The problem with swaging using a tooling that has a suport bar on the inside of the case to back it up, is that if you change brass and the web thickness changes between the two different types of brass, you need to re-adjust the tool to allow the device to swage correctly.

So granted that I'm not a fan of the swage kits on the 650 since it voids the warranty, and does not taper the primer pocket entry as wide as I would like for very clean primer feeds at priming, it does a good job of swaging out the inside of the primer pocket without have to re-adjust the tooling for different webbing thickness instead.

As for picking up a Hornady to swage primer pocket only, would be just as fast to use a Dillon super swager, plus smaller foot print/less hassles as well.  Hence that fact that if you do have problems, Dillon will send you replacement parts for free, while on a out of production Hornady press, no parts are available for it to start with instead.

As for a projector for $100, very good price, so long as you can make replacement parts, since again, Hornady no longer has replacement parts for the machine.

To be blunt, if you have a problem with the press and need parts to repair it, the best Hornady can do is offer a $200 trade in (have to send all the parts in, including the power dispenser system as well) towards the current production AP machine instead. So it really a double edge sword, since if you are going through Horhady directly, you going to pay about $100 more than a discount shop for the same machine.  So you buying the machine for the intent of trading it in on a Current AP, makes the initial $100 cost  to buy the machine a  mute point.

Just a FYI, but when Dillion voids the warranty on a machine, its the entire machine and it's parts that the warranty is voided on.

The swage type kits do leave tell tail marks on the 650 presses, so don't think that your going to sneak such use in under the radar with Dillon instead.

Hell, use the wrong brass, and Dillon may not warranty replacement parts from them breaking such parts.

And since this is about Hornady presses, same goes for them replacing  user wear type parts on the machines, since such parts are not part of the life time warranty of the machine (life time as in so long as the machine is being produced, and once it goes out of production, then recourse on a busted machine if you need parts and can not make them yourself, is to just trade it in on a current production machine instead).

Please keep any further conversation about buying to IM's so you don't run into Conduct Code issues. Thanks.

Can we please get back to the original topic and leave warranty issues elsewhere.

Thanks.

The short version, will iron out the primer pocket ID crimp well, but does not produce a lot of taper entrance to the entry of the primer pocket isntead.

So some times you can get away with the narrow beveling of the entry of the primer pocket for the primer to find the primer channel, while with some other case and some types of primers, the primer does not want to find the primer pocket at entry well instead.  In the later, you need to go back with a cutter type swage remove tool, to increase the primer pocket entrance chamfering so your not having problems with the 650 allowing the primer to find and entry the primer pocket cleanly/flawlessly instead.

Hence you don't force the primer into a primer pocket on a 650 machine, since that is the quickest way to set a primer off, have it chain fire the rest of the primers and up the tube; ending up with the entire primer assembly KB and needing to be replaced.

Not the same problem, since the LNL has a back up rod suports to the webs of the cases (what the cases are riding on in the shell holder) and you can put a hell of lot more pressure on the case with the swage tool in the tool head to bevel the entries of the primer pockets nicely instead.

Hence this is the glitch with the 650 swage it, and the only thing backing up the case, is just the rim of the case in the shell plate isntead.  So too much swage pressure to get the final extra touch  of pocket entry bevel,   either bends the hell out of the shell plate or tries to rip the rim off the case after you have already bent the shell plate instead.  Hence the swage-it does not have a top of web suport to the case, and why you can not created that kind of force safely with the tool and not start taking parts of the 650 out instead.