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The crooked 3x picture was mine. One of the first M1's and the reticle was not canted. My camera skills suck and that was the clearest picture of the reticle I could take. Just so happens that my camera was tilted at the time...
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03/06/2018 Update - AUG emergency deployment You can't make this up. [by the way, please don't text quote all of this] View Quote I may have missed it, but why are your rifles taken apart? The AUG is heavy, I use a padded magpul sling. Do you have a light on the rifle? |
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Good to hear all is well. I may have missed it, but why are your rifles taken apart? The AUG is heavy, I use a padded magpul sling. Do you have a light on the rifle? View Quote I have a cheap light with integrated mounting system i keep around to throw on a rail when have need. I threw it on later. I had a tiny low profile button light as well, but it was off. After a full night of in-house constant carry, an AUG with laser and a low hang sling was a phenomenal system, better than any other option. |
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Those cases you picked up are nice, but I wouldn't leave a go-to weapon in a disassembled state like that. I have at least one ready to use at all times.
I'm glad everything went smoothly for you. It's good to have cop friends. |
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I love how the compactness of bullpups shine in doors. It’s always fun to shoulder one in the House then realize that you have a rifle with a full length barrel sticking out less than a pistol with your arms full extended.
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OP - Can you remind us what sling you are using? View Quote Normally I can't stand complex slings like that, but for the application of hip hang slinging a gun, slightly pointed down for safety and convenience all afternoon and evening, it worked extremely well. I'm glad I had it. By the sling mount points being where they are on an AUG, it hangs excellent with the system. You don't pull the sling off to deploy, just lift the well balanced AUG up, and ignore the sling. On an AR, with bottom sling mounts, the rifle would have an odd torque trying to rotate on you while hung. Also, the AR pistol grip would be hanging behind your center line. It also would be behind the center of gravity. An AR is more difficult and uncomfortable to drop hand at naturally position, to the pistol grip, and also harder to elevate one handed. On the AUG, it was very natural, easy, and comfortable. Also, an AR has various knobs, levers and magazines on the left side and/or forward, making it snaggy. The AUG is melted smooth on the left side at all the contact points, making it a very comfortable and snag free 8 hour window. It's a well considered design. |
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spyderccomonkey, are you using the PupLight there? Currently I use that with a surefire fury but I'm wondering if there's a brighter light that fits it.
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spyderccomonkey, are you using the PupLight there? Currently I use that with a surefire fury but I'm wondering if there's a brighter light that fits it. Thanks View Quote Afterall, the original Surefires - which were 2x brighter then a 2D Maglite - were 65 lumens. |
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Can a PupLight handle a full auto AUG? Looks like it'd get pretty hot.
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Can a PupLight handle a full auto AUG? Looks like it'd get pretty hot. View Quote I'm sadly not living the FA lifestyle, but I did fire 200rds in about 15 minutes with mine, and it was no worse for wear. The mount only attaches to the tailcap; if you were planning on spending the day at the range dumping FA relentlessly, you could just unscrew the light and just leave the tailcap in the PupLight mount. |
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I've got an AUG inbound, and am definitely interested in getting a light on board. Aside from the aforementioned PUPLight, what are some other illumination options AUG owners here have had good luck with?
Thanks, Mike Smith/AAC SilentMike |
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I've got an AUG inbound, and am definitely interested in getting a light on board. Aside from the aforementioned PUPLight, what are some other illumination options AUG owners here have had good luck with? Thanks, Mike Smith/AAC SilentMike View Quote |
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What light and mount do you have going on there RTPguy?
Thanks! Mike Smith/AAC SilentMike |
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What light and mount do you have going on there RTPguy? Thanks! Mike Smith/AAC SilentMike View Quote No barrel 'shadow' of significance in reality. The only downside of positioning there is when some 'evil' match director for a night match makes intentionally tiny cutouts to shoot through - effectively, you can only get the optic or the light lined up. This has really only happened once, and I was cursing, but you still have some eye 'memory' in that you light the target and then get the optic on target quickly and it works ok. Real-world - not an issue. The mount is a Manticore Arms Talon mount. I don't believe they're making them any more but they occasionally pop up for sale used. It's a nice combination with the GHW flex swivel (QD takedown pin) and my 2/1pt sling as I use the flex swivel in single point mode which is the perfect location, and a QD on the Talon when in 2pt mode + the GHW swivel point. |
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https://www.spectergear.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=292 Normally I can't stand complex slings like that, but for the application of hip hang slinging a gun, slightly pointed down for safety and convenience all afternoon and evening, it worked extremely well. I'm glad I had it. By the sling mount points being where they are on an AUG, it hangs excellent with the system. You don't pull the sling off to deploy, just lift the well balanced AUG up, and ignore the sling. On an AR, with bottom sling mounts, the rifle would have an odd torque trying to rotate on you while hung. Also, the AR pistol grip would be hanging behind your center line. It also would be behind the center of gravity. An AR is more difficult and uncomfortable to drop hand at naturally position, to the pistol grip, and also harder to elevate one handed. On the AUG, it was very natural, easy, and comfortable. Also, an AR has various knobs, levers and magazines on the left side and/or forward, making it snaggy. The AUG is melted smooth on the left side at all the contact points, making it a very comfortable and snag free 8 hour window. It's a well considered design. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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OP - Can you remind us what sling you are using? Normally I can't stand complex slings like that, but for the application of hip hang slinging a gun, slightly pointed down for safety and convenience all afternoon and evening, it worked extremely well. I'm glad I had it. By the sling mount points being where they are on an AUG, it hangs excellent with the system. You don't pull the sling off to deploy, just lift the well balanced AUG up, and ignore the sling. On an AR, with bottom sling mounts, the rifle would have an odd torque trying to rotate on you while hung. Also, the AR pistol grip would be hanging behind your center line. It also would be behind the center of gravity. An AR is more difficult and uncomfortable to drop hand at naturally position, to the pistol grip, and also harder to elevate one handed. On the AUG, it was very natural, easy, and comfortable. Also, an AR has various knobs, levers and magazines on the left side and/or forward, making it snaggy. The AUG is melted smooth on the left side at all the contact points, making it a very comfortable and snag free 8 hour window. It's a well considered design. 1, Low profile -which keeps people from seeing that you have a weapon until you want them to, could be the difference between life an death. 2, Carrying the weapon -which you will do more than shooting it, a weapon thats not right there when you need it because its in the way won't do you much good no matter how fast you are with you gaming speed drills. 3, Egronomics -Points naturally with large operating interfaces, Charging handle, Safety, Mag release button. Makes it easier when stressed and fueled with adreanline. There is a very good reason why Israel went with the bullpup design because when you spend a lot of time in close quaters in houses and vehicles compactness is a huge advantage. |
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spyderccomonkey, are you using the PupLight there? Currently I use that with a surefire fury but I'm wondering if there's a brighter light that fits it. Thanks View Quote spydercomonkey, how did mount the SF F2 by the tail cap? My PupLight holds the light where it says FURY on it. rtpguy, I could swear I have a manticore arms mount so I see a new project in my future. |
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03/17/2018 Update - 126 rounds of M193 fired today. No rifle failures, but some other items.
Did some prone rapid shooting today. Essentially 4 30 round mag-dumps in a row. Found that AUG's do indeed get HOT, if you do that. Also learned the trick of holding the front of the trigger grip during sand-bag prone, doesn't work so good when the gun gets that hot. Your hand gets toasted, so pulled the front pistol grip back down, moved the gun such that this cleared the sandbags, and put my hand there. Interestingly, my best performance was when I was holding the fore-grip like that, rather that the seemingly more precise/less-barrel-pressure of holding the front of the trigger guard. The gun ran just fine. But I think when it got that hot, it jacked up my spiffy laser. When I checked this morning, the laser was spot on. After those 120 rounds, I went to check it again, and it was way off. Not even in the scope. It also was hot, so I'm guessing the receiver heat conducted up into the thing, and messed up the zero. So that's annoying! Also, my sling came undone and sort of fell apart on my there. Something slipped out of a buckle or something. (it's a correctable sling item that I had adjusted wrong, nothing to do with the rifle). Total round count: 4075 |
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I know it has worked well until now. But maybe you need to upgrade to a better laser.
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Thanks spydercomonkey, mine was sitting on the bench and I bumped it and it scooted into the position yours is in so it will be remounted that way on my rifle when I reassemble it.
Is that a CT laser above your trigger? It looks like the green one I have currently. |
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You just line up the ridges in the Fury tailcap with the ridges in the Pulight, tighten it down, and you should be good to go. If you zoom in, you should be able to see where it's positioned; its very ergonomic in this setup. https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23574&stc=1&d=1517799815 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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spydercomonkey, how did mount the SF F2 by the tail cap? My PupLight holds the light where it says FURY on it. If you zoom in, you should be able to see where it's positioned; its very ergonomic in this setup. https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23574&stc=1&d=1517799815 |
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05/28/2018 Update - 90 rounds of light ammunition fired. No failures of any kind.
Total round count: 4250 |
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The faster recovery while standing is because of how well balanced the AUG is. The center of gravity is at the pistol grip vs an AR, which has its center of gravity in front of the mag well
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9/2/2018 updarte: Fired 38 rounds from 200 yards. No failures of any kind.
Tested POI shift, accuracy, and affect of gun-hold. Two bench positions tested: 1. "mono-pod" style: Sort of using the veritcle grip with your fist as a monopod while firing from a bench. Your fist makes the bottom 3" of the monopod and is what is resting on the bench top. 2. "Free float" - flipped up vertical grip, and Resting the bottom of the main pistol grip on a raised block of wood, and support hand either on rear stock, or grabbing on to the trigger guard (i.e. barrel is "free floating") 5 shot groups 55 FMJ reloads (Hornady; M193) Monopod: 0.7 MOA MR; 0.9 MOA low; 0.9 MOA right FreeFloat: 0.4 MOA Mean Radius (1.3 MOA extreme spread); 0.2 MOA low; 1.8 MOA right 62 gr Fed Greed Tip (M855) Monopod 1.7 MOA MR; 3 MOA high; 0.2 MOA right FreeFloat 1.6 MOA MR; 1.4 MOA high; 0.9 MOA right 73 gr match loads (Berger - 8 shot string) FreeFloat:: 0.94 MOA MR. 0 MOA high; 0.8 MOA Right Conclusions (this is a limited data set, so more of a "trends" than anything else: -Free float tended be more accurate than monopod. -Fed 62 gr green tip (M855) is the worst performer (and had a noticeably strong recoil). 73 gr match ammo didn't really shine today - , and I question if was representational. 55 FMJ shot best. -M855 has a ~2 MOA higher point of impact than M193 (55 FMJ). 73 gr Berger match was close to the same as the M193. -Monopod vs Freefloat might have moved the point of impact, but if so, there's no clear trend. Total round count: 4388 |
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I’ve had a number of these Jams before, couldn’t figure why but it was the exact same jam with the same dents to the bullet. It’s at least once every other range trip and it’s disappointing. It’s happened with different magazines and different ammo, and the gun has almost 1000 rounds now
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I’ve had a number of these Jams before, couldn’t figure why but it was the exact same jam with the same dents to the bullet. It’s at least once every other range trip and it’s disappointing. It’s happened with different magazines and different ammo, and the gun has almost 1000 rounds now View Quote The top round in the mag is being held down a little bit, by the underside of the bolt carrier. Upon firing, the bolt and carrier slide along the top of the case body. Once clear, the round will pop up the last 1/32 (ish) of an inch, to engage the magazine lips, and wait for the bolt to come back forward, to hit the head and start sliding the round out. For some reason, in that tiny gap of time and space, the round did not stop at the magazine lips. This mostly does imply an issue with the magazine, and the underside dimensions and tension of the mag lips. In my case, I guess the recoil and the bolt-carrier smack into the back of the stock was enough vigor, that it jarred the round out somehow. At a guess, hotter full-house M855 and M193 is more likely to create faster bolt speeds, and so a more vigorous impact jarring when the bolt carrier comes to stop. Supposedly the AUG-PMag's were also developed to help with round-jump. So I'm curious if you tried one of those, and the problem persists. I also suspect switching to a milder ammo like Wolf Gold might help, but that's a crap "solution", if that's really it. I will say, it's actually pretty rare for me to shoot M855 in my AUG. Normally I like shooting that ammo in tighter chambers, as I really like that brass, and usually intend to recover it for later precision match ammo. I don't think it's coincidental that the jam occurred with the hot M855 ammo. |
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Out of all my AUGs the ONLY time I’ve ever had a jam was when I was shooting from a sled. I put my had over the ejection port and got something similar to this except with one live and one empty. As for the VFG. I’ve noticed that some AUGs will have a very slight POI shift with no weight on the VFG and some don’t. Oddly enough I’ve noticed more of a POI shift with weight on the grip while folded then no weight on it at all. I’ve never noticed a POI shift from removing the bbl even after years of use. When I zero an AUG I always do it with the grip down and weight on it.
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I've had double feeds before when using US made AUG mags (they have a clear square around the round count numbers on the mag body). Austrian made mags have always been 100%
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I've had double feeds before when using US made AUG mags (they have a clear square around the round count numbers on the mag body). Austrian made mags have always been 100% View Quote |
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All three mags(magpul included)are packed with 60 rounds of green tip ammo. I'm thinking the previous double feed was with Q3131A.
Side note: shooting 3131A in my A3M1 had no issues but I don't know what mag was used. Results will post tomorrow. |
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60 rounds green tip ammo: runs poorly in domestic made AUG mag(square around number); perfect in Austrian and Magpul AUG mags.
Next i loaded a box of PMC 223 in the domestic AUG mag and it jammed every other round. I quit at 12 shots. The hurt rounds looked like Jonathan's but only one was ever damaged? Not a true double feed, right? Does anyone know of any recourse on these mags? I still need to try: bunny fart handloads and a different rifle. Hope this helps someone. |
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I'm glad to see that what I noticed about the US-made AUG mags wasn't just my imagination.
I bought them from Pete years ago so I don't know whether to contact him (it's been 4-5 years) or Steyr |
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I'm trying to remember from way back in the day, but word was that mags that were susceptible to popping a round when inserted too hard on an open bolt had the date code on a particular side. I don't remember which side though
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I remember trying the aggressive insertion on an AUG but I never had any luck popping any rounds out.
It just dawned on me after reading mcantu's response and thinking about it later, I never got double feeds in today's experiment. It did happen to my buddy using my AUG(double feed)with green tip ammo but the mag used is unknown. If you look at my post above remember I never got double feeds, just failure to feed with the round jammed and looking like the bad ones on Jonathan's double feeds. Next weeks plan is reloads and greentip ammo since I got a big box of both and the domestic AUG mag that gave me fits today. Let's see if it runs fine with my target rounds. In the meantime I need to rip into my storage and find out how many of these lame mags I have before I try to figure out who to return them to. |
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Experiment - slow mo video of AUG firing sequence. AUG firing cycle
Be sure to hit the setting gear button, and run it at 0.25 speed, and at max resolution. Observe the gas port ejection flash as well |
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