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Posted: 5/12/2018 4:51:18 PM EDT
I'm looking for a IR Light/laser for my pistol. Main functions will be night shooting, maybe some hunting and maybe CW. Below is my set up right now. I plan on using the RDS. Should I get just a light or a light and laser. I do have a Lasermax IR which I could use, but then I don't have any illumination. But if I use illumination, would I have splashback or anything from the can? Ugh.... What should I be looking for? Then again I could always shoot unsuppressed.

Link Posted: 5/12/2018 4:54:31 PM EDT
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Nice set up very jealous
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 5:22:47 PM EDT
Surefire x400v irc
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 6:58:18 PM EDT
^^^2nd^^^ just be sure to get the B model it has the 350 lumen white light as well as IR light/laser
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 7:07:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MunnyShot:
^^^2nd^^^ just be sure to get the B model it has the 350 lumen white light as well as IR light/laser
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The above posters are correct.
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 7:21:33 PM EDT
Love the X400V-B-IRC. Get you some if you can swing the cash.

DSC_0162 by J M, on Flickr
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 7:28:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SBD2:
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Nice set up very jealous
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Ha! Thanks. Did you enjoy my raw slide with the nonslip shower gripper stuff? Super tier 1. And the optic mount is that Strike Industries GUM.

I don't have that many rounds shot on this setup, but I'm digging it.
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 7:31:47 PM EDT
Shit. Those aren't cheap..... What would your second choice be?
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 8:05:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DirtyHandsRob:
Shit. Those aren't cheap..... What would your second choice be?
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Streamlight TLR2 IR is IR laser/IR light @ 225-350 TLR2 IRW IR laser/white light same price.
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 10:43:23 PM EDT
Steiner makes several versions for pistols
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 10:45:09 PM EDT
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LASTAC2 0.1 mW IR precise IR targeting laser



Crimson Trace IR



LASTAC2 0.1mW IR compared to DBAL I2 0.7mW @ 175 yards, no bloom





Link Posted: 5/13/2018 1:00:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/13/2018 7:10:06 AM EDT
For a pistol at 25 yards it works great.
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Really? The LAS-TAC has been around for a zillion years. If they ain't fixed yet, they ain't gonna fix 'em.

EDIT: I was going to say, look at some reviews of the Steiner DBAL-PL. Seems like good capabilities, but the human interfaces are iffy. I don't have one.
Link Posted: 5/13/2018 11:14:24 AM EDT
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I have been using them on my Ruger 10-22s with great success too out 75 yards at night.



Link Posted: 5/14/2018 11:59:45 AM EDT
Very happy with my CMR-201 IR lasers. Have 4 of them I think. Shine out to 250 yards easily. I only use them for 50 yards and closer though. Only problem with these is they're discontinued so if you get one and it breaks, you're SOL.
Link Posted: 5/15/2018 11:26:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By carterbrunelle:
Surefire x400v irc
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I just got one and works great so far. Zeroing was much easier than I though. Seems to return to zero when removed/remounted by 2-3" on my Glock.

The ability to convert to 350 lm white light makes it very versatile. And I think it will work OK mounted to a long gun.

My only issue so far is finding a holster.
Link Posted: 5/16/2018 12:50:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

My only issue so far is finding a holster.
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I’m honestly considering starting to make holsters for this very reason. I can’t find anyone that makes a holster with this light that fits my needs.
Link Posted: 5/16/2018 12:57:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By carterbrunelle:

I’m honestly considering starting to make holsters for this very reason. I can’t find anyone that makes a holster with this light that fits my needs.
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Originally Posted By carterbrunelle:

I’m honestly considering starting to make holsters for this very reason. I can’t find anyone that makes a holster with this light that fits my needs.
Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

I just got one and works great so far. Zeroing was much easier than I though. Seems to return to zero when removed/remounted by 2-3" on my Glock.

The ability to convert to 350 lm white light makes it very versatile. And I think it will work OK mounted to a long gun.

My only issue so far is finding a holster.
Pm'd both of you on where I got my holster from.
Link Posted: 5/17/2018 6:03:38 PM EDT
I decided to buy a X300V from lapg. They had 20% off. Hopefully it comes in soon. I'll see how good I am with just illumination.
Link Posted: 5/17/2018 6:25:49 PM EDT
Why did you select a Sig P226?
Link Posted: 5/17/2018 6:37:24 PM EDT
I think if you have a rds then 300v is way to go and with little practice you can get pretty quick.

Link Posted: 5/17/2018 8:40:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

I just got one and works great so far. Zeroing was much easier than I though. Seems to return to zero when removed/remounted by 2-3" on my Glock.

The ability to convert to 350 lm white light makes it very versatile. And I think it will work OK mounted to a long gun.

My only issue so far is finding a holster.
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What kinda holster?

I'm wearing a Safariland duty holster for a 17/19+X400v this exact second and I got a couple kydex holsters from various places at home. They're out there.... they certainly weren't when I first got the light though
Link Posted: 5/18/2018 5:51:40 AM EDT
Are those night sights on your Glock? How do you like using an RDS with night sights cowitnessing with NODs?
Link Posted: 5/18/2018 10:31:39 AM EDT
They are not night sights, just black front and rear suppressor sights. I never saw the need to have night sights with an rds as the primary aiming point.
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:
Night Vision Pistol Shooting

X300U and T-1 Micro on my G17
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It's your gun, but that sure looks like a Trijicon RMR from here, not a T-1 Micro.
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Link Posted: 5/19/2018 1:53:37 AM EDT
Listen to Augee.

Huge benefit to that is having a gun that fits most standard holsters.

Very first time shooting a pistol under nods I was able to rock B/C steel at 75yds with a G19 that had an RMR07 and an X300V. It’s a great setup.

I find that out to 25yds I don’t need the illum. Beyond that I totally do to see through the glass of the optic.

Ek
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 1:58:48 AM EDT
I've got a PEQ-14 for my Mark 23, and I swapped the factory incandescent light for an LED module. It is acceptable.
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Originally Posted By Frost7:
I've got a PEQ-14 for my Mark 23, and I swapped the factory incandescent light for an LED module. It is acceptable.
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How did you mount it?

Planning on picking up a Mark 23 soon myself.
Link Posted: 5/19/2018 11:41:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NFA-Joe:
How did you mount it?

Planning on picking up a Mark 23 soon myself.
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Originally Posted By Frost7:
I've got a PEQ-14 for my Mark 23, and I swapped the factory incandescent light for an LED module. It is acceptable.
How did you mount it?

Planning on picking up a Mark 23 soon myself.
I asked around a bunch as to what the best pic adapter was for the Mark 23 and it was pretty much unanimously in favor of the HKParts one. Went with that, and it fits nice and snugly with no wobble and locks up tight to the threaded hole on the trigger guard.

There's also the model of the PEQ-14 made specifically for the Mark 23 with the screw mount built-in. I'd love to have that as the laser is closer to the bore and you don't need an adapter... but people are asking like $2500-5000 for the old commercial models with only visible light and laser. I haven't even seen an IR model for sale in the last two years but I imagine it'd be even higher.

Meanwhile new old stock IR-capable picatinny PEQ-14s are going around $1000. Still expensive, but reasonable considering what they are and only a tad more than a DBAL-PL.
Link Posted: 5/20/2018 12:11:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DirtyHandsRob:
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I have a Streamlight TLR-2 Eye safe on my FNP 45 tac and I like it a lot. It's a bit cheaper, but both the illuminator and laser are IR. I've no use for white light on that rig.
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Link Posted: 5/20/2018 9:08:06 AM EDT
Good discussion, and I wanted
to say, Great Photo!

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Originally Posted By dmjerrywest44:
Love the X400V-B-IRC. Get you some if you can swing the cash.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4178/34424745360_b26bd0b7a0_b.jpgDSC_0162 by J M, on Flickr
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Link Posted: 5/20/2018 11:09:04 AM EDT
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Front sight is a HiViz encapsulated fiber optic sight
Rear is a standard steel glock
Both are standard height which I usually sight over the tops of anyway.
Link Posted: 5/21/2018 12:15:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Frost7:
I've got a PEQ-14 for my Mark 23, and I swapped the factory incandescent light for an LED module. It is acceptable.
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Did you do the work to swap the LED module? Do you know what model or part # was used?
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder:
Did you do the work to swap the LED module? Do you know what model or part # was used?
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Originally Posted By Frost7:
I've got a PEQ-14 for my Mark 23, and I swapped the factory incandescent light for an LED module. It is acceptable.
Did you do the work to swap the LED module? Do you know what model or part # was used?
Yeah, the bulb is made to be easily user replaceable so it’s a piece of cake. Literally just popping the light off like you would do to change the batteries, open the lamp head and pull the bulb, drop the LED module in its place, and reassemble. Done in seconds without tools.

It’s the SIMX LED module from Lumens Factory. Works on all Insight LAM-xxxx lights and EOTech Mx lights.

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Link Posted: 5/23/2018 6:59:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Augee:
To be perfectly honest, if you're already using the RDS, I would consider just going with a light, maybe the X300V if you want IR illum capacity.

Not sure what ranges/what specific type of shooting you're wanting to do with this setup, but while the X400-series surely is some nice kit, it's both larger and bulkier than the X300-series, more complex with more switchology, and your vertical offset between the bore and the laser is pretty large with the laser mounted under the light.

Aiming passively through the RDS already on the pistol, you can set it up for day/night consistency, you can use the same presentation, and the same activation--no "switchology" to learn, and no new offsets between the RDS and the laser. You'll also find holsters easier to find (at least while unsuppressed, if you're concerned about such a thing).

The X400-series can be a very useful addition to make an iron-sighted pistol an effective night-fighting tool, but with an RDS, IMHO, you're just adding cost and complexity to your overall setup--passive aiming with an RDS on a pistol is also much simpler than doing so with a long-gun, as you have much less to worry about in terms of cheek-welds an equipment "traffic jams," you simply have to train and practice your presentation, which you have to do to adjust to a pistol mounted RDS anyways. With your NVD over your dominant eye, it should be the exact same presentation during the day assuming your NVD is properly aligned--the red dot should just "appear" in your FOV.

~Augee
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110% this.

The only reason I would ever spring for a X400 on a RDS equipped pistol is just as a redundent system. The more I play with a RMR09 in passive aiming even on a rifle in a high mount, the more I like it. On a pistol it is a no brainer.
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