to do.
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Posted: 4/22/2022 4:28:39 PM EDT
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https://www.handloadermagazine.com/m1-garand-handloads
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Posted: 4/22/2022 6:04:49 PM EDT
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Use the RL15 or 4064. Not sure about the 8208, it likely is good, 4350 is too slow. Fine for a bolt gun but not normally a Garand powder.
Looking at those Handloader magazine article loads you could easily drop a grain or two for a more pleasant load. 47 grains of H4895 or IMR 4895 was my got to. Our club shoots were 200 yard walk and paste type. Didn’t need full military power to poke holes in paper. |
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Posted: 4/22/2022 11:07:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: I have a M1 I have never shot. Was my wife's grandfathers. I currently can not find any M1 spec 30-06 ammo locally. I have on hand some 30cal 150gr Hornady interlock bullets, plenty of commercial 06 brass and a few different powders. RL15, accurate 4064, H4350, 8208 xbr. Does anyone have any load data to make up some M1 safe ammo where I could use what I have on hand? Everything out there I can find for load data uses powders I don't currently have. Not terribly concerned with accuracy, just don't want to hurt the rifle or myself for that matter. |
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Posted: 4/22/2022 11:12:32 PM EDT
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47.0 grains of ANY medium-burning rifle powder always works great with a 150 in the Garand.
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Posted: 4/22/2022 11:32:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2022 11:37:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2022 11:47:58 PM EDT
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A4064 will do fine at 47-48 gr.
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Posted: 4/24/2022 10:27:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A4064 will do fine at 47-48 gr. As will Varget, ... and it’s more humidity and temperature resistant than other propellants. That’s why it’s the first choice of serious M1 Match shooters these day. Hornady’s Service Rifle Load Book is packed with Varget data for the AR, M1A, and Garand rifles. |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 6:09:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hornady's Service Rifle Load Book is packed with Varget data for the AR, M1A, and Garand rifles. Hornady data is very anemic. |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 7:46:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the first load book I throw away. Hornady data is very anemic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hornady's Service Rifle Load Book is packed with Varget data for the AR, M1A, and Garand rifles. Hornady data is very anemic. Maybe “anemic” in their recommended dosages. My point was that Varget figures prominently among the propellants listed for their Service Rifle loads. I agree that Hornady’s data is on the very conservative side. Fortunately it’s easy to increase the powder charge. 
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Posted: 5/30/2022 1:47:21 PM EDT
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UPDATE.....
So I finally got some ammo loaded up and took the M1 out today on this Memorial Day. I loaded 48gr of Accurate 4064 in Hornday and Winchester brass. Used the 150gr Hornady Interlock, seated to 3.210". Shot decent enough from an improvised rest at 60 yards. The rims of some of the cases were a little chewed up. Is that normal for ejectors on M1s? Also, the ejection pattern wasn't very consistent. Sometimes it would throw the cases 10ft to my 2 o'clock, others right at my feet. Does any of this sound like there could be an issue with pressure? Last thing I want to do is damage this rifle. The cases themselves do not show any pressure signs. |
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Posted: 5/30/2022 2:05:48 PM EDT
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That charge is fine. M1’s can chew on cases.
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Posted: 5/30/2022 3:12:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: UPDATE..... So I finally got some ammo loaded up and took the M1 out today on this Memorial Day. I loaded 48gr of Accurate 4064 in Hornday and Winchester brass. Used the 150gr Hornady Interlock, seated to 3.210". Shot decent enough from an improvised rest at 60 yards. The rims of some of the cases were a little chewed up. Is that normal for ejectors on M1s? Also, the ejection pattern wasn't very consistent. Sometimes it would throw the cases 10ft to my 2 o'clock, others right at my feet. Does any of this sound like there could be an issue with pressure? Last thing I want to do is damage this rifle. The cases themselves do not show any pressure signs. Sounds like not properly greased (not oiled) The extractor sounds gummed up and needs cleaning. Also the chamber. Just depends...are the rims bent in or out? Pull your oprod spring and measure the length. A properly working garand doesn't chew up the brass or beat it up. See... minimal damage to the cases...  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/30/2022 9:18:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have a few things going on there. The ammo isn't one of them. Sounds like not properly greased (not oiled) The extractor sounds gummed up and needs cleaning. Also the chamber. Just depends...are the rims bent in or out? Pull your oprod spring and measure the length. A properly working garand doesn't chew up the brass or beat it up. See... minimal damage to the cases...https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51024/120039492_1423599071169777_5872036052441-2402159.JPG I greased according to a couple YouTube videos I watched, but I could have possibly missed something. I will check out the extractor. Rims are not really bent, just a knick in the rim, only on a few of the cases. Op rod spring measures 19 3/4". |
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Posted: 5/30/2022 10:10:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I greased according to a couple YouTube videos I watched, but I could have possibly missed something. I will check out the extractor. Rims are not really bent, just a knick in the rim, only on a few of the cases. Op rod spring measures 19 3/4". Brass should be 10-15 ft away @1 o'clock. Except for #8 it goes to 4-5 o'clock |
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Posted: 5/30/2022 10:12:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just for the record you do realize that "m1 safe ammo" is basically any commercial ammo. That its a myth blown way out of reality. The CMP disagrees. "The CMP advises to not use . 30/06 ammunition in M1 Garands, 1903s, and 1903A3s that is loaded beyond 50,000 CUP and has a bullet weight more than 172-174gr. These rifles are at least 70 years old and were not designed for max loads and super heavy bullets." |
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Posted: 5/30/2022 10:33:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The CMP disagrees. "The CMP advises to not use . 30/06 ammunition in M1 Garands, 1903s, and 1903A3s that is loaded beyond 50,000 CUP and has a bullet weight more than 172-174gr. These rifles are at least 70 years old and were not designed for max loads and super heavy bullets." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just for the record you do realize that "m1 safe ammo" is basically any commercial ammo. That its a myth blown way out of reality. The CMP disagrees. "The CMP advises to not use . 30/06 ammunition in M1 Garands, 1903s, and 1903A3s that is loaded beyond 50,000 CUP and has a bullet weight more than 172-174gr. These rifles are at least 70 years old and were not designed for max loads and super heavy bullets." Their warning doesn't even make sense since they said don't shoot any ammo over SAAMI max pressure AND has a bullet weight more than 174grn. So if you aren't over max SAAMI spec then the bullet weight doesn't matter. |
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Posted: 5/31/2022 5:56:12 PM EDT
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Note Accurate 4064 is slower than IMR-4064 and is equivalent to IMR-4320 and is made in the same powder plant in Canada as IMR Powders.
Both Accurate 4064 and IMR-4320 are cut shorter than IMR-4064 too. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 9:53:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The CMP disagrees. "The CMP advises to not use . 30/06 ammunition in M1 Garands, 1903s, and 1903A3s that is loaded beyond 50,000 CUP and has a bullet weight more than 172-174gr. These rifles are at least 70 years old and were not designed for max loads and super heavy bullets." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just for the record you do realize that "m1 safe ammo" is basically any commercial ammo. That its a myth blown way out of reality. The CMP disagrees. "The CMP advises to not use . 30/06 ammunition in M1 Garands, 1903s, and 1903A3s that is loaded beyond 50,000 CUP and has a bullet weight more than 172-174gr. These rifles are at least 70 years old and were not designed for max loads and super heavy bullets." I don't think they're saying what you think they're saying. They are saying any commercial ammo is safe if it's under 174gr. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 11:53:37 AM EDT
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Hodgdon service rifle data for a M1 includes bullets up to 180 grain. Service rifle shooters have been using heavy bullets to reach out to 600 and 1000 yards for years before most of us were born.
Hodgdon M1 Garand data. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 9:35:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think they're saying what you think they're saying. They are saying any commercial ammo is safe if it's under 174gr. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just for the record you do realize that "m1 safe ammo" is basically any commercial ammo. That its a myth blown way out of reality. The CMP disagrees. "The CMP advises to not use . 30/06 ammunition in M1 Garands, 1903s, and 1903A3s that is loaded beyond 50,000 CUP and has a bullet weight more than 172-174gr. These rifles are at least 70 years old and were not designed for max loads and super heavy bullets." I don't think they're saying what you think they're saying. They are saying any commercial ammo is safe if it's under 174gr. This new warning specifically states as long as it's under SAAMI max pressure spec. It's fine. Bullet weight comes into play after you are over SAAMI max pressure. The reality is... commercial ammo is fine in the garand. |
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