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Posted: 9/9/2020 2:42:54 PM EDT
[#1]
Caliper?
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Posted: 9/9/2020 2:48:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Caliper? Autocorrect’s not going to catch that one! OP, titegroup should make a nice target load. Look through a reloading manual for your bullet weight and look for the load with the lowest charge by weight. Grains of powder = grains of gas produced. The more gas the more recoil, generally. Titegroup, 244, and HP-38 have low charge weights in .40 for that bullet weight. Start low and work up finding the load with acceptable accuracy that still cycles your gun. |
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Posted: 9/9/2020 3:22:58 PM EDT
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Troll posts in the reloading forum are not welcomed. "We all know that's a big if, but if Trump wins".
Advice redacted. |
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Posted: 9/9/2020 3:26:07 PM EDT
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Or buy a 10mm and load those bullets as 10mm.
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Posted: 9/9/2020 5:43:23 PM EDT
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My Titegroup loads for .40 were all for 180 grain pills.
Going from memory so this won't help much. Started at 4.2grains and worked up .1 grain each step. Stopped at 4.6 grains. Shot from Glock 22. Think my most accurate load was 4.5 grains. Memory aint what it used to be. Really liked the combination of Titegroup and 180 pills though. |
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Posted: 9/9/2020 5:50:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Caliper? Yep, you're right. I got it correct in the last sentence, but missed the first few including the title. I'm not working on cars at this time. Corrections to caliber are complete. |
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Posted: 9/9/2020 5:53:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Troll posts in the reloading forum are not welcomed. "We all know that's a big if, but if Trump wins". Advice redacted. Well I also said that I think he will win, and he gets my vote just like in 2016. My typing fingers got ahead of my intended message. I edited that which concerned you, so if you have advice I'm willing to listen. 
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Posted: 9/9/2020 5:58:52 PM EDT
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I live in small town America but our local gun shop (we really only have one) does carry lots of powders. They have the HP-38 mentioned above and a Hodgdon CFE Pistol that states it's ideal for 9mm, 38 Super, 40 S&W and 45 ACP.
I'll do some interneting this evening to consider these two plus the TiteGroup I already have. What kind of FPS should I strive towards as a beginner load? 950 to 1,000? Thanks for your input. |
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Posted: 9/9/2020 6:21:19 PM EDT
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I'd use the Hodgdon Titegroup data on their website starting with the lowest load.
It works fine in .40 S&W. https://hodgdon.com/ |
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Posted: 9/9/2020 7:20:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I live in small town America but our local gun shop (we really only have one) does carry lots of powders. They have the HP-38 mentioned above and a Hodgdon CFE Pistol that states it's ideal for 9mm, 38 Super, 40 S&W and 45 ACP. I'll do some interneting this evening to consider these two plus the TiteGroup I already have. What kind of FPS should I strive towards as a beginner load? 950 to 1,000? Thanks for your input. Velocity in this case doesn’t really matter. If you’re not going near max loads you don’t really need to break out your chronograph unless you’re curious. If you’re just looking for a target load ideally you want a powder charge that just cycles your Glock and is still accurate. Find some published load data and start at the bottom. You should find something that works well below max. Previously I only mentioned Hodgdon powders. Others will work. You’re familiar with AA#5. AA#2 might be a good choice for a target load. If you want to spend some money N320 might be another alternative. Not sure if those are appropriate powders but they will probably work. Hodgdon, Western Powders, and Vihtavuori all have good online load data. If it was me I’d just stick with the Titegroup. |
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Posted: 9/9/2020 11:18:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I also said that I think he will win, and he gets my vote just like in 2016. My typing fingers got ahead of my intended message. I edited that which concerned you, so if you have advice I'm willing to listen. Just to be clear, keep all politics out of this Technical Forum. Good thing that you changed your post. Now that's taken care of carry on with this thread. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 6:32:46 AM EDT
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I've got a couple Glock 23's that I've had for a long time. I wanted to consolidate on 9mm years ago but instead of ditching the 23's, I just got the 9mm ejector and complete Glock 19 slides. So I can always use them to burn up .40SW if I want to.
On that note, I've been loading .40SW more lately these days since I still have a lot of brass and FMJ bullets are still readily available while jacketed 147 9mm bullets are not. I'm running full auto subguns chambered in .40SW in our monthly SMG matches. I don't want the .40SW brass so I don't mind leaving it on the ground. Seems everyone at the matches I go to hate .40SW and don't want to pick it up either which is great if you are a .40SW reloader. I actually think .40SW makes a great caliber for the SMG matches. Out of an 8" barrel and 180Gr, it hits the steel harder than 147Gr 9mm loads. I also use Titegroup as my preferred pistol powder but during these times, I'm burning all the powders I don't commonly use in .40SW until this supply drought is hopefully over. Right now, I'm burning up some old Win231 and then I'll move on to some Bullseye and when that is all gone, I'll probably go back to Titegroup. I think Titegroup burns cleaner than either of the AA powders you mentioned. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 7:50:05 AM EDT
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40 is my caliber of choice. I started with the 155 gr bullets but learned that the 180s are more controllable/less snappy.
Then I found out about 10mm and can use the same bullet for both. I use the Lyman manual for Titegroup loads. Enjoy the variety your LGS provides powderwise! |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 10:04:08 AM EDT
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TiteGroup seems to be the common favorite so I'll use it. Which of the three listed bullets, from Hodgdon's website, best represents the 155g truncated bullets I have? Would it be the BERB FP?
I'm thinking to start at 5g for ~1,000 fps and see how that work. Thanks to all.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 1:58:42 PM EDT
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i would sell the bullets and use the money to buy a 40 to 9 conversion barrel.
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Posted: 9/10/2020 2:08:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TiteGroup seems to be the common favorite so I'll use it. Which of the three listed bullets, from Hodgdon's website, best represents the 155g truncated bullets I have? Would it be the BERB FP? I'm thinking to start at 5g for ~1,000 fps and see how that work. Thanks to all. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/263131/DSC01782_JPG-1585722.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/263131/TiteGroup_Load_JPG-1585726.JPG |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 2:16:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i would sell the bullets and use the money to buy a 40 to 9 conversion barrel. Ditto! Granted they are not 180 grainers, but I bet they would sell. About a year after Sandy Hook, USPSA competitors were still hurting for components. I had a bunch of commercially made cast lead boolits that I advertised via the Brian Enos forums. They flew off my shelves.  |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 2:19:51 PM EDT
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Notice to all;
This is not a "get a different barrel" thread, so please stay on topic. Loading 40 S&W with what OP has is the topic. dryflash3 |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 4:21:11 PM EDT
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I now have a few hundred 40 S&W shells in the tumbler and can start reloading in my leisure.
I have enough 9mm handguns that I'm not interested in purchasing a 40 to 9 conversion barrel. It may be a few weeks but I'll report back the results of this endeavor. Thank you for your help. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 8:08:32 PM EDT
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<snip> off topic post removed.
Didn't see my last post? dryflash3 |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 9:04:55 PM EDT
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Titegroup works well in 40. I only used 180 and 200 grain bullets so can't speak about those 155 grain bullets. My reloads seemed to work very well towards the lower end of the range. 4.3 grains under 180 works my G22 just fine.
As always work up your loads carefully. |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 7:56:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2020 9:15:39 PM EDT
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Thread is relevant to my interests. Anyone have experience with Bullseye for .40? I've got several pounds of it and tons of brass saved up. Thinking about picking up some Berrys plated 180 gr and giving it a go.
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Posted: 9/15/2020 10:00:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thread is relevant to my interests. Anyone have experience with Bullseye for .40? I've got several pounds of it and tons of brass saved up. Thinking about picking up some Berrys plated 180 gr and giving it a go. I have used it in the past, can't find the data. If I were to have some Bullseye and 180gr, I would start at 5 gr. Look at Alliant's website for the 180 gr Speer GDHP, start -10% I believe I had good results with the Bullseye...good luck! |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 11:32:07 PM EDT
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I have used 5.5gr 700x with 155gr TFMJ FN bullets and Fed primers. Through a gen2 G23 it chrono'd at 968fps and is comfortable to shoot.
I tried VV N340 with 170gr TFMJ FN, but it was really snappy and the velocities were well below expectations. Because of this I didn't attempt to work up a load with the 155gr FN's. |
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Posted: 9/16/2020 9:56:44 PM EDT
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I use AA#5 for 180 moly cast bullets in my Glock factory barrel. It burns really clean. I never clean the barrel and action has a fraction of the soot other powders produce. I just run a dry patch through it after every match.
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Posted: 9/24/2020 4:28:15 PM EDT
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I reloaded 10 each of the 155 grain truncated bullets with TiteGroup in these weights:
5.0g 4.8g 4.6g I am planning to go to a friend's house and use his coronagraph to measure the FPS of each. But in the meantime I stepped into the back yard and fired 5 of each. The 5.0 was a little snappy, the 4.8g less so, and the 4.6g seemed to be just right. The gun cycled every time, four were within a 1" circle and the 5th was .25" away from the circle. This was fairly close at 5 yards distance. I plan to load 100 at 4.6g to ensure there's no cycling problem before I load the remaining shells. I don't expect any problems but wouldn't want 1,000+ loaded and then experience cycling concerns. |
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Posted: 9/25/2020 10:09:53 AM EDT
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Done
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Posted: 9/25/2020 5:05:55 PM EDT
[#29]
Big fan of .40 minor. 3.8 grains of WST is the magic with your 180 pills. If loading 155's start around 4.0 grains.
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Posted: 9/25/2020 11:41:22 PM EDT
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My pet load for .40 S&W is 5.0 W231/HP38 (same stuff) under a 155 grain bullet (don't care what type) in whatever brass is handy with a Winchester LP primer.
My CZ75B gobbles them up and are decently accurate at 15 yards. |
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Posted: 9/26/2020 8:00:10 AM EDT
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I used to load .40 S&W a lot when I was shooting USPSA / IDPA and TiteGroup was my powder of choice although my bullets were a bit heavier at 165 grains. The best load I found, through a Beretta 96 Border Marshall, was 4.2 grains of TiteGroup, Winchester Small Pistol primers, and West Coast 165 grain RBFP bullets. I was getting about 825 fps through my Beretta with a Bar-Sto barrel.
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Posted: 9/26/2020 8:37:16 AM EDT
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I prefer the heavier 180 grain projectiles in the .40 S&W. I use an 6 gr. charge of AA5.
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Posted: 9/26/2020 8:41:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I live in small town America but our local gun shop (we really only have one) does carry lots of powders. They have the HP-38 mentioned above and a Hodgdon CFE Pistol that states it's ideal for 9mm, 38 Super, 40 S&W and 45 ACP. I'll do some interneting this evening to consider these two plus the TiteGroup I already have. What kind of FPS should I strive towards as a beginner load? 950 to 1,000? Thanks for your input. I had a 155gr minor load with coated bullets years ago. I loaded it to around 925 fps. It was an absolute powder puff round out of my STI. Bullseye, titegroup, wst, cleanshot, aa2 would all work for your application. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 12:00:51 PM EDT
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Last Friday I shot nearly 100 rounds of the 155 grain loaded with 4.6g of TiteGroup. They shot great with no failures, so I will stick to this formula as I continue to reload. I haven't yet put them through a chronograph but when I do I'll report the results.
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Posted: 10/27/2020 1:00:50 PM EDT
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I prefer 5.0 grains of W231/HP38 under a 180 gn plated bullet.
Accurate and less perceived recoil than factory loads. Slightly different powder charge for a 155 projo, but still good to go. |
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Posted: 10/27/2020 7:20:20 PM EDT
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I would not go below the published start load unless I was loading to a shorter OAL for a specific bullet/barrel.
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Posted: 11/11/2020 6:10:28 PM EDT
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I present to you 1,052 rounds of 40 S&W loaded with the 155g truncated bullets and 4.2g of Hodgdon Titegroup. I used up most of my empty shells but consumed all the remaining Wolf primers I had available. Last year at a local gun show I picked up 5,000 CCI small pistol primers that will be utilized the next time. By the way, the 5,000 is all the primers I have left. I hope prices settle down sometime in the near future, but I'll be good for a while.
Based on weigh counting I have approximately 662 more of the 155g bullets for the next 40 S&W reload cycle. This will accommodate my full-size framed handgun shooting for a while, in a Glock model 22. I figure since I already own the 155g bullets these are costing me about $0.04 each to reload. That's some cheap shooting. I do have smaller framed Glock handguns that shoot the 9mm.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/30/2020 2:47:55 PM EDT
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I fired the rep samples through a Chronograph using a Glock model 22 with 4.5" barrel.
Common: Hodgdon Titegroup powder, Wolf primer, 155 gr jacketed & truncated projectile. Grains Low FPS High FPS Ave FPS 5.0 1,001 1,046 1,029 4.8 949 1,028 981 4.6 927 991 953 The 4.6 load shoots nicely and makes a nice target plinking round. Thanks to all of you for your help. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 8:30:11 PM EDT
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I have about 450 more of the 155gr projectiles that I can load up as time allows. I've consumed all my Alliant Titegroup powder but do like the performance of the 4.6gr loads.
So which powder should I use to consume the remainder of the projectiles? I would like to see a FPS of 950 to 980, similar to the results of the Titegroup charge. I have available, in order of burn rate, fastest to slowest: Alliant Bullseye Hodgdon HP-38 & Win 231 (same powder, different name) Win 244 Alliant BE-86 Winchester WSF Accurate #5 I'm thinking that since the Bullseye and Titegroup have a very similar burn rate I should choose Bullseye. What is your opinion? |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 10:04:30 PM EDT
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I really like BE-86 for 180gr bullets in .40. I worked up a load using 180gr HST pulls that was as fast as factory and very accurate.
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Posted: 2/27/2021 8:41:24 PM EDT
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One of the clearest, memories and sorta shock I have had. Is during the sandy hook shortage I ran out of bullets and found 1k of bullets just like yours (was using a G23). So I loaded them with the only powder I had Bullseye. As I was shooting a match, I heard the guys on the line talking. "God that's flashy", "looks like a hotter load than he needs", "Oh that's just Bullseye powder", "yep, looks like Bullseye to me". I was like mother f'er.... these guys can tell my load just from watching me shoot it....... That had always stuck with me. Like DAM... I wish I was good enough that I could tell the power a guy was using from the muzzle flash.... I am such a nob. I don't think I could EVER tell a powder from the muzzle flash.
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