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6/25/2018 7:04:05 PM
Posted: 5/10/2018 4:28:42 AM EDT
I'm ready to place an order for a MAWL from TNVC... I already have a nice surefire that will fit nicely on the MK18 rail with it for a white light.

Is there ANY reason I should order a DBAL A4 instead?
Link Posted: 5/10/2018 9:21:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/10/2018 9:30:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/10/2018 9:30:36 AM EDT by carterbrunelle]
Originally Posted By HRoark:
I'm ready to place an order for a MAWL from TNVC... I already have a nice surefire that will fit nicely on the MK18 rail with it for a white light.

Is there ANY reason I should order a DBAL A4 instead?
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Heads up, they’re not in stock and it could be 2 months before they’re back. Not a knock on TNVC, literally everyone is sold out.
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Originally Posted By cowboy:
First post nails it.

Finest civilian laser on the market, better than several full power lasers for most applications.
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Originally Posted By cowboy:
Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:
nope
First post nails it.

Finest civilian laser on the market, better than several full power lasers for most applications.
Agree 100%
Link Posted: 5/10/2018 12:21:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:
It sucks that it can take that long, but I chuckle remembering the haters saying "these will never sell, they is no reason to charge that much etc. etc."

Amazing laser, nothing it cant do. I personally own 2.
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Of course they sell.....when you get four in stock every two months.
Link Posted: 5/10/2018 1:08:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/10/2018 1:41:05 PM EDT
Hi Folks, I don’t post too much here but I’ve been in the same boat for a while debating on what my first laser should be considering this is my first dance with NV.

Purchased a set Mini BNVD’s L3 Filmless WP and really had my heart set on a full powered PEQ15.

I read a 5 page pissing battle on this forum about some guy pooping on the MAWL and defending the Full Power PEQ15. TNVC, and rightfully so, had none of it especially given this guy never actually used a MAWL.

After doing my research obsessively, I concluded that MAWL really was the way to go.

Most video through NV i found is garbage but TNVC has some type of instructional video and in Part 2, around the 30min mark, there is actually excellent footage of the MAWL’s Illuminator and even compared to a full power PEQ15 and Civi DBAL.

Let’s say that the deal was done after that. The full power PEQ15 has a very powerful pointer, but the reality is that can also be a drawback in certain situations. The Illuminator on the MAWL was simply unreal and so clean without weird spots and shadows, which the other two devices clearly presented. Instant switching from CQB to long, I think is unreal. Focusing just looks like a pain in the ass and inefficient.

The comments from the person filming still indicated the vid doesn’t do it justice so I’m just patiently waiting for my FDE MAWL to ship, apparently at the end of this month!
Link Posted: 5/10/2018 1:42:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FullAutoHound:

Of course they sell.....when you get four in stock every two months.
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:

So you have access to our purchase orders and how many TNVC is contracted to receive every month? Man thats great would you mind helping out with the phones
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DDDDDDDAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMNNNNNNN!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:
So you have access to our purchase orders and how many TNVC is contracted to receive every month? Man thats great would you mind helping out with the phones
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:
Originally Posted By FullAutoHound:

Of course they sell.....when you get four in stock every two months.
So you have access to our purchase orders and how many TNVC is contracted to receive every month? Man thats great would you mind helping out with the phones
Will work for MAWL.....

Link Posted: 5/11/2018 1:06:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/11/2018 1:06:28 AM EDT by HRoark]
Thanks for the input everyone.

I ordered one. Figure I'll be waiting for a while, but as long as I waited for my mtek ballistic, how bad can this be?
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Originally Posted By TNVC:

NOT that bad, that I can tell ya.
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Still looking like 8 or so weeks?
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 7:15:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/12/2018 7:15:49 AM EDT by felixjr001]
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Originally Posted By carterbrunelle:

Still looking like 8 or so weeks?
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As far as my order for an FDE and the follow up email stating approx 8 weeks and asking if thats ok, (of course it is), yes about 8 or so weeks.

ETA Email was yesterday Fri 5/11
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 12:26:19 PM EDT
I'm issued a full power PEQ-15 at work and paid full retail for a MAWL C+ to use instead because it is that much better.
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Originally Posted By stefbo:
I'm issued a full power PEQ-15 at work and paid full retail for a MAWL C+ to use instead because it is that much better.
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I see a lot of people repeating this sentiment since the switching, illumination, and visible laser are better on the MAWL than the PEQ-15. The only real advantage seems to be the laser. Are there any instances other than designating targets where the more powerful laser would be useful? In high-ambient light settings (street lights, etc) would the stronger laser be anymore useful?
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 6:14:45 PM EDT
My full power PEQ-15 is virtually worthless for any targeting due to extreme bloom, whereas my MAWL is totally worth it all the time.
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 7:11:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By californiasushi:
I see a lot of people repeating this sentiment since the switching, illumination, and visible laser are better on the MAWL than the PEQ-15. The only real advantage seems to be the laser. Are there any instances other than designating targets where the more powerful laser would be useful? In high-ambient light settings (street lights, etc) would the stronger laser be anymore useful?
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Originally Posted By californiasushi:
Originally Posted By stefbo:
I'm issued a full power PEQ-15 at work and paid full retail for a MAWL C+ to use instead because it is that much better.
I see a lot of people repeating this sentiment since the switching, illumination, and visible laser are better on the MAWL than the PEQ-15. The only real advantage seems to be the laser. Are there any instances other than designating targets where the more powerful laser would be useful? In high-ambient light settings (street lights, etc) would the stronger laser be anymore useful?
Lasoing for signaling and identification maybe? Having used PEQ-4C's, PEQ-2A's, and PEQ15's as an Army grunt for 22 years and PEQ-15's and the MAWL C+ as a cop, I haven't encountered a time in CONUS LE work that I wish I had my PEQ-15 on my rifle vs the MAWL.
Link Posted: 5/13/2018 10:23:29 AM EDT
I'm 3 weeks into my wait for a tan MAWL.
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Originally Posted By stefbo:

Lasoing for signaling and identification maybe? Having used PEQ-4C's, PEQ-2A's, and PEQ15's as an Army grunt for 22 years and PEQ-15's and the MAWL C+ as a cop, I haven't encountered a time in CONUS LE work that I wish I had my PEQ-15 on my rifle vs the MAWL.
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Thank you for sharing your experience, sounds like the MAWL is definitely the way to go then since you're not giving up anything to the PEQ and only getting better features/specs.
Link Posted: 5/13/2018 4:29:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By californiasushi:

I see a lot of people repeating this sentiment since the switching, illumination, and visible laser are better on the MAWL than the PEQ-15. The only real advantage seems to be the laser. Are there any instances other than designating targets where the more powerful laser would be useful? In high-ambient light settings (street lights, etc) would the stronger laser be anymore useful?
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Punching through windows to illuminate what's inside of a room or car, fog, street/bright lights, and if you had a LA-5 the visible Hi Power setting will do the same during daylight hours. Most of the reasons will be geared for Mil/SWAT or "SKYPUP" work

One more great feature of the MAWL that usually is not mentioned is your zero one laser and your also zero the other laser and illuminator automatically.

One of the biggest downside to a high power laser is the beam can easily be traced back to the source.
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Originally Posted By Firefighter503:
I'm 3 weeks into my wait for a tan MAWL.
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It's here!

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Need to order lower pro BUIS, as the MAWL does not jive with the MBUS. Anyone know if it works with the MBUS Pros?
Link Posted: 7/8/2018 5:29:51 PM EDT
Who wants to buy my atpial so I can buy a MAWL?
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I really hope that means mine will show up in 3 more weeks!
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You didn't get the upgraded tail cap?
Link Posted: 7/11/2018 3:47:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By brodband8:

You didn't get the upgraded tail cap?
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They changed the tail cap?
Link Posted: 7/11/2018 6:22:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ShadowAngel:

They changed the tail cap?
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Yes you can get the upgrade when you order a mawl 100 dollars more.

If you have to order it by itself later it’s more expensive.

It basically makes it to where the mawl can’t come apart when changing the battery by adding a thread off battery cap.

Also avoids any potential zero shift when changing batteries.
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Originally Posted By brodband8:

Yes you can get the upgrade when you order a mawl 100 dollars more.

If you have to order it by itself later it’s more expensive.

It basically makes it to where the mawl can’t come apart when changing the battery by adding a thread off battery cap.

Also avoids any potential zero shift when changing batteries.
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So, the $2500 laser requires a $100 extra part so that it won't potentially come apart or lose zero when changing the battery? I came really close to buying one of these a couple months ago but could not justify it over what I already have. That would've been a bit irritating to find all that out after spending enough to buy another PVS-14. I guess most products aren't perfect right out of the gate, but that is a lot of money for a laser to be needing extra $ to solve a problem.
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while I would love to have a MAWL instead of spending all that money on one laser I guess im the guy that would rather buy two ATPIAL-C's than one MAWL for the same price.

im very happy with my ATPIAL-C
since I have changed from a quad rail to a BCM MCMR rail I dont need to run a tape switch to reach the fire button either.
Link Posted: 7/12/2018 12:54:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By brodband8:

You didn't get the upgraded tail cap?
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Didn't see it as an option when I ordered it.. hope there isn't a huge shift when changing out the battery, that would be really annoying.
Link Posted: 7/12/2018 12:56:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By xLucidx:
while I would love to have a MAWL instead of spending all that money on one laser I guess im the guy that would rather buy two ATPIAL-C's than one MAWL for the same price.

im very happy with my ATPIAL-C
since I have changed from a quad rail to a BCM MCMR rail I dont need to run a tape switch to reach the fire button either.
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I have an ATPIAL-C as well, but found that it wasn't always enough illumination out to the distances I wanted to shoot. The ATPIAL-C will stay on the SBR, and this will move around between rifles that I am shooting longer distance.
Link Posted: 7/12/2018 2:15:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Firefighter503:
Didn't see it as an option when I ordered it.. hope there isn't a huge shift when changing out the battery, that would be really annoying.
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I haven't noticed ANY shift. These have been on the market for awhile, and can't say i've ever seen any people that actually have one complaining about huge zero shifts or the thing falling apart when changing the battery out.
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