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Posted: 8/26/2020 7:52:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: Like the title says, looking for a ballistic helmet and have narrowed it down a bit but would like ARFCOMs input. My parameters: ballistic, high cut prefered, rails / nvg mount included, foliage/ranger green (black acceptable). 22.25 inch head, Budget 500-1K +/-, I'd like to keep it sub 3lbs. All prices/stats pulled from own the night. Value but heavier: Revision Viper (kitted): $580 - ~3.25 lbs Gentex TBH-III: $670 - 3.17 lbs Pricy but lighter: Revision Batlskin Premium: $800 - 2.7 lbs Revision Viper P4: $1,100 - 2.5 lbs (Sigh) Team Wendy 3.0: $1080 - 2.6 lbs How would the pricier options stack against the Opscore LE/XP/FAST? Would the pricier options be worth it for the weight savings given the prices? Anything I'm missing or better options / prices at other vendors? Thanks The Galvion/Revision and the Gentex are great options. What you're getting stepping up to the Ops Core FAST line is varying degrees of reduced weight via more expensive materials. If you need this professionally and will be wearing it regularly the more expensive options will serve you well and upto appreciate the lighter weight especially if you're adding lots of gear to it. If you don't have have to wear it regularly or aren't a professional armor wearer and don't have a need for extra gear (battery pack, lights, comms gear, cameras, and strobes simultaneously) then the Galvion and TBH-II options are excellent. While I absolutely love my issued OC SF, no way would I be paying the $1900 price tag over the much less expensive options. |
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Posted: 8/27/2020 1:18:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Galvion/Revision and the Gentex are great options. What you're getting stepping up to the Ops Core FAST line is varying degrees of reduced weight via more expensive materials. If you need this professionally and will be wearing it regularly the more expensive options will serve you well and upto appreciate the lighter weight especially if you're adding lots of gear to it. If you don't have have to wear it regularly or aren't a professional armor wearer and don't have a need for extra gear (battery pack, lights, comms gear, cameras, and strobes simultaneously) then the Galvion and TBH-II options are excellent. While I absolutely love my issued OC SF, no way would I be paying the $1900 price tag over the much less expensive options. Thanks for the input. Not a professional user, I won't be wearing it for extended periods of time (hopefully). I do plan to add NVGs but that won't be for some time. I guess my question comes down to is the half a pound or so weight savings worth the additional cost over revision/gentex? Anyone have experience with the Revision Batlskin premium helmet? Seems to be the Goldilocks on price and weight. |
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Posted: 8/27/2020 1:42:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the input. Not a professional user, I won't be wearing it for extended periods of time (hopefully). I do plan to add NVGs but that won't be for some time. I guess my question comes down to is the half a pound or so weight savings worth the additional cost over revision/gentex? Anyone have experience with the Revision Batlskin premium helmet? Seems to be the Goldilocks on price and weight. I can't for the life of me imagine paying $1200-1900 for a ballistic helmet if I wasnt in it regularly. I used to have a Gentex 2002 that was pretty awesome even though it was a bit heavier. You can find used Ops Core FAST XPs cheap if you look around. Less weight is always better but I can't imagine paying a $1k premium as an everyman. |
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Posted: 8/27/2020 1:50:22 PM EDT
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None of the above.
I bought the lightest and most versatile head gear I could find for a similar price to one of your options. The 1.26 lb ballistic rated 3M Ceradyne Ultra Light Weight Ballistic Bump helmet. 1.26 lbs in medium and stops pistol rounds. https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Ultra-Light-Weight-Ballistic-Bump-Helmet-N49/?N=5002385+3292678813&rt=rud |
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Posted: 8/27/2020 2:10:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None of the above. I bought the lightest and most versatile head gear I could find for a similar price to one of your options. The 1.26 lb ballistic rated 3M Ceradyne Ultra Light Weight Ballistic Bump helmet. 1.26 lbs in medium and stops pistol rounds. https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Ultra-Light-Weight-Ballistic-Bump-Helmet-N49/?N=5002385+3292678813&rt=rud @Steve_Phila where did you buy it? I can't seem to find them anywhere. |
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Posted: 8/27/2020 2:48:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None of the above. I bought the lightest and most versatile head gear I could find for a similar price to one of your options. The 1.26 lb ballistic rated 3M Ceradyne Ultra Light Weight Ballistic Bump helmet. 1.26 lbs in medium and stops pistol rounds. https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Ultra-Light-Weight-Ballistic-Bump-Helmet-N49/?N=5002385+3292678813&rt=rud I've read in multiple places that helmet, while it it will stop pistol rounds, has a very severe problem with back face deformation due to its light and thin construction and that it's a bump helmet with some frag protection, not a helmet designed for real ballistic protection. |
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Posted: 8/27/2020 3:00:53 PM EDT
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Check out the PGD ARCH helmet. IIIA, out the door <$400. They are pretty open regarding its features, construction, material sourcing, etc.
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Posted: 8/27/2020 4:12:01 PM EDT
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SAO: Finding them is the hard part. I got mine after much search and work. It cost a grand and is worth every cent.
As for its balilstic rating, it is rated IIIA. It gets the "bump" qualification from the D30 pad system on the inside of the helmet. Sure, there may be deformation but that is a trade off I am willing to take. Hell, the many times heavier PASGT wouldnt stop 9mm. There is no perfect solution. Helmet covers are available from Agilite, it is good and I like mine. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 7:20:40 PM EDT
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I purchased and received my HHV helmet. I'm looking for a second helmet now. I'm thinking Ops-Core. I'm trying to remember the members name in here that works for a retailer that sells them. Does anyone know who that is? I would like to buy from a fellow member/retailer that is part of ARF.
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Posted: 8/30/2020 3:59:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've read in multiple places that helmet, while it it will stop pistol rounds, has a very severe problem with back face deformation due to its light and thin construction and that it's a bump helmet with some frag protection, not a helmet designed for real ballistic protection. A teammate of mine took a 5.56 round from close range to the side of this 3M helmet and lived with minor injury from that round. It’s only one instance but I’d say it provides much more than some frag protection and I feel very confident wearing it. |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 9:24:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I purchased and received my HHV helmet. I'm looking for a second helmet now. I'm thinking Ops-Core. I'm trying to remember the members name in here that works for a retailer that sells them. Does anyone know who that is? I would like to buy from a fellow member/retailer that is part of ARF. How do you like the HHV helmet? I’ve been debating on purchasing one. |
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Posted: 8/31/2020 12:22:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you like the HHV helmet? I’ve been debating on purchasing one. I like it. I think it was a good buy. |
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Posted: 8/31/2020 3:18:41 PM EDT
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OK, have to ask, not filthy rich like everyone else here, so I'm looking at one of those high-cut ACH helmets Kota Outfitters sells. They're evidently made in South Korea, and yeah they're regular weight (3.3lbs). Any opinions? Rated and supposedly tested at IIIa. Price is in my range without having to wait six months to save.
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Posted: 9/8/2020 7:37:24 PM EDT
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Kota has ACH High Cut helmets in stock size large in all colors available.
Edit: I bought 2 large in black. Would like to trade at least one for a medium if someone decides they want a large. I have a 23" dome and can go either way. My son however would probably prefer a medium. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 8:07:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK, have to ask, not filthy rich like everyone else here, so I'm looking at one of those high-cut ACH helmets Kota Outfitters sells. They're evidently made in South Korea, and yeah they're regular weight (3.3lbs). Any opinions? Rated and supposedly tested at IIIa. Price is in my range without having to wait six months to save. I would trust SK QA and QC far ahead of anything in China. If you are handy you could get a US made ACH/MICH/DH-132/PASGT and modify it. Honestly, most people would be just fine with a regular ACH or PASGT, and would have more coverage. The vast majority of US soldiers don't wear the cool guy helmet and do just fine. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 8:58:33 PM EDT
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Kota is sold out so you no longer have to worry dude. Ill post again next time I see them.
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Posted: 9/9/2020 12:27:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/9/2020 8:20:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/9/2020 8:23:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt's only available in S/M for sizing. |
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Posted: 9/9/2020 8:54:15 AM EDT
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Doesn’t have an option for buckle on right side for left eye dominant people. Does the side the buckle is on really make a difference?
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Posted: 9/10/2020 7:32:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryDoes that code work for all their products or just that helmet?
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Posted: 9/10/2020 4:10:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does that code work for all their products or just that helmet? All their products. |
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Posted: 10/26/2020 9:41:39 AM EDT
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16 weeks wait though
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Posted: 10/26/2020 11:54:42 AM EDT
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I would recommend you consider a surplus ACH/MICH. You can find them with H nape suspension already for $150.00. This will be the standard padding system. Over time you can upgrade the padding to something better for about $100.
Wear this set up for a while and you will have a better idea of what you like and need. |
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Posted: 10/26/2020 12:18:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would recommend you consider a surplus ACH/MICH. You can find them with H nape suspension already for $150.00. This will be the standard padding system. Over time you can upgrade the padding to something better for about $100. Wear this set up for a while and you will have a better idea of what you like and need. Where to buy? |
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