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Posted: 1/14/2021 11:54:18 PM EST
With all the stuff going on in GD lately.....we have a M1/M1A picture thread, but can I start one in here for carbines? My favorite gun, really....so light and handy, and the history of their production fascinates me.

Wish I had a better quality shot of this but it was taken pre-digital cameras. Need to do another "gun on the stump" shot sometime with it and a better camera (if I can find another stump, this one's long gone).

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It's an Underwood with a rather interesting serial number ending in 4444. Arlington Ordnance import (didn't notice that when I bought it 20 years ago, the mark is so small it looked like a scratch on the underside of the barrel) so it probably came back from Korea.
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Link Posted: 1/15/2021 12:25:04 AM EST
I'm always up to posting pictures of my Carbines



2 USGI Inlands, a Fulton Armory, a "Howa" Made in Japan Royal Thai Police issue based on a Winchester USGI receiver and a 1966 Plainfield.

I've been doing Boyd's stocks for the Inlands, just finished 1 this week for one and I'll be moving the stock from it to the Plainfield as soon as I change the barrel band from the Plainfield one to a USGI Type 2 repro.
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 7:39:55 AM EST
Carbines are just wonderful !!

I need to go shoot ours sometime soon.
It's a 1943 Inland that we hand picked at the CMP South Store years ago.

Wish I'd bought two.

I'll toss up a pic from my phone later today.
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 8:20:53 PM EST
I agree with you guys, they're wonderful! I think they're the quintessential self-defense rifle being light and handy. I keep two of my five in the house with a half-dozen 15 round magazines.

 I have a four day weekend he'd, just got in from the shop loading a few more .30 Carbines and intend to do some shooting between now and Wednesday. I got some different powder in and want to chronograph some new loads. So, I'll try to get a family picture!
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 8:55:30 PM EST
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I agree with you guys, they're wonderful! I think they're the quintessential self-defense rifle being light and handy. I keep two of my five in the house with a half-dozen 15 round magazines.

 I have a four day weekend he'd, just got in from the shop loading a few more .30 Carbines and intend to do some shooting between now and Wednesday. I got some different powder in and want to chronograph some new loads. So, I'll try to get a family picture!
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Your killing me, I want to hit the range with the Howa and Plainfield but work slammed me with mandatory Saturdays for the foreseeable future and I won't get the time.

Maybe next month
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 10:56:49 PM EST
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2 Winchesters, an IBM and a Underwood.

1. Underwood
2. Winchester
3 Winchester.
4. IBM.
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 11:52:03 PM EST
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2 Winchesters, an IBM and a Underwood.

1. Underwood
2. Winchester
3 Winchester.
4. IBM.
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Nice. I wish I had the original stocks for my Inlands but they both came with post war birch stocks.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 10:31:16 AM EST
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2 Winchesters, an IBM and a Underwood.

1. Underwood
2. Winchester
3 Winchester.
4. IBM.
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Interesting to see your #1 and #4 with the later adjustable rear sight, but without the bayonet lug barrel band. I don't see too many like that anymore. My Grandpa had one that was brought back from Europe in that condition, as well. Guess the sights were replaced in the field/by unit armorers without going through the full rebuild process? (His still has the pushbutton mag release (eta....pushbutton safety, not mag release), too. Only "upgrade" is the rear sight.)

Even though they were all rebuilds, I still kick myself for not buying several carbines when CMP had them available. Or even for not buying more at gunshows when they weren't $1000+ like they are today. Granted, I didn't grow up in the days of the $29.95 mail order carbine like some folks (even though, adjusted for inflation, that was still a decent chunk of change in those days).
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 10:37:41 AM EST




My 1944 Inland in it's new Boyd's stock I finished this week. It was a "Blue Sky" import marked one. I had Fulton Armory install a new Criterion chrome lined barrel, replace worn parts and repark it last year. The stock was a tad ratty and I figured a new stock would give it that new issue looked
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 10:42:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Grendel_J:
Interesting to see your #1 and #4 with the later adjustable rear sight, but without the bayonet lug barrel band. I don't see too many like that anymore. My Grandpa had one that was brought back from Europe in that condition, as well. Guess the sights were replaced in the field/by unit armorers without going through the full rebuild process? (His still has the pushbutton mag release, too. Only "upgrade" is the rear sight.)

Even though they were all rebuilds, I still kick myself for not buying several carbines when CMP had them available. Or even for not buying more at gunshows when they weren't $1000+ like they are today. Granted, I didn't grow up in the days of the $29.95 mail order carbine like some folks (even though, adjusted for inflation, that was still a decent chunk of change in those days).
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Originally Posted By fxntime:
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2 Winchesters, an IBM and a Underwood.

1. Underwood
2. Winchester
3 Winchester.
4. IBM.
Interesting to see your #1 and #4 with the later adjustable rear sight, but without the bayonet lug barrel band. I don't see too many like that anymore. My Grandpa had one that was brought back from Europe in that condition, as well. Guess the sights were replaced in the field/by unit armorers without going through the full rebuild process? (His still has the pushbutton mag release, too. Only "upgrade" is the rear sight.)

Even though they were all rebuilds, I still kick myself for not buying several carbines when CMP had them available. Or even for not buying more at gunshows when they weren't $1000+ like they are today. Granted, I didn't grow up in the days of the $29.95 mail order carbine like some folks (even though, adjusted for inflation, that was still a decent chunk of change in those days).


The only one with a bayo lug is a late war Winchester made right around the time they went with the adjustable sight and the lug. I don't think it's ever even had a sling and oiler put on it.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 10:51:21 AM EST


An IBM, and it's a Blue Sky Arsenal reimport, bought back when you get these for under $200.


Link Posted: 1/16/2021 11:28:20 AM EST
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An IBM, and it's a Blue Sky Arsenal reimport, bought back when you get these for under $200.


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Everyone makes a big deal about the import mark but as long as it wasn't so heavy it warped the barrel "Blues'' are decent little Carbines. I've had 2 over the years, the 1 I rebarreled in the photo here and 1 I sold in 2011 when I got into building AR's and figured I owned 2 at the time plus 1 I got from CMP years ago.

Turns out when I sent both the CMP and Blue  I kept to Fulton for tune ups the Blue had a better barrel on it than my CMP "Service" Carbine.

Right now if I saw another Blue Sky import marked Carbine I'd buy it over the Royal Tiger Ethiopian imports people have been paying $1200-1400 for. I could inspect a Blue real time.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 2:49:53 PM EST
Great pictures, guys!

 I dragged mine out this morning for a photo-op, which I'd never done with all of them before.

L-R:    Inland, base model from RTI
          Inland
          Standard Products, base model from RTI
          Iver Johnson
          Universal from the mid-60's.

 

 My 100 yd. backstop is in the background directly behind the carbines and you can just make out the 100 yd. target right of the Iver. If you look closely to the right of the carbines you can see my 200 yd. steel gong.

 
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 3:09:06 PM EST
I bought this IBM M1 carbine for my wife for her retirement after 41 years with that company.

Link Posted: 1/16/2021 4:10:39 PM EST
Had two. Sold the IBM, kept the Rock-Ola.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 6:22:38 PM EST
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Bought an Inland for my dad a few years back.  He had one as his only weapon during the invasion of Okinawa during WW2.  Navy Seabee. He's now 94 years old and still enjoys plinking with it.

I'll try to get a photo of him with the "replacement" carbine,
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 8:17:52 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 10:58:10 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 11:50:37 AM EST
Here is one I had handy...

Built it off an SA Inc rec. back when they were literally giving them away and used a "blue sky" barrel that someone pulled off the rifle "because it was import marked".  Nothing wrong with it at all...shoots real well...  Had one old coot look at it at the range and handed it back in disgust as he said "import!" I said no it's a Springfield I built...  "It's an import!  I know what they are..they are junk!"  And yes he looked just like the fudd meme pic....

All together..I might have 3-400 in it.
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Link Posted: 1/17/2021 1:37:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Jeremy2171:
Here is one I had handy...

Built it off an SA Inc rec. back when they were literally giving them away and used a "blue sky" barrel that someone pulled off the rifle "because it was import marked".  Nothing wrong with it at all...shoots real well...  Had one old coot look at it at the range and handed it back in disgust as he said "import!" I said no it's a Springfield I built...  "It's an import!  I know what they are..they are junk!"  And yes he looked just like the fudd meme pic....

All together..I might have 3-400 in it.
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Sweet. I wish I had kept the barrel off the Blue Sky I had rebuilt, it gauged the best of any the USGI barrels I had. SA used LMT for alot of the receivers they made years ago, same outfit Fulton uses now for theirs.

I'll give youse treefiddy for it since the Fudd says it junk

I'm tempted to try building one myself using a Fulton receiver. I've got a 1944 Inland barrel that gauges 1.5 after I had FA crown it (it was on my Howa), spare USGI bolt that was with that barrel.....stocks...tempting (I'm saving that barrel for the 1944 Inland if I ever want to put it back to full USGI)
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Sweet. I wish I had kept the barrel off the Blue Sky I had rebuilt, it gauged the best of any the USGI barrels I had. SA used LMT for alot of the receivers they made years ago, same outfit Fulton uses now for theirs.

I'll give youse treefiddy for it since the Fudd says it junk

I'm tempted to try building one myself using a Fulton receiver. I've got a 1944 Inland barrel that gauges 1.5 after I had FA crown it (it was on my Howa), spare USGI bolt that was with that barrel.....stocks...tempting (I'm saving that barrel for the 1944 Inland if I ever want to put it back to full USGI)
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Originally Posted By DonFlynn:
Originally Posted By Jeremy2171:
Here is one I had handy...

Built it off an SA Inc rec. back when they were literally giving them away and used a "blue sky" barrel that someone pulled off the rifle "because it was import marked".  Nothing wrong with it at all...shoots real well...  Had one old coot look at it at the range and handed it back in disgust as he said "import!" I said no it's a Springfield I built...  "It's an import!  I know what they are..they are junk!"  And yes he looked just like the fudd meme pic....

All together..I might have 3-400 in it.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51024/48930738_950530101810012_246443824144134-1783438.JPG



Sweet. I wish I had kept the barrel off the Blue Sky I had rebuilt, it gauged the best of any the USGI barrels I had. SA used LMT for alot of the receivers they made years ago, same outfit Fulton uses now for theirs.

I'll give youse treefiddy for it since the Fudd says it junk

I'm tempted to try building one myself using a Fulton receiver. I've got a 1944 Inland barrel that gauges 1.5 after I had FA crown it (it was on my Howa), spare USGI bolt that was with that barrel.....stocks...tempting (I'm saving that barrel for the 1944 Inland if I ever want to put it back to full USGI)
My dad panic bought a carbine in 1994 at a gun show.  It was a Blue Sky that was stamped so hard that a 0.295" plug gauge wouldn't drop down the bore.  It was visible oval. it didn't shoot for shit until the barrel was replaced.


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My dad panic bought a carbine in 1994 at a gun show.  It was a Blue Sky that was stamped so hard that a 0.295" plug gauge wouldn't drop down the bore.  It was visible oval. it didn't shoot for shit until the barrel was replaced.


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Originally Posted By DonFlynn:
Originally Posted By Jeremy2171:
Here is one I had handy...

Built it off an SA Inc rec. back when they were literally giving them away and used a "blue sky" barrel that someone pulled off the rifle "because it was import marked".  Nothing wrong with it at all...shoots real well...  Had one old coot look at it at the range and handed it back in disgust as he said "import!" I said no it's a Springfield I built...  "It's an import!  I know what they are..they are junk!"  And yes he looked just like the fudd meme pic....

All together..I might have 3-400 in it.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51024/48930738_950530101810012_246443824144134-1783438.JPG



Sweet. I wish I had kept the barrel off the Blue Sky I had rebuilt, it gauged the best of any the USGI barrels I had. SA used LMT for alot of the receivers they made years ago, same outfit Fulton uses now for theirs.

I'll give youse treefiddy for it since the Fudd says it junk

I'm tempted to try building one myself using a Fulton receiver. I've got a 1944 Inland barrel that gauges 1.5 after I had FA crown it (it was on my Howa), spare USGI bolt that was with that barrel.....stocks...tempting (I'm saving that barrel for the 1944 Inland if I ever want to put it back to full USGI)
My dad panic bought a carbine in 1994 at a gun show.  It was a Blue Sky that was stamped so hard that a 0.295" plug gauge wouldn't drop down the bore.  It was visible oval. it didn't shoot for shit until the barrel was replaced.





I've seen a few overstamped Blues in my time. Any that have survived this long more than likely didn't get mangled when the importer stamped them. If I saw another "Blue" Inland I'd be tempted, I could use the barrel I have here now on it
Link Posted: 1/24/2021 1:10:20 PM EST
Saginaw SG Division, May 1943. It’s a mixmaster of parts.



And not to brag...but I have the best M1 carbine stock of all M1 carbines

Link Posted: 1/24/2021 1:31:06 PM EST
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Saginaw SG Division, May 1943. It’s a mixmaster of parts.

https://i.imgur.com/G3eAKHb_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

And not to brag...but I have the best M1 carbine stock of all M1 carbines

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Nice "cartouche" That done by you or the GI who was issued it. I can't see that getting past CMP or a arsenal rebuild
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Nice "cartouche" That done by you or the GI who was issued it. I can't see that getting past CMP or a arsenal rebuild
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Original USGI artwork

ETA: as far as I know. It was on there when I got it.
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Original USGI artwork

ETA: as far as I know. It was on there when I got it.
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Nice "cartouche" That done by you or the GI who was issued it. I can't see that getting past CMP or a arsenal rebuild


Original USGI artwork

ETA: as far as I know. It was on there when I got it.



Cool
Link Posted: 1/24/2021 8:35:16 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/28/2021 4:53:02 PM EST
Gotta admit I've never seen a stock carving like that one! The carbine my Grandpa had has two names carved in it, one on either side....previous owner's wife and daughter? wife and girlfriend? two girls back home? We'll never know.
Link Posted: 2/26/2021 8:50:23 PM EST
I have had these for years.  Glad to see there is no shame in the BS imports.  This is my Winny.



I also have a pure Inland from 8-44 with the leather grip bayonet.  Someday I will get a decent shot of that one too.
Link Posted: 2/26/2021 10:13:49 PM EST
My brother gave me this CMP Inland 1943 vintage years ago.

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