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Posted: 3/18/2018 10:05:34 PM EDT
Which will win?
The VICTIM...I mean TARGET! Layers go, stainless steel, aluminum, poly-carbonate, stainless steel. 
 THE RIFLE! 
The previous much smaller one I made, with a thicker piece of aluminum but thinner stainless steel stopped 7.62x39 from my SKS, and 5.56x45 from my 14.5 carbine (pinned and welded to 16") Will it stop a 150gr .30-06 M2 clone M1 Garand? |
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Posted: 3/18/2018 10:30:08 PM EDT
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Probably not is my guess
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Posted: 3/19/2018 5:42:28 AM EDT
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Well you would be, absolutely correct! blew right through. And for that matter, so did M193 from a 20" AR.
 The composition of this "plate" is slightly different than the first that stopped both the SKS and the AR carbine.
Now I have to hit it one more time with the carbine to see if that's to blame for the 20" AR getting through or not. |
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Posted: 3/19/2018 7:43:03 AM EDT
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Next target...
Will 13 x 3/16" aluminum plates stop a 150gr S&B M1 Garand fmj projectile? |
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Posted: 3/19/2018 10:23:22 AM EDT
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Nope
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Posted: 3/19/2018 11:02:30 AM EDT
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Nope |
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Posted: 3/19/2018 11:18:39 AM EDT
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How about this? @kitbuilder
That's about just shy of 3 5/8" |
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Posted: 3/19/2018 11:28:55 AM EDT
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That might do it.
I really don't know. lol This would probably explain it if I read the whole thing. 
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a137873.pdf |
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Posted: 6/8/2018 6:55:13 PM EDT
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If I don't forget I'm going to shoot it tomorrow to try to get an idea of how much aluminum it takes to stop it. Also trying to figure out which material is most effective and at what point.
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Posted: 6/8/2018 9:19:17 PM EDT
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See the bullet?
I see the bullet. 
1.5" of penetration before I reach the back of the bullet. I'll break the pieces apart later and find out exactly how far it penetrated. 
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Posted: 6/8/2018 9:32:27 PM EDT
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Try a round of APM2....that would be interesting.
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Posted: 6/8/2018 9:36:49 PM EDT
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Couldn't wait...
So THAT's neat! 
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Posted: 6/8/2018 9:37:08 PM EDT
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Edit fail
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Posted: 6/8/2018 11:58:34 PM EDT
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Is it legal to have in Georgia?
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Posted: 6/9/2018 7:53:53 AM EDT
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Is it legal to have in Georgia? ETA: If this is just black tip AP M2 ammo, heck I think CMP used to sell it back when they still had it to sell. in fact http://forums.thecmp.org/archive/index.php/t-22087.html No mention of Georgia and I haven't been able to find anything that suggests it would be illegal to own in Georgia on any .gov website. What would you want to see as a target? |
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Posted: 6/9/2018 1:58:19 PM EDT
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Send me your address via IM and I'll send you a clip of it.
I'll let you pick the targets. Aluminum, steel, 4x4 or similar. Eight rounds is potentially 8 targets. |
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Posted: 6/9/2018 2:44:48 PM EDT
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Send me your address via IM and I'll send you a clip of it. I'll let you pick the targets. Aluminum, steel, 4x4 or similar. Eight rounds is potentially 8 targets. Anything I'm capable of constructing as a target I'll shoot since you're sending the ammo, just make a suggestion. I can get up to 1/2" aluminum, Lexan, mild and stainless steel, though the half inch pieces of stainless don't come around often. ($$$$) I'd be interested in seeing what it did compared to normal M2 to some really hard wood as well. |
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Posted: 6/9/2018 8:03:32 PM EDT
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This isn't from the M1, this was from an SKS and my AR carbine but I figure I'd show that there's definately potential here with these materials for making effective home made armor.
The Lexan is 1/2" and the aluminum there is .39" the steel was stainless and I think the rear piece 18ga and the front piece 16ga. All in all it was 1" thick best I recall. Inerestingly the SKS's 7.62x39 actually penetrated deeper. The AR carbine was firing M193 and the bullet actually stopped between the Lexan and aluminum in a mangled mess. The Wolf 7.62x39 made it to the last piece of stainless. And here's a piece of 1/4" aluminum backed with a piece of stainless mostly to brace but also reinforce that stopped 9x19 (not sure what weight bullet), also stopped a .40S&W (it actually didn't penetrate as far as the 9mm) But I don't have that photo uploaded yet 
Here's 1/2" Lexan vs 230gr FMJ .45ACP  (they came back and landed at my feet, I was about 13' or so away from the target)
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Posted: 6/9/2018 11:14:11 PM EDT
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Love the work. Keep it up!
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Posted: 6/12/2018 11:47:54 AM EDT
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Each layer of which there are 9 here, is 1/8" thick.
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Posted: 6/12/2018 8:15:43 PM EDT
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So before bothering to waste a more expensive shot from my M1 I figure lets see what my AR carbine will do with M193. Well, zipped through 2" of bare Lexan.
Ignore the two holes in the half inch piece, they were already there. Prior to being shot, the 4 pieces on the right are 3/8" thick the piece on the right that's already got 2 holes in it is 1/2" 
Exit from the back piece  Also I figured i'd see how it compared to the M2 load from the M1 Garand in aluminum... couldn't have done this again if I tried with the first shot. (I was aiming just above the target since I was only like 13' away) 
With my 2nd shot aiming well above it I got a impact almost center, base of the bullet was 5 plates in. Sooo Aluminum > Lexan, but the question is what happens when you combine the two and put 1/2" aluminum in front of 1/2" of Lexan? My hope is that the aluminum deforms the bullet enough that when it strikes the Lexan it has a much larger frontal area and the Lexan "catches" the bullet. Both of these materials are soft and light and absorb a lot of energy. I'll take pictures of the aluminum target shot with 5.56 tomorrow when I cut it open at work. The plates on it are 3/16" thick vs the 1/8" of the other so while it was 5, it was 5 x 3/16" Another material I'm interested in working with is fiberglass... |
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Posted: 6/12/2018 8:37:53 PM EDT
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I find your thread interesting to say the least. Thanks for posting this up, OP. Keep up the good work.
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Posted: 6/13/2018 4:50:16 PM EDT
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M193 from 14.5" barrel pinned and welded to 16", each layer is 3/16" thick.
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Posted: 6/14/2018 7:08:00 PM EDT
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Look what showed up at my door....
 Big shout out to @pavil58ar THANK YOU! |
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Posted: 6/14/2018 11:27:11 PM EDT
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Let the pew pews begin!
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Posted: 9/30/2018 9:55:52 AM EDT
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This isn't dead, I haven't forgotten the generously donated M1AP, just been swamped with family life and working a lot of over time. I hope to test the AP ammo on some hardened steel plates soon. Thinking a layer of aluminum fixed to a thin hardened steel plate would be interesting. Like something meant only to stop .44mag and weaker threats, but with 3/8 or 1/2" aluminum in front.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 4:28:07 PM EDT
[#26]
Bump.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 4:41:36 PM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 10/24/2018 6:21:05 PM EDT
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Soccer season is coming to a close, looks like soon I'll be able to get out to my friends shooting range and take a few shots on some different targets.
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Posted: 11/5/2018 7:47:04 PM EDT
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your hard layer needs to in front of the soft layer.
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Posted: 11/5/2018 8:07:25 PM EDT
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your hard layer needs to in front of the soft layer. Thinking i"ll dump the lexan and try aluminum and steel sheet metal. But I'd like tgt/armor ideas before I fire some of this M2 AP at it. |
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Posted: 11/6/2018 11:01:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay, how thick do you think I ought to make it? Ideal being just enough... Aluminum by itself doesn’t stop dick, any aluminum in there is just useless weight |
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Posted: 11/7/2018 8:01:30 AM EDT
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I’d say mix densities, and get some harder layers to break up the projectile between softer layers to slow the pieces down, but that’s just a hypothesis Aluminum by itself doesn’t stop dick, any aluminum in there is just useless weight I guess I could try to stack up a bunch of lexan yo see just how much it takes to catch a m193 round from a carbine. The other thing I'd like to do is get a thin hard piece of steel, not AR500 as I think it would be to brittle in a thin piece but something like 1/8" and then 7/8" aluminum behind it and see what that stops from passing through. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 12:52:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:. Aluminum by itself doesn’t stop dick, any aluminum in there is just useless weight |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 12:58:03 PM EDT
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The base M113 armor is all aluminum, and it stops small arms fire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:. Aluminum by itself doesn’t stop dick, any aluminum in there is just useless weight |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 2:41:10 PM EDT
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Oooh I just had an idea of two, stay tuned.
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Posted: 11/13/2018 2:57:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/14/2018 7:31:09 PM EDT
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Needs more phone books and duct tape... Who was around for this gem?
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/173511/100_0046_jpg-737793.JPG |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 8:29:14 PM EDT
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Back story? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Needs more phone books and duct tape... Who was around for this gem?
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/173511/100_0046_jpg-737793.JPG |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 9:02:50 AM EDT
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Indeed... Please post it. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 2:12:36 PM EDT
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New target.
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Ignore the quick anddirtyt welds, didn't prep at all, just going to shoot it. So its 2 pieces of stainless just a hair over 1/16" thick and the rest aluminum. As you can see comes out just a tad over 1". What shoule I hit it with first? M193 from 14.5" or 20" or jump to the M1 firing m2 ball? |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 2:27:19 PM EDT
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There's also this piece of cold saw blade that's hard as hell, but brittle and without bed liner I'm sure will shatter.
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Posted: 11/27/2018 11:24:58 PM EDT
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M193 1st, please.
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Posted: 11/28/2018 2:18:12 AM EDT
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Just found this thread and I think the results have been very interesting.
I vote M193 from the 20" for the latest test! |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 9:04:25 AM EDT
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If you want to cobble together some Mad Max shit that will work, look at ceramic floor tile as your material.
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Posted: 11/28/2018 9:21:25 AM EDT
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Just found this thread and I think the results have been very interesting. I vote M193 from the 20" for the latest test! Subbed, great thread OP! |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 10:08:24 AM EDT
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Okay so I did put a few minutes of work into it...
 Question is, do I put this piece of a broke. Cold saw blade I turned into an improvised axe head in front... thing is hard as crap (can dent a punch if you take a chunk with a good sharp corner to a punch and strike it with a hammer.) So I'm guessing a RC hardness of like 70+? 
What do you guys think, scrap blade duct taped to the front for a harder strike face or no? Keep in mind it adds a noticeable amount of weight and the point here was cheap, easy to source materials fom DIY and light weight and around 1" thick. Anyone know the sectional density for both M2 and M193 ball? |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 6:02:49 PM EDT
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So, you wanted the 20" first, so here it is. (Idecided to leave the coldsaw blade out)
Note this is definitely what I would call CQB distance. 
Target setup, figured this way its absorbing all energy but the back stop isn't helping stop penetration. 
Ear pro on and... 
The back has that barely made it through torn metal look. You know, I almost slapped on 1 more later of aluminum to make a solid inch of it...apparently I should have. Back stop from 20" shot. 
So, time for the 14.5 pin&weld job. 
Well well well, no pass through. 
 Now for the big gun. 
LoL well, that slapped it! 
So, it would seem 1 more layer of aluminum yo make a solid inch and or not being it with it at what's practically point blank and you're probably good to go from 5.56x45. I wonder if I should hit it with my SKS... |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 8:37:03 AM EDT
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Do I need to ask what's on the other side of that garage wall?
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Posted: 11/29/2018 8:52:03 AM EDT
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this was worth clicking on the post.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 10:40:47 AM EDT
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Do I need to ask what's on the other side of that garage wall? (I'm kidding, there's a dirt hill going up about another 50 yards, shop is cut into the side of it which comes up about 5' before the slope starts again) |
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