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Posted: 1/29/2022 8:15:45 PM EDT
Obviously writing letters to the ATF is frowned upon as it can have negative effects to other owners however there are very few if any other owners of functional Panzerfausts on the registry. When I first built it, I form 1 mine as a DD in abundance of caution due to writing a book on the topic however reviewing the laws, I’m confident it does not meet the definition of a firearm, let alone a DD.
the fact that the primer is located separately from the ammunition then I think since it can’t fire fixed ammunition then it’s classified as a simple muzzle loader.  I don’t see any difference between the two below , other than one uses the barrel to hold the propellant and the other holds the propellant in a paper tubing and that is because there’s no breach. Just like the PIAT, I’d like the panzerfaust off the registry.   Should I write to the ATF to state the case in lots of detail that my NFA item does not meet the definition of a destructive device and I’d like it removed from the registry ? Any recommendations for NFA attorneys |
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Posted: 1/29/2022 8:34:58 PM EDT
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good luck!
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Posted: 1/30/2022 11:39:10 AM EDT
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I think that the ATF now requires a physical inspection of the complete weapon before they will give an opinion. I don't think that the tech branch will respond to just letters anymore.
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Posted: 1/30/2022 11:52:04 AM EDT
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Godspeed
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Posted: 2/10/2022 2:34:35 AM EDT
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I emailed them regarding the definition of fixed ammunition based on the Panzerfaust design. It does not use fixed ammunition and in my opinion does not fit the definition of a firearm and no longer a DD. I am not lawyer so use this information at your own risk. I plan to submit an letter with this email chain to the ATF in order have the DD removed from the registry.
 
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Posted: 2/11/2022 9:29:13 PM EDT
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Glad that you got a response!
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Posted: 2/12/2022 11:04:23 AM EDT
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Time to dig up the gyrojet article....
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Posted: 2/22/2022 7:54:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: Obviously writing letters to the ATF is frowned upon as it can have negative effects to other owners however there are very few if any other owners of functional Panzerfausts on the registry. When I first built it, I form 1 mine as a DD in abundance of caution due to writing a book on the topic however reviewing the laws, I’m confident it does not meet the definition of a firearm, let alone a DD. the fact that the primer is located separately from the ammunition then I think since it can’t fire fixed ammunition then it’s classified as a simple muzzle loader. https://i.imgur.com/iKkCkRs.jpg I don’t see any difference between the two below , other than one uses the barrel to hold the propellant and the other holds the propellant in a paper tubing and that is because there’s no breach. Just like the PIAT, I’d like the panzerfaust off the registry. https://i.imgur.com/CIdQkQT.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lu6FPP0.jpg Should I write to the ATF to state the case in lots of detail that my NFA item does not meet the definition of a destructive device and I’d like it removed from the registry ? Any recommendations for NFA attorneys I actually did exactly that. I also inquired about the RPG2 (which is a muzzle loading black powder firearm without fixed ammunition). I wrote a separate letter inquiring about whether the Carl G actually had to be registered, as Congress passed a bill which the president signed into law exempting from the definition of DDs rifles which the OWNER (not ATF) intended to use for recreational, cultural, or sporting purposes. I was a federal criminal investigator for another agency in their Washington Field Office at the time. I got a call at my desk at work from the deputy director of ATF enforcement branch and the head of FIrearms and Technology telling me they would not answer my letters in writing, and that there was no scenario wherein they would implicitly or explicitly acknowledge any such devices may be NFA exempt. I'll be very interested to see their response when you ask for a formal determination. |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 8:24:51 AM EDT
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Insert meme of sweating ATF guy needing to decide between which one of two buttons to push.
Amazing work…thanks for plugging away at this |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 1:33:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually did exactly that. I was a federal criminal investigator for another agency in their Washington Field Office at the time. I got a call at my desk at work from the deputy director of ATF enforcement branch and the head of FIrearms and Technology telling me they would not answer my letters in writing, and that there was no scenario wherein they would implicitly or explicitly acknowledge any such devices may be NFA exempt. I'll be very interested to see their response when you ask for a formal determination. Did any of the three Arfcom projects pay off, or similar issues? |
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Posted: 2/22/2022 11:10:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did any of the three Arfcom projects pay off, or similar issues? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I actually did exactly that. I was a federal criminal investigator for another agency in their Washington Field Office at the time. I got a call at my desk at work from the deputy director of ATF enforcement branch and the head of FIrearms and Technology telling me they would not answer my letters in writing, and that there was no scenario wherein they would implicitly or explicitly acknowledge any such devices may be NFA exempt. I'll be very interested to see their response when you ask for a formal determination. Did any of the three Arfcom projects pay off, or similar issues? Neither yet- these sorts of projects take years. They take longer when you spend the majority of your time overseas, with much of that in dangerous places where your focus is on work. I'm in the former Soviet union for the next few years- so progress is going to be dependent on others. |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 11:39:17 PM EDT
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Are the threads archived?
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