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I got one when they first came out.
tried it, meh at best. If you cant afford f/a you can rationalize it as a "okay" upgraded for the price. the thing I do like about it is the AR style trigger. If they just made the box for a drop in AR trigger It would be tits IMO. Mines been sitting in a drawer for a year or so, |
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Skip the Dremel Go straight for something that actually looks decent and works well Before I got my BFS I thought they were pretty ghey and a gimmicky toy. I no longer think that. Mine has been great. The trigger pull is much improved too. https://i.imgur.com/tqJ7UpVh.jpg View Quote |
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I got one when they first came out. tried it, meh at best. If you cant afford f/a you can rationalize it as a "okay" upgraded for the price. the thing I do like about it is the AR style trigger. If they just made the box for a drop in AR trigger It would be tits IMO. Mines been sitting in a drawer for a year or so, View Quote I think the only hold up with making boxes for HK that house ar15 FCG is the hammer length. From memory its much shorter than a HK hammer. Would be great to drop in a geissele trigger though |
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I have them in my POF 5, OM9K and Scorpion K. I think it's an enhanced shooting experience. Friends that have tried it liked the double taps.
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Skip the Dremel Go straight for something that actually looks decent and works well Before I got my BFS I thought they were pretty ghey and a gimmicky toy. I no longer think that. Mine has been great. The trigger pull is much improved too. https://i.imgur.com/tqJ7UpVh.jpg View Quote |
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For me, in all the hours of training I have had, if there is a problem/cease fire on the range, the first thing I do is pull my finger out of the trigger guard. Then I engage the safety. So with a bionary trigger, I am bound to have an AD if I am in the middle of the cycle. That is why I have no interest in one. Just like training with a Glock and then using a pistol with an external safety. When I pull the pistol up to fire it I have to remember to release the safety. Bad things can happen if there is an emergency situation using a system that operates differently than how you trained.
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Mine is soooo much fun and noticeably improves the stock trigger when using in semi.
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For me, in all the hours of training I have had, if there is a problem/cease fire on the range, the first thing I do is pull my finger out of the trigger guard. Then I engage the safety. So with a bionary trigger, I am bound to have an AD if I am in the middle of the cycle. That is why I have no interest in one. Just like training with a Glock and then using a pistol with an external safety. When I pull the pistol up to fire it I have to remember to release the safety. Bad things can happen if there is an emergency situation using a system that operates differently than how you trained. Scott View Quote Of course semi is always still an option |
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Quoted: I did pick up a set of the custom smith levers, but they don't match up with the SEF markings on my housing. Guess I'll need a pictogram housing. Are the safety detents on yours really weak? My safety levers can be moved very easily, too easy IMHO. View Quote But honestly Im happy with mine. They are positive but can be moved more easily. They are much more like my AR15 safety which is also easy to move from safe to fire(weight wise) |
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I don't see me using the binary setting much (last famous words) but the improved trigger even in semi auto has me interested. However, when I picked up my SP5 I was pleasantly surprised out how good it felt so I'm planning to leave it alone for the time being.
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I don't see me using the binary setting much (last famous words) but the improved trigger even in semi auto has me interested. However, when I picked up my SP5 I was pleasantly surprised out how good it felt so I'm planning to leave it alone for the time being. View Quote The semi feel is a welcome improvement. |
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Quoted: Its honestly pretty fun. Really depends on how much ammo I want to go through which setting I use more. You can really go through a mag quick with the binary The semi feel is a welcome improvement. View Quote |
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Quoted: My other issue would be where I could shoot it. If I had my own property I'd probably own one. Can't really do the double taps at the public ranges. I like that it gives you the option of binary without giving up semi and you pick up a nicer trigger. View Quote I hate indoor ranges, but mine atleast let me mag dump to my hearts desire. I mean assuming youre not doing something dumb that is. They even have a rental M16 in 9mm thingy, but I have seen that out less and less in the display. Ive never had an issue anywhere Ive shot with the binary. Granted its in my SD so half the time they might not even know its going down |
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In binary mode, I'm assuming you can't rotate the selector lever back onto safe when the trigger is depressed (thus preventing the second round from discharging upon trigger release)?
Not a huge issue, but I can understand the concern if the line had to go cold ASAP. I don't mind the factory trigger in my PTR but it's a bit spongy and the reset is long/lazy. This is an appealing option since it's just a range toy for me. |
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Not so. You can definitely switch to safe while keeping the trigger depressed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: My other issue would be where I could shoot it. If I had my own property I'd probably own one. Can't really do the double taps at the public ranges. I like that it gives you the option of binary without giving up semi and you pick up a nicer trigger. View Quote Having said all that, I bought it anyways, just because I could. |
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Quoted: This is pretty much where I'm at as well. The club I belong to specifically prohibits binary triggers/bump firing or any trigger activators. The indoor ranges around here might let me get away with a double tap or two, but a mag dump wouldn't be cool. It's exactly the same reason I don't won anything full auto. There isn't anywhere to shoot it. Having said all that, I bought it anyways, just because I could. View Quote |
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Quoted: I think people who haven't used a binary trigger don't understand how quickly those two rounds are being shot. Splits are a few hundredths of a second at most when you're shooting this thing. I honestly can't think of a scenario where using the binary is going to involve having the trigger held back with a second shot waiting to go, unless you're using the binary incorrectly. View Quote |
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Skip the Dremel Go straight for something that actually looks decent and works well Before I got my BFS I thought they were pretty ghey and a gimmicky toy. I no longer think that. Mine has been great. The trigger pull is much improved too. https://i.imgur.com/tqJ7UpVh.jpg View Quote |
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Quoted: @chase45 , would you be able to post photos in the semi and binary positions? I want to see how well they line up with that picto lower. I have my BFS setup exactly like OP, standard levers in a SEF pack. Really wanting the picto, just curious how well it lines up with those aftermarket levers. View Quote It is only noticeably off on the safe position and even then its close enough Ill try and remember to throw up some pics tonight |
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Quoted: They line up very well with the semi and 'auto' marking on my picto. It is only noticeably off on the safe position and even then its close enough Ill try and remember to throw up some pics tonight View Quote This thread needs some videos / gifs. Below two links are buddies of mine first time shooting the suppressed binary MP5. Click the sound icon to include sound. https://imgur.com/kIltywb https://imgur.com/gZdunEY |
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Quoted: My other issue would be where I could shoot it. If I had my own property I'd probably own one. Can't really do the double taps at the public ranges. I like that it gives you the option of binary without giving up semi and you pick up a nicer trigger. View Quote |
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Just ordered one! I had zero interest in binary triggers but this thread convinced me to give it a go.
If it's cool with OP I'll add my impressions to this thread once I can get it up and running. |
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Do you shoot suppressed? My indoor range doesn't like doubles too much either, but when shooting suppressed on the line with other unsuppressed guns no one can hear me doing the doubles or quads. The RO doesn't know unless he were to be standing right behind me and watching. It's just too damn quiet. View Quote |
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For me, in all the hours of training I have had, if there is a problem/cease fire on the range, the first thing I do is pull my finger out of the trigger guard. Then I engage the safety. So with a bionary trigger, I am bound to have an AD if I am in the middle of the cycle. That is why I have no interest in one. Just like training with a Glock and then using a pistol with an external safety. When I pull the pistol up to fire it I have to remember to release the safety. Bad things can happen if there is an emergency situation using a system that operates differently than how you trained. Scott View Quote I own pistols with different attributes (some with selector safeties, some without, different trigger modes - P-99AS - some with grip safeties, without, safeties that go up for safe, others go down for safe, with/without decockers, etc.), so I just make a conscience effort to remember which one I'm enjoying and how it works. Glock is what I always carry though. Not ragging on you though. |
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@JSchell1309 This is how it lines up on my Navy housing.
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@JSchell1309 This is how it lines up on my Navy housing. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/120485/IMG_20200123_210436_jpg-1246848.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/120485/IMG_20200123_210427_jpg-1246849.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/120485/IMG_20200123_210419_jpg-1246850.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/120485/IMG_20200123_210603_jpg-1246851.JPG View Quote I wish Franklin made an additional safety lever with an updated drum that had the detents rotationally spaced to match a picto lower. I know they designed this drum to work with SEF lower and match their rotation angles. I did order the levers this week as well as a Navy picto lower. I'm almost half inclined to order one of those blank Navy lowers and have it custom laser engraved to have the picto markings exactly match the rotation angles of the safety. |
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My BFS arrived today and I'll be installing it tonight for use sometime this coming week.
First impression: the machining and build quality is quite nicely done, purely from a visual standpoint. It'll be going into a PTR 9C host. |
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Quoted: Excellent, thank you for the photos. I also found this HKPRO forum thread and your photos match up with his as well. I wish Franklin made an additional safety lever with an updated drum that had the detents rotationally spaced to match a picto lower. I know they designed this drum to work with SEF lower and match their rotation angles. I did order the levers this week as well as a Navy picto lower. I'm almost half inclined to order one of those blank Navy lowers and have it custom laser engraved to have the picto markings exactly match the rotation angles of the safety. View Quote The one that's notably off is the safe position But the others are so close I used mine again this weekend Its great |
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How much of an improvement is the semi auto trigger? I have just above zero interest in the binary side but would love an improvement in the trigger.
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Quoted: @sobe and @chase45, I just wanted to join to cool club. Thanks for the photos on those. I got mine all setup tonight and have to agree, it's a much better setup than the factory garbage levers. One thing I did to the Custom Smith levers is hit the mounting holes with a drill bit and twisted it by hand. This added a good chamfer inside the holes and allowed the fasteners to sit more flush when installed. One odd thing is the right side of the receiver the levers line up well with the markings. The left side is a little more off. Wonder if it's the markings to the levers that makes the left side off. I ordered a German HK Ambi Pictogram from gatewood supply so I feel the lower should be solid. Not too worried about it though, like you said chase.. it's close enough and looks much better than before. https://i.imgur.com/9XRjMUh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/p8tSQUO.jpg View Quote |
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How much of an improvement is the semi auto trigger? I have just above zero interest in the binary side but would love an improvement in the trigger. View Quote Mine had a little burr, but I seem to be the one off on this case. I installed my buddies and man his trigger was great feeling Anyways I stoned mine a bit and after some use its a really nice trigger pull comparatively |
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How much of an improvement is the semi auto trigger? I have just above zero interest in the binary side but would love an improvement in the trigger. View Quote If this was bought for $500 I would break it down as a $100 improvement on the single stage and a $400 ability to shoot binary. Maybe I am spoiled by excellent AR triggers and their abundance, but it's hard to say the single stage improvement is worth more than $100-$150 on this trigger. You could always look for one for a used price and try it out. If you don't like it you can always offload it for what you have in it. Luckily they hold their value. |
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How much of an improvement is the semi auto trigger? I have just above zero interest in the binary side but would love an improvement in the trigger. View Quote |
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Are they any better than the AR version? View Quote It takes some practice to get the rhythm to mag dump it well. You cannot just jam on the trigger and get "full auto" like fire. There will be a cadence that you will pick up. Most people when they first try it they want to pull as fast as they can like a single action trigger to dump it fast. It's not necessary. By just going smoothly it will want to fire fast on it's own. Doubles and quads are effortless and are really where this trigger shines. |
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Looking forward to getting one.
I had one on a pistol caliber AR and sold it at a loss. Too easy to end up with a dead trigger. |
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Got my BFS out to the range this morning. I must say, pretty damn fun. It works as it should on semi and doesn't go bang on safe, which is obviously of critical importance.
Binary mode is interesting...I'm not usually one to mag dump but it certainly works for that purpose if you're so inclined. Hammered pairs or quads couldn't be easier, which is the primary reason I bought this in the first place. I never out-ran the trigger despite my best efforts so it appears GTG in that regard. As many have noted the fastest way to fire it does *not* involve pulling the trigger as fast as is possible. It requires a cadence that will take some time to get down pat. That said, when you do get the cadence right, it's capable of very, very fast shooting. |
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I had my K clone out with the BFS yesterday trying out my recently cleared Omega 9k and the experience was exhilarating. The downside was that I only bought 250 rds and left wanting much more.
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I'm trying. The list cost is helping, but a decent sale price might make that harder. What are the typical sale prices dropping it down to? View Quote I've only been able to shoot it once so far but am impressed and happy with my purchase. |
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Is there any reason this wouldn't work with a POF MP5? I have a binary in my Scorpion EVO and love it - it has never given me trouble and really enjoy it.
Ammo costs did go up though. |
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