How to Form 1 an 80% lower engraved to look like a Colt clone?

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Posted: 5/4/2022 12:36:11 AM EDT

I have a completed 80% lower that I did that has been engraved to look like a Colt XM177E2 receiver, but has a custom serial number on it. What's the proper way to fill out the make and model for this on the eForm 1?

Posted: 5/4/2022 1:26:19 AM EDT

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If you made it, you are the manufacturer, doesn't matter what the picture is.
Use existing serial.

Posted: 5/4/2022 1:49:31 AM EDT

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I have a completed 80% lower that I did that has been engraved to look like a Colt XM177E2 receiver, but has a custom serial number on it. What's the proper way to fill out the make and model for this on the eForm 1?

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Whatever number you put on it is the identifier. I'd call it what it is. A Colt clone. That should be fine.

I also just did an eform 1 for an SBR, and was totally surprized how easy it was. The scheduled turnaround is only 2 months. I got FBI fingerprint forms off Amazon in under 48 hours and sent them in by certified mail so I have proof they received them.

Posted: 5/4/2022 6:56:32 AM EDT

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I have a completed 80% lower that I did that has been engraved to look like a Colt XM177E2 receiver, but has a custom serial number on it. What's the proper way to fill out the make and model for this on the eForm 1?

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You are the Maker (not Manufacturer as was previously said).

Model is whatever you engraved as the Model, or N/A if you didn’t designate a model name.

Serial number is the one you chose.

For eForms, you’ll choose FMI as the Manufacturer Code for a firearm you created (which is the current situation for an 80% lower).

Posted: 5/4/2022 9:44:44 AM EDT

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So if this is how the receiver is marked:

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Then I'd do this?

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And then this?

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Do I have it correct?

Posted: 5/4/2022 12:38:06 PM EDT

[#5]

That’s how I would fill it out.

Posted: 5/4/2022 5:17:10 PM EDT

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That’s how I would fill it out.

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yep

Posted: 5/5/2022 10:38:19 AM EDT

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Agree.

Posted: 5/5/2022 10:48:39 AM EDT

[#8]

Thank you. Sending it in for anodizing this week and if it all goes well, will submit the eForm 1 when I get it back.

Posted: 5/5/2022 3:51:29 PM EDT

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Thank you. Sending it in for anodizing this week and if it all goes well, will submit the eForm 1 when I get it back.

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Why wait? Get the clock started now.

You can always withdraw/cancel the form and get your $200 back if something goes wrong and you have to start over with a new SN.

Posted: 5/6/2022 7:09:32 PM EDT

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Yeah, may as well.

Forgot to ask: for the RPQ 5320.23 form, what do I put in for 4b as the "Name and Address of Maker, Manufacturer and/or Importer of Firearm"?

From all appearances, this is a Colt lower. Do I put Colt's info there or do I put my LLC info there (even though my LLC name or address doesn't appear anywhere on this lower)? Or do I put something else there?

Posted: 5/6/2022 8:27:59 PM EDT

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Yeah, may as well.

Forgot to ask: for the RPQ 5320.23 form, what do I put in for 4b as the "Name and Address of Maker, Manufacturer and/or Importer of Firearm"?

From all appearances, this is a Colt lower. Do I put Colt's info there or do I put my LLC info there (even though my LLC name or address doesn't appear anywhere on this lower)? Or do I put something else there?

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Oh hell no. Colt didn't manufacture the firearm in any shape, manner or form.
You are aware that as the maker of an NFA firearm you have to engrave the makers name and location?

Posted: 5/6/2022 8:53:52 PM EDT

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Of course I am - but that's generally AFTER it's an approved NFA item - not before.

For other AR lowers I've SBR'ed, if it was made by KAC, then KAC's info goes there and I engrave my LLC info once it's approved.

However, since this one is a personally made firearm from an 80%, it doesn't need to have ANY of that info prior. Thus my question.

Posted: 5/6/2022 9:06:10 PM EDT

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Of course I am - but that's generally AFTER it's an approved NFA item - not before.

For other AR lowers I've SBR'ed, if it was made by KAC, then KAC's info goes there and I engrave my LLC info once it's approved.

However, since this one is a personally made firearm from an 80%, it doesn't need to have ANY of that info prior. Thus my question.

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Some folks opt to put the maker info where colt would traditionally put the info above the trigger/hammer pins.

In any case, you'd sort of be making a mistake to not go ahead and put your maker info on the lower before the anodizing work...at least that's how I'd see it.

Posted: 5/6/2022 9:21:54 PM EDT

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Ok, let me phrase it this way: assume that the lower is completely blank other than the serial number on it. What would go in box 4b?

In the previous one for the eForm 1, it was entered in as "FMI" when it's a home made firearm. Technically, shouldn't this be the same so they match?

Posted: 5/6/2022 9:31:06 PM EDT

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Ok, let me phrase it this way: assume that the lower is completely blank other than the serial number on it. What would go in box 4b?

In the previous one for the eForm 1, it was entered in as "FMI" when it's a home made firearm. Technically, shouldn't this be the same so they match?

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You’re the Maker, so that’s the info that goes there (and gets engraved).

“You” is the entity you’re filing as.

FMI is used so they don’t have to validate every entity/individual. It’s just their workaround. If you were filing a paper form, FMI wouldn’t be on your paperwork anywhere. It would be your entity’s name on both the F1 and 5320.23. For eForms, it’s FMI on the F1 and your entity’s name on the RPQ.

Colt has absolutely nothing to do with any of this.

Posted: 5/6/2022 9:38:45 PM EDT

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Got it. So even though at the time of submitting this, it doesn't have my LLC info, I would still just put my LLC info there in box 4b, right?

Posted: 5/7/2022 8:46:01 AM EDT

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Got it. So even though at the time of submitting this, it doesn't have my LLC info, I would still just put my LLC info there in box 4b, right?

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You’re awful hung up on something that has nothing to do with the situation. 4b asks for the Maker’s info. That’s what you need to provide. Full stop.

It says nothing about what’s engraved.

Yes, you’d normally pull that info off an existing firearm to use it. But that doesn’t apply in this situation.

Posted: 5/7/2022 8:55:04 AM EDT

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@OP

Do you already have the engraving work done?

There's a decent chance the reviewer will ask for a photo of the blank/unfinished lower. In the event you have already done your retro engraving work you maybe told to resubmit with info/guidance provided by by the reviewer. If the blank has no markings currently then there's no reason you would hear anything about what to put on the blank other than maker name/city/serial/(caliber on barrel).

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