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Posted: 4/15/2021 6:15:14 PM EDT
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Yeah... what’s up with that? I can’t find anymore details other than that.
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Posted: 4/15/2021 7:20:43 PM EDT
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I saw it on facebook F1 page.
this was posted there:  Attached FileI can't make anything, but I look and mentally plan for when I move. |
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Posted: 4/15/2021 7:30:22 PM EDT
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Good to know. I wonder how many others will be shutdown.
Edit: I think there may have been some holes drilled in their products |
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Posted: 4/15/2021 8:42:33 PM EDT
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Appears there were selling these with drilled baffles?
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Posted: 4/15/2021 9:21:24 PM EDT
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If they had holes drilled in those, then they were IN FACT making silencers and silencer parts. No question, poor decision on their part.
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Posted: 4/15/2021 10:12:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2021 10:22:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they had holes drilled in those, then they were IN FACT making silencers and silencer parts. No question, poor decision on their part. no shit. that was dumb. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 1:56:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/16/2021 2:03:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw it on facebook F1 page. this was posted there: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32438/f1_jpg-1906161.JPG I can't make anything, but I look and mentally plan for when I move. I don't believe they stated that solvent traps are illegal now. They enforced a law as written. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 2:23:25 AM EDT
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Shit...
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Posted: 4/16/2021 7:45:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they had holes drilled in those, then they were IN FACT making silencers and silencer parts. No question, poor decision on their part. No, they were making solvent traps. How do you expect solvent to go from one chamber to the other? Without the end cap drilled, this can't reduce the sound of a gunshot, nor is it designed to. That, in and of itself, doesn't meet the definition of silencer. Neither does the fact they were designed and intended for another purpose, which also doesn't meet the definition of silencer. This is ATF overreach, plain and simple. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:40:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, they were making solvent traps. How do you expect solvent to go from one chamber to the other? Without the end cap drilled, this can't reduce the sound of a gunshot, nor is it designed to. That, in and of itself, doesn't meet the definition of silencer. Neither does the fact they were designed and intended for another purpose, which also doesn't meet the definition of silencer. This is ATF overreach, plain and simple. Maybe, but they'll now have to defend that position in a courtroom. Unless they had a sample submitted to ATF and it was indeed ruled not a silencer. The original "solvent traps" were just tubes and endcaps, one that would thread to a barrel and one solid. Or they could have went the T/C way and submitted a form1 and later sued. I am in agreement with ATF overreach, but sometimes the juice isn't worth the squeeze, and they are banking on it. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:44:32 AM EDT
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1. Dumb call on their part
2. I feel safer already (eyeroll) |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 1:46:03 PM EDT
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@crazyelece
You're not wrong, but one shouldn't have to go to court or ask permission for something that clearly doesn't fit the definition. HIT should hire the same attorney as the ebay monocore guy. I'd love to see the ATF prove their solvent trap reduced the sound of a gunshot. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 4:38:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @crazyelece You're not wrong, but one shouldn't have to go to court or ask permission for something that clearly doesn't fit the definition. HIT should hire the same attorney as the ebay monocore guy. I'd love to see the ATF prove their solvent trap reduced the sound of a gunshot. That's what you get when the guys that enforce the rules are the same who interpret them. Whatever they say goes, until a judge bitch slaps them back to their corner. It would be nice if the gov agencies had to pay the legal fees for any court cases lost, this has helped tremendously in state level firearms law defense and reforms. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 5:44:05 PM EDT
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ATF seems to be going after any outfit offering kits.
At this time, manufacturers of tubes, cap, cups, mounts, etc. sold individually seem to be safe as long as there's not a kit configuration, but that could easily change. I think the solvent trap/filter/condiment makers & sellers would do well to coordinate/collaborate amongst themselves so that no one of them individually supplies all of the components that would be modified and used in a can. The industry is in the crosshairs, and we have a particularly gun-unfriendly ATF now with directives from above to do anything within their scope to cripple the firearms industry from top to bottom. |
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