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Posted: 10/31/2018 8:35:31 PM EDT
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Did I read somewhere that there are fake Inlands floating around?
How much do they want for it? Hard to believe they don't know what they have, if it is genuine. How did they come by it, and when? Any documentation? |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 8:52:51 PM EDT
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Did I read somewhere that there are fake Inlands floating around? How much do they want for it? Hard to believe they don't know what they have, if it is genuine. How did they come by it, and when? Any documentation? Speaking of fake I did see something that caught my eye and it too was on an M1 carbine. It has a hand stamped M1 on it. The add says it was because of the M2 switch over and the receiver had not been stamped during production so that they could use for M2. I have no clue of that one and it just felt off to me so I have not dug into it more. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 8:54:22 PM EDT
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That serial number was made in the first part of 1944. Your carbine probably has the original barrel. .30 Carbine ammo never had corrosive primers so the barrels tended to last. It really is not unusual for carbines to have the original barrel but chances are the rest of the parts are a mixture of parts.
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Posted: 10/31/2018 8:54:57 PM EDT
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This is what the add says -
Here we have an Inland MFG Div, General Motors M1 Semi-Auto Rifle chambered in .30 Carbine ! Our rifle is in good to very good condition and is NOT a reproduction ! This neat M1 1-44 has the type 3 bayonett lug/barrel band In 1941, with the US being pulled into one of the greatest conflicts in world history, a division of General Motors was tasked to support the war effort. The result was firearm history with Inland Manufacturing becoming one of the largest gun manufacturers in the US, producing nearly 3 million firearms in less than 5 years. The most notable of Inland’s firearm production was the .30 Caliber M1 carbine and the folding stock variant, and the M1A1 Paratrooper model. ***** The Basic Stats: Bore: Good Lands and grooves, SHINY bore Barrel: 18"ish - Parkerizing holding up VERY well - No signs of cancer or discoloration Length of Pull: 13" Total Length: 36" Action: Semi-Auto Action - Flows like butter on a hot grill...just THAT smooth ! Front Sight: Fixed blade nestled between two wings Rear Sight: Type 2 Markings: Barrel: Inland MFG. DIV. / General Motors / 1-44 Receiver: Barrel End - "U.S. Carbine / CAL. 30 MI" Under the rear sight - Inland DIV / 4946741 On the stock: Left side - "AAX" ; Right side - "13 3 / 133" in white paint with the crossed ordnance faintly under. It also looks like something was affixed to the flank here, green edge rectangle, perhaps a picture or map or perhaps an inventory ticket? Furniture: We believe the furniture to be completely original based on the wear and condition. There are normal signs of wear, handling and such on all wood parts. Some include dings, nicks, gouges and the like from field use. This Inland M1 Carbine was made by the Inland Manufacturing Division of General Motors during WWII. This M1 uses almost all Inland parts. Only the rear sight and magazine MAY not be Inland parts. It is relatively easy to find an Inland magazine on-line or at a gun show. This M1 is in nice shape with a strong bright bore and strong metal finish. This is a Nice M1 to add to your WWII collection! |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 8:56:24 PM EDT
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That serial number was made in the first part of 1944. Your carbine probably has the original barrel. .30 Carbine ammo never had corrosive primers so the barrels tended to last. It really is not unusual for carbines to have the original barrel but chances are the rest of the parts are a mixture of parts. |
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Posted: 10/31/2018 9:23:18 PM EDT
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I don't see the problem, reality is most USGI carbines would still have their original barrel...again, since carbine ammo was ALWAYS non-corrosive, nothing but extreme neglect would render a carbine barrel un-useable to the point of needing a re-barrel.
Most re-furbs to carbines put a bayo lug front band on, the windage adjustable rear sight, upgrading the safety from push button to rotary, and installing the upgraded, stronger mag release. Barrels were usually good to go. Nothing wrong with that carbine likely, original barrels are not unusual... Pics would be helpful... |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:28:31 AM EDT
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I don't see the problem, reality is most USGI carbines would still have their original barrel...again, since carbine ammo was ALWAYS non-corrosive, nothing but extreme neglect would render a carbine barrel un-useable to the point of needing a re-barrel. Most re-furbs to carbines put a bayo lug front band on, the windage adjustable rear sight, upgrading the safety from push button to rotary, and installing the upgraded, stronger mag release. Barrels were usually good to go. Nothing wrong with that carbine likely, original barrels are not unusual... Pics would be helpful... How can I tell if a stock is original to the rifle? It has I believe two cannons marked at the rack numbers on the stock. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 8:04:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't think about the ammo being non corrosive. I will try and get some pics posted. I don't own this one but I am trying to. How can I tell if a stock is original to the rifle? It has I believe two cannons marked at the rack numbers on the stock. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 8:07:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't think about the ammo being non corrosive. I will try and get some pics posted. I don't own this one but I am trying to. How can I tell if a stock is original to the rifle? It has I believe two cannons marked at the rack numbers on the stock. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:25:32 PM EDT
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Here is the link to the Inland. Tell me what you think of it. I talked to the owner and my offer as of right now was not excepted. He asked to give him time on the auction and then he would get back to me.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:57:01 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, the detail of the Ordnance Escutcheon is lacking due to the picture lighting, or just wear on the stock. Can't make out enough of the details.
The stock is "low wood" which is correct for a '44 Inland. However the "P" mark indicates post war rebuild. The "AAX" in the description is also indicative of a post war rebuild, although no arsenal is listed as "AAX". AA, AAHO, AAL, AAP, AAR, and AAS would all indicated Augusta Arsenal work. The picture on the auction is not clear enough, however the X doesn't appear to be the same as the AA mark, so perhaps it was added later. The safety is a latter type than what would originally have been found, as is the barrel band w/ bayonet lug. These were typically replaced during the post war rebuild, along with the rear sight. Without a complete tear down, there is no way to determine the originality of all the parts. If every part indicated Inland, I would suspect that it was "restored". During arsenal rebuilds, parts from all manufacturers were mixed and used as needed. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:57:38 PM EDT
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It looks fine, it is what it is, post war use, probable arsenal refurb at some point....handguard is an earlier two rivet, has all other late war features. Rack numbers of some sort...
If no import marks, certainly he is in the ballpark with his price, I would not expect to get him much lower, unless it gets no bids possibly. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 2:37:51 PM EDT
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About average on price, maybe a touch high. Condition is ok, not great, but ok. Pretty typical post-war rebuild. Your $750 bid is not out of line.
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Posted: 11/2/2018 8:57:40 AM EDT
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There was a bunch of Chinese M1 carbine ammo floating around at one time that was prone to head separations and also made with corrosive primers.
DO NOT SHOOT THIS CRAP! IT WILL FUCK UP YOUR CARBINE.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 9:03:55 AM EDT
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There was a bunch of Chinese M1 carbine ammo floating around at one time that was prone to head separations and also made with corrosive primers. DO NOT SHOOT THIS CRAP! IT WILL FUCK UP YOUR CARBINE. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333347/2EE6E2CA-0357-469D-867D-272BBC79AE23_jpeg-725117.JPG |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 9:19:48 AM EDT
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There was a bunch of Chinese M1 carbine ammo floating around at one time that was prone to head separations and also made with corrosive primers. DO NOT SHOOT THIS CRAP! IT WILL FUCK UP YOUR CARBINE. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333347/2EE6E2CA-0357-469D-867D-272BBC79AE23_jpeg-725117.JPG |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 9:50:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All of it I have shot worked fine |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 9:56:25 AM EDT
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I only shoot my alpine so I'mnot real worried with it, but I still do the Windex soak treatment!!
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Posted: 11/2/2018 10:30:23 AM EDT
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The big rectangle on the stock screams Korean to me. They loved plastering things on there. With the upgraded safety and mag release, and the later upper band, it's gone through at least one rework. So, the seller is FoS on the "Original" part. $900 for a run-of-the-mill Inland rework is about $200 too much IMO.
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Posted: 11/2/2018 12:10:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure it shot fine, the issue is with the way the carbine works with its short stroke tappet being essentially sealed (unless you disassemble it everytime) the corrosive salts may build up in the chamber and rust it solid. |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 12:40:22 PM EDT
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Just swapped some parts over to an IBM receiver, now I need to refinish this stock:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_14/493331_Functioning-carbine-built-up-on-IBM-receiver-.html  Attached FileI've got right around $650 in it, and a spare Choate folding stock. |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 1:24:13 PM EDT
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Just swapped some parts over to an IBM receiver, now I need to refinish this stock: https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_14/493331_Functioning-carbine-built-up-on-IBM-receiver-.html https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84655/IMG_20181029_205004_jpg-721806.JPG I've got right around $650 in it, and a spare Choate folding stock. |
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Posted: 11/2/2018 1:29:55 PM EDT
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With in-spec parts and an action wrench, a carbine is as easy to build as an AR. I was very surprised it was so simple.
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