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Posted: 4/23/2019 12:07:21 PM EDT
[#1]
its been what, four years?
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Posted: 4/23/2019 12:11:02 PM EDT
[#2]
I had totally written this thing off and moved on to other guns that excite me. Now this.
Geez, it’s like an old girlfriend coming back into your life. |
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Posted: 4/23/2019 12:11:45 PM EDT
[#3]
Somebody come in here and post the old pics?
I need something to drool over. |
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Posted: 4/23/2019 12:18:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2019 12:21:48 PM EDT
[#5]
I'll believe it when it's in my hands.
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Posted: 4/23/2019 12:24:58 PM EDT
[#6]
If it came in 10mm and was locked/delayed blowback, i would be so very tempted...
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Posted: 4/23/2019 1:12:39 PM EDT
[#7]
It’s “inertia delayed blowback”, release in May/June, per the comments on IG.
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Posted: 4/23/2019 1:20:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2019 1:23:54 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
It’s “inertia delayed blowback”, release in May/June, per the comments on IG. Never looked into it that much when they went quiet on it years ago.  SHOT Show 2016: "New" LWRC SMG-45 |
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Posted: 4/23/2019 3:54:53 PM EDT
[#10]
Two grand
Looks cool but I'll be passing |
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Posted: 4/23/2019 4:03:51 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'll believe it when it's in my hands. |
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Posted: 4/23/2019 6:27:23 PM EDT
[#12]
If it looks the 2016 offering! Take my money!
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Posted: 4/23/2019 9:57:22 PM EDT
[#13]
Vaporware
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Posted: 4/23/2019 10:25:49 PM EDT
[#14]
LoL $2000. Day late dollar short.
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Posted: 4/23/2019 10:45:09 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Instagram Post 
Very cool looking gun but $2995 MSRP?? Yikes. |
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Posted: 4/23/2019 11:04:10 PM EDT
[#16]
I agree, for that money get a apc 45 or ghm 45 and ammo
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Posted: 4/23/2019 11:46:32 PM EDT
[#17]
It's alive!
Pistol variants |
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Posted: 4/23/2019 11:53:04 PM EDT
[#18]
Well there ya go....
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Posted: 4/24/2019 7:11:14 AM EDT
[#19]
Missed the boat on MLOK...
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Posted: 4/24/2019 9:00:04 AM EDT
[#20]
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I agree, for that money get a apc 45 or ghm 45 and ammo |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 9:31:10 AM EDT
[#21]
Is it going to be 45 ACP only?
Will you be able to easily change calibers? For $3k I'd like the option for 9mm & 45 ACP. Maybe even 10mm. I've got an Octane 45 HD that I'd originally planned on using on this gun. I've had the suppressor for years now.. They should offer the B&T style 3-lugs on the barrels. |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 10:40:16 AM EDT
[#22]
The first variation was perfect and I've been waiting to scoop one up. This gun barely looks like the original and doesn't grab my attention nearly as much. There are still things I like about it, delay blowback and being chambered in .45, so it's a maybe...
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Posted: 4/24/2019 1:01:18 PM EDT
[#23]
why do they show it off years before it is ready for prime time?
I wanted it so bad when they first showed it off, now? Ill just buy a B&T |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 1:18:33 PM EDT
[#24]
Held the original years ago.
Dropping their awful stock is a good idea. $2000 isn't worth complaining about for guys that are buying MP5 clones or B&T nonsense. 45acp is dumb and they won't go anywhere with it. Let's see 9mm and in customers hands. |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 1:52:11 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOH YES
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Posted: 4/24/2019 1:52:21 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Held the original years ago. Dropping their awful stock is a good idea. $2000 isn't worth complaining about for guys that are buying MP5 clones or B&T nonsense. 45acp is dumb and they won't go anywhere with it. Let's see 9mm and in customers hands. 9mm would sell the most, but the longer barrel length begs for something that could benefit from it... 10mm, 7.62x25, etc. |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 1:58:59 PM EDT
[#27]
Now thats a name i havent heard in a long, long time....
Would have bought one if it was out 2 years ago |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 4:07:53 PM EDT
[#28]
I would pay $2000 for one in a heartbeat just to add it to my PCC SBR collection. Especially a 9mm version that would take scorpion magazines.
 ETA it looks like it would accept the UMP/B&T style stock/braces. Thats nice |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 5:45:56 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Held the original years ago. Dropping their awful stock is a good idea. $2000 isn't worth complaining about for guys that are buying MP5 clones or B&T nonsense. 45acp is dumb and they won't go anywhere with it. Let's see 9mm and in customers hands. |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 10:28:57 PM EDT
[#30]
It looks great.
That said, .45 acp + taking $50-$60 UMP mags = not for me. Now, they release the same gun in 9mm and takes Glock mags, very interested. |
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Posted: 4/25/2019 7:45:30 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting, looks like a mix of Stribog A3 inertia block AND a recoiling barrel. Never looked into it that much when they went quiet on it years ago.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEWBlWgjWWk |
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Posted: 4/25/2019 8:18:28 AM EDT
[#32]
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Assuming the current "release" model operates in the same way, does this mean you would have to use a piston to suppress this thing? |
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Posted: 4/25/2019 11:15:05 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
It looks great. That said, .45 acp + taking $50-$60 UMP mags = not for me. Now, they release the same gun in 9mm and takes Glock mags, very interested. |
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Posted: 4/25/2019 11:26:28 AM EDT
[#34]
I work for a LWRC distributor. Sounds like these are for real this time and will be shipping in the next couple of months. They will be fairly limited in production numbers. Dealer prices is well above the $2K number guys are tossing around. After the initial round of guys that pay ridiculous gunbroker prices to be the first guy on their block to have one my guess is that street price will be around $2400.
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Posted: 4/25/2019 12:04:59 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I work for a LWRC distributor. Sounds like these are for real this time and will be shipping in the next couple of months. They will be fairly limited in production numbers. Dealer prices is well above the $2K number guys are tossing around. After the initial round of guys that pay ridiculous gunbroker prices to be the first guy on their block to have one my guess is that street price will be around $2400. 
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Posted: 4/25/2019 1:37:39 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: MSRP is 3K, I'll be surprised if you can find them for $2400 in the near future.... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46781202375_73a5a685f6_z.jpg |
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Posted: 4/25/2019 1:40:16 PM EDT
[#37]
As long as the reviews are positive I'll be getting one of these in the factory SBR configuration.
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Posted: 4/25/2019 2:13:29 PM EDT
[#38]
Yup can't wait for all the details to come out this weekend at the NRA Annual Meetings!! As long as it runs like a top and eats whatever it's fed, I will definitely be getting one.
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Posted: 4/25/2019 6:23:29 PM EDT
[#39]
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lol, I'm all ears. You can look at my B&T comment there. Short version is that I've thrice been bitten by super spezial Swiss engineering enough to remember something... Over Engineering Is Bad Engineering. I'll keep an eye on the LWRC, they certainly have some elements correct. If they can ship a 9mm at a relatively decent price, well, that's what the MPX was supposed to be. |
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Posted: 4/25/2019 7:26:29 PM EDT
[#40]
I hope to get my hands on one of these at the NRA show tomorrow. I'm hoping for something good. I'd love to have a good .45 pcc that does delayed blowback.
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Posted: 4/26/2019 7:35:55 PM EDT
[#41]
TFB story from the convention showed a version with folding tube frame stock.
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Posted: 4/26/2019 7:58:23 PM EDT
[#42]
Price is 3K will come in 9mm later with USA made UMP mags (35.00 projected price)
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Posted: 4/27/2019 8:03:07 AM EDT
[#43]
 [NRA 2019] LWRC SMG-45: This New .45 SMG Takes H&K UMP Mags? I like it! Will stand by for some real world feedback. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 9:09:17 AM EDT
[#44]
I got to fondle these yesterday at the NRA show. I really like the ergo's and the balance. Both the brace and stocked versions feel great. Ambi controls. Non reciprocating and reversible charging handle. I like pretty much everything about these except the price and no MLOK.
EDIT: Came back to add another couple of thoughts. When I posted earlier I hadn't had my morning coffee yet  and was still tired from walking the floor all day at the NRA convention.
I was going to say I was concerned about the proprietary nature of this gun especially at the price point, but then remembered I own a couple of B&T guns so that shouldn't necessarily sway me . What might be more concerning is the potential complexity of the delayed blowback system and how well that system will hold up over time. The barrel is coupled to the breech block so the barrel moves rearward a short distance like on most handguns. This is explained in the TFB video above. It is very subtle, but watch closely right at the .55-.56 second mark. The LWRC rep places his thumb on the end of the barrel and pushes it inward (they showed me this when I visited the booth as well). The complexity and proprietary nature of the system I'm sure goes into the price, but I'd want to see if the system holds up over time before I spent that kind of money. And of course I'd want to know how well it actually works suppressed.
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Posted: 4/27/2019 4:14:44 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/APC9-pro-or-D54R-N/48-499287/?r=5116098&page=1&anc=5116098#i5116098 You can look at my B&T comment there. Short version is that I've thrice been bitten by super spezial Swiss engineering enough to remember something... Over Engineering Is Bad Engineering. I'll keep an eye on the LWRC, they certainly have some elements correct. If they can ship a 9mm at a relatively decent price, well, that's what the MPX was supposed to be. Straight blowback sux. I had high hopes for the LWRC 45 when I first handled it at Shot Show when it was first debuted but also really just wanted it in 9mm. Been waiting for years for something to rival the MP5. I've got a full auto post sample Sig MPX - shoots too fast and suppression sux. The CMMG Guard is good but I think it needs some tuning to surpass the MP5 which I have done and very happy with at this point....but if LWRC comes out with a delayed blowback 9mm, I'd probably get that too. |
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Posted: 4/28/2019 1:26:36 PM EDT
[#46]
Needs 3 lug like the B&T.
Release date announced? |
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Posted: 4/28/2019 3:03:03 PM EDT
[#47]
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Needs 3 lug like the B&T. Release date announced? |
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Posted: 4/28/2019 3:06:35 PM EDT
[#48]
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Lol. This is literally a meme. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It looks great. That said, .45 acp + taking $50-$60 UMP mags = not for me. Now, they release the same gun in 9mm and takes Glock mags, very interested. |
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Posted: 4/28/2019 3:12:42 PM EDT
[#49]
I've read the UMP was originally supposed to be delayed blowback, and if you look at the layout of the gun, this is basically a UMP lower with an MP5 tubular upper...which is what HK should have done all along. Making the upper aluminum, modular, & recoil operated is a strong upgrade from the MP5, particularly since they wisely made the barrel recoil axially. Should be very nice to shoot.
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Posted: 4/28/2019 4:17:28 PM EDT
[#50]
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Release date announced? |
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