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Posted: 5/27/2017 9:28:51 PM EDT
This is a project I have contemplated for years. Imagine a remote control tank with video for the driver as well as gunner and you build it with a working torrent that fired.
I don't know what round as I am not sure I have the skill or physical capability to do it much less the money but imagine anywhere from a 9mm for the small size on up to say a 50 BMG, I think that a gun like this would fit the AOW category. Obviously it couldn't be built with a trigger that could operate full auto by a non-SOT holder. I find myself unemployed at this time due to medical issues so I have time to think and it's a bad combination but imagine wheeling a tank around a range shooting targets or stalking groundhogs or even wild hogs with a tank. Add night vision and oh baby the fun. Hell, even DOD might like a mini tank setup 
Anyways, anybody have a guess if this would be an AOW? I'd love to send a Form 1 for a 50 BMG Mini Tank and get a call from BATFE asking exactly what I am building! |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/31/2017 10:47:27 AM EDT
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If it has an electronic trigger - it is a MG
I don't know how you'd build a remote control tank without an electronic trigger |
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Posted: 5/31/2017 11:01:45 AM EDT
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That is where I was struggling. So even if the mechanism could never fire automatically all electronic activated triggers are mgs?
Oh well, not like I had time for this anyways. |
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Posted: 5/31/2017 1:58:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Quarterbore:
That is where I was struggling. So even if the mechanism could never fire automatically all electronic activated triggers are mgs? Remington offered an electrically-fired 700. If the R/C gun could self-reload, I think the reloading action would need to be triggered by a separate switch or control input. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 12:54:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crazyelece:
If it has an electronic trigger - it is a MG I don't know how you'd build a remote control tank without an electronic trigger As far as the potential AOW issue, I would believe as long as the tank itself is over 26" long it should be title I. It's not concealable, and it''s a tank. It''s not disguised as a non firearm object |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 1:09:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fsjdw2]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder:
Nope; that would only apply in mechanisms where the electronic trigger could render the firearm to fire fully automatically more than one round. Remington offered an electrically-fired 700. late 90's IIRC If the R/C gun could self-reload, I think the reloading action would need to be triggered by a separate switch or control input. 
ALso why build a tank? a TANK is designed to take hits and keep in the fight because there is a crew in side. why not save a TON of weight (literally) and figureativly, and simply make an unarmored drone(IE like bomb robot used in dallas), "sir we have a high risk mission" "send in the mini tank" VS "send in a squad" "oh no it got blown up, we have to write a letter to the golf cart that gave up a battery and the m16 reciver we had bolted to it..." VS "mrs jones..." |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 1:32:56 PM EDT
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Well, because a 5 foot long mini M1A1 tank would be cool looking and fun to shoot. Sure, perhaps .mil wouldn't care as they have robots that do this. For .civ I do think it would make a fun retirement project.
Pissed at myself as a few years back I was preparing for divorce and sold my Bridgeporti mill, metal lathe, and other heavy duty metal working tools. I lack the equipment now to even seriously consider it like I was before 
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OH, USA
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Posted: 6/5/2017 3:19:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ShooterPatriot:
Can you provide a cite for that claim? As far as the potential AOW issue, I would believe as long as the tank itself is over 26" long it should be title I. It's not concealable, and it''s a tank. It''s not disguised as a non firearm object If it was a single shot, or at least not an auto-loader, it may be ok. If it had a bore less than .50" and was longer than 26" it wouldn't be a DD or an AOW, likely just classified as a "firearm" |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 6/5/2017 3:39:41 PM EDT
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Do it with a black powder cannon.
That would be cool. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/5/2017 4:05:06 PM EDT
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I've seen this done on various TV shows. Keep in mind, not a lawyer, so research further. You electronically activate a mechanical trigger. so push a button, that pushes an actuator and the actuator is what pushed the trigger. you can just slap an existing Glock or AR into it and go to town.
HOWEVER: there was a guy that did this with a basic drone. as far as I know the FBI/BATFE showed up at his house and started asking questions. not sure how it ultimately turned out. |
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Posted: 6/5/2017 7:25:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ShooterPatriot]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crazyelece:
Do some research, ATF has stated an electronic trigger is "readily convertible" and therefore is a machine gun Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crazyelece:
Originally Posted By ShooterPatriot:
Can you provide a cite for that claim? As far as the potential AOW issue, I would believe as long as the tank itself is over 26" long it should be title I. It's not concealable, and it''s a tank. It''s not disguised as a non firearm object http://m.imgur.com/a/vt2Qz There is also a member here who makes a bullpup with an electronic trigger based on a 10/22. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_43/428429_What_has_a_barrel_length_of_16_1__an_OAL_of_26_3__and_yet_fits_in_a_23_long_box_.html |
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Posted: 6/5/2017 9:17:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Quarterbore]
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I have absolutely thought about a single shot. I also looked at a well used snowblower on tracks that would have made for a heck of a base. I also found a few 1919A4 barrels I have in my parts bin (30/06) that might be fun to figure out a way to build an action.
First I decided to wrap up a few AK builds I never finished and an AR CMP 22lr style build. Later I will give this more thought and I don't mind sending the BATFE a letter verifying if this would be an AOW or not and perhaps even if a repeater is possible. A short 5 - 10 round belt for a 1919 as a turret would be fun but expensive! |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 10:35:25 PM EDT
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An r/c anything with a working firearm isn't something I would want anywhere near me. Seen r/c models go totally bonkers and out of control of the operator.
Although did hear of a guy who put a semi-auto pistol on a rc helicopter with remote firing and put a video of it online. Needless to say heard he got visited by a few of the alphabet agencies. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 10:49:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GriswoldGuns]
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If you did 6-8 black powder barrels (like that small tank with recoiless rifles on it) and ignited each charge with the model rocket igniters, wouldn't that be ok? Blunderbusses and wood and brass exterior if you want to class it up.
Or could you use a pneumatic weapon and also avoid legal issues? Some of those big bore air rifles pack a punch. ETA: the tank I was thinking is the M50 Ontos. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 11:04:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/17/2017 11:06:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob940:
An r/c anything with a working firearm isn't something I would want anywhere near me. Seen r/c models go totally bonkers and out of control of the operator.
This bird is a MG. 
 Unmanned Mini-Helicopter Gets 'Weaponized' with AA-12 Shotgun http://www.autocopter.us/Gunship.htm Plenty of contact info here. I'd ask them about registering something smaller than a full auto 12ga. Or write ATF. Seriously, I don't see it hurting anything. |
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