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Posted: 8/7/2022 11:00:42 AM EDT
[#1]
This is a really interesting product. The OSS design appears to benefit from additive manufacturing, and I would not be surprised if they transition completely to this manufacturing process for their suppressors. If this suppressor has the durability and flash suppression of legacy baffeled suppressors, this may truly be a generational change. Additionally, I am curious how flow-through suppressors sound indoors vs baffeled suppressors, as you think the higher report at the muzzle could potentially reverberate indoors.
Regarding the mount discussion, I agree that people do not pay enough attention to mount weight. I like surefire's closed tine flash hider (yes I know it doesn't have labyrinth seals), because it saves 1.3oz over the 3 prong. I think there is room for mount manufacturers to reduce mount weight while still having acceptable durability. |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 1:33:44 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a really interesting product. The OSS design appears to benefit from additive manufacturing, and I would not be surprised if they transition completely to this manufacturing process for their suppressors. If this suppressor has the durability and flash suppression of legacy baffeled suppressors, this may truly be a generational change. Additionally, I am curious how flow-through suppressors sound indoors vs baffeled suppressors, as you think the higher report at the muzzle could potentially reverberate indoors. Regarding the mount discussion, I agree that people do not pay enough attention to mount weight. I like surefire's closed tine flash hider (yes I know it doesn't have labyrinth seals), because it saves 1.3oz over the 3 prong. I think there is room for mount manufacturers to reduce mount weight while still having acceptable durability. Same here. Jay said that he will be testing this. |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 2:17:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a really interesting product. The OSS design appears to benefit from additive manufacturing, and I would not be surprised if they transition completely to this manufacturing process for their suppressors. If this suppressor has the durability and flash suppression of legacy baffeled suppressors, this may truly be a generational change. Additionally, I am curious how flow-through suppressors sound indoors vs baffeled suppressors, as you think the higher report at the muzzle could potentially reverberate indoors. Yes, traditional baffled suppressors like the Helios qd, ea arx, rugged razor 556...oh wait, the flow 556k is quieter at the muzzle than all of those, NEWLY designed, dedicated 5.56 cans, and a full 10 points higher at the ear than the closest ear competitor (Helios qd).  |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 8:58:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Without knowing what the internals look like, if there's an unstable projectile or jacket seperation, assuming there's no issues based on the mount backing off, based on where the serial is... Maybe they're banking on E-Forms being quick turn around in the future? At least other 3d printed options like CGS put their serial at the base where I could see them chopping off the baffle area and reprinting on top. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ok so question from a newbie. How does this deal with a baffle strike? Looks like they wouldn't be able to just replace an end cap if it is 3d printed? Without knowing what the internals look like, if there's an unstable projectile or jacket seperation, assuming there's no issues based on the mount backing off, based on where the serial is... Maybe they're banking on E-Forms being quick turn around in the future? At least other 3d printed options like CGS put their serial at the base where I could see them chopping off the baffle area and reprinting on top. Looks like I was right, can't be repaired.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 9:12:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like I was right, can't be repaired.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147676/ppH4Eew_jpeg-2481064.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok so question from a newbie. How does this deal with a baffle strike? Looks like they wouldn't be able to just replace an end cap if it is 3d printed? Without knowing what the internals look like, if there's an unstable projectile or jacket seperation, assuming there's no issues based on the mount backing off, based on where the serial is... Maybe they're banking on E-Forms being quick turn around in the future? At least other 3d printed options like CGS put their serial at the base where I could see them chopping off the baffle area and reprinting on top. Looks like I was right, can't be repaired.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147676/ppH4Eew_jpeg-2481064.JPG That nato guy seems like he likes to party |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 9:18:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That nato guy seems like he likes to party I'd imagine he's probably a member here. He has that ARFCOM mentality to him |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 10:22:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like I was right, can't be repaired.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147676/ppH4Eew_jpeg-2481064.JPG That’s disappointing. I would have guessed they could have just chopped it back and started 3D printed on the base. |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 10:25:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s disappointing. I would have guessed they could have just chopped it back and started 3D printed on the base. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like I was right, can't be repaired.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147676/ppH4Eew_jpeg-2481064.JPG That’s disappointing. I would have guessed they could have just chopped it back and started 3D printed on the base. The serial number is on the very end next the the muzzle. I just bought one and that’s why I asked about it. Also it says OSS as the manufacture. No where on the suppressor does it say huxworx, just OSS 
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:14:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's disappointing. I would have guessed they could have just chopped it back and started 3D printed on the base.  I'm not sure I want a suppressor that can't be repaired. I'm careful, but shit does happen and I like a safety net. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:50:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is very disappointing. I'm not sure I want a suppressor that can't be repaired. I'm careful, but shit does happen and I like a safety net. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's disappointing. I would have guessed they could have just chopped it back and started 3D printed on the base. I'm not sure I want a suppressor that can't be repaired. I'm careful, but shit does happen and I like a safety net. They are $1100 plus stamp too |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 8:08:20 AM EDT
[#11]
I kind of want one of these but the price is a turn off right now.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 8:44:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is very disappointing. I'm not sure I want a suppressor that can't be repaired. I'm careful, but shit does happen and I like a safety net. Agree, that is a non-starter for me. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:48:21 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is very disappointing. I'm not sure I want a suppressor that can't be repaired. I'm careful, but shit does happen and I like a safety net. It would be one thing if the eform 4 actually lived up to the sub-90-day promise, but the typical approval times seem to be around 5 months and rising. The proprietary mount also means I couldn't just slap a spare can onto that host while waiting to get the Flow replaced. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:26:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be one thing if the eform 4 actually lived up to the sub-90-day promise, but the typical approval times seem to be around 5 months and rising. The proprietary mount also means I couldn't just slap a spare can onto that host while waiting to get the Flow replaced. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:35:04 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus another $200 tax stamp. Ouch, I did not realize that. Glad I didn’t jump on the FLOW as I was tempted to do. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:19:57 AM EDT
[#16]
This would be the perfect application of the ring patented by Energetic Arms for the manufacturer info and serial number. Saving the consumer and Huxworks many future headaches.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 11:59:06 AM EDT
[#17]
Are any of the newer 3d printed cans repairable? What about the SLX?
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Posted: 8/8/2022 12:27:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are any of the newer 3d printed cans repairable? What about the SLX? Sig is at the bottom, looks to be repairable. Definitely a big Achilles heel on the flow 556, found this old excerpt from paco at cgs (please come back, we miss you) “Since 99% of strikes occur on the front cap, since we don't use any welds in our silencers, and since our DMLS process creates a superior product in every meaningful way there's nothing that's going to need repairing other than on extremely rare occasion the front cap which is easily sent in the mail. In over three or four years no DMLS rifle silencers have been returned for repair from military, government, or commercial customers or consultants because the root of the primary problems are eliminated. Take the Helios QD series as an example which is a 5.56 silencer but the bore is .355" in diameter tapering larger going forward to .375. This eliminates strikes from unstable projectiles when fired out of super short barrels such as the 5.5" Maxim PDX. This is the end result of the Helios QD on a Maxim 5.5" 5.56 PDX For the performance I would still risk it but I live life with reckless abandon like that...probably would stick it on my 11.5 or 16” mcx virtus barrel and not look back. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 8:07:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus another $200 tax stamp. I don't know their warranty policy but couldn't they make a replacement can with your serial number and destroy your damaged one? |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 9:28:15 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know their warranty policy but couldn't they make a replacement can with your serial number and destroy your damaged one? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Plus another $200 tax stamp. I don't know their warranty policy but couldn't they make a replacement can with your serial number and destroy your damaged one? Lol you should ask Kevin Brittingham |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 11:44:07 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol you should ask Kevin Brittingham Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Plus another $200 tax stamp. I don't know their warranty policy but couldn't they make a replacement can with your serial number and destroy your damaged one? Lol you should ask Kevin Brittingham Yah turns out the ATF isn't amused by such creativity |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:23:41 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the informed response. And yes it's cool to see 3D printing in the NFA world. I know CGS was doing 3D as well. Maybe it will be the new thing and more and more kickass suppressors will come out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Am I missing something? Pew rates it as 33 which is minimal suppression. The at-ear rating is the highest so far. People looking for that metric would be happy with this suppressor. To me, I personally don't get the hype. It's a 556 supersonic round so you're wearing ear pro regardless. There's the less gassiness but all my rifles are tuned. And to be honest, if I'm taking a shot not on the range it's probably going down a hallway which is where I'd want both quiet at muzzle and ear anyway. It's cool to see progress with 3d printed designs and all but I personally think people are reading too much into the results. Time will tell I guess. Thanks for the informed response. And yes it's cool to see 3D printing in the NFA world. I know CGS was doing 3D as well. Maybe it will be the new thing and more and more kickass suppressors will come out. Several companies are on board the 3D printed/DMLS suppressor train. Ones that come to mind (in rough order of adoption) are: -Delta P Design -Daniel Defense -CGS Group -Sig Sauer -Radical Firearms -Huxwrx -PWS I'm probably missing some. There are also a number of DIY FDM 3D printed designs for what that's worth. |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:41:51 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted: This would be the perfect application of the ring patented by Energetic Arms for the manufacturer info and serial number. Saving the consumer and Huxworks many future headaches. I was going to say exactly this but you beat me to it. It would be nice to see it licensed to other manufacturers but who knows if that will ever happen. Otherwise the patent doesn't expire until 2039 if I'm understanding correctly. For reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5oJPVttIDo Serial ID RIng | US 11,326,849 
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Posted: 8/11/2022 10:54:04 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yah turns out the ATF isn't amused by such creativity But the EA ring thing is okay? Seems pretty similar. Build replacement can, add old ring back. I know there is some legalese around the actual serialized part, but seems rather similar in the outcome. Regardless of how they do it, I'm hoping they will have a solution for repairs just in case. Probably my next can. |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 8:21:29 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But the EA ring thing is okay? Seems pretty similar. Build replacement can, add old ring back. I know there is some legalese around the actual serialized part, but seems rather similar in the outcome. Regardless of how they do it, I'm hoping they will have a solution for repairs just in case. Probably my next can. The ATF allows repairs on a suppressor, but not replacement of the suppressor. That engraved ring is the suppressor, legally. It can't be replaced, but every other part can be (by an SOT). Destroy the part with the engraving on it and that suppressor is gone forever. |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 10:28:56 AM EDT
[#26]
They probably don’t have a letter for the ring, so the ring is probably semantical. The regs say you are supposed to mark the tube and the way that is written I believe that is supposed to be the largest part, and a ring is obviously not the tube nor is it the largest part.
Well built suppressors rarely have issues. The notion that people are guaranteed to have baffle strikes is more related to young companies having no quality control who are making cans that aren’t straight to begin with. In the face of those issues, the companies dissemble with statements like, “its not a matter of if but when you will have a baffle strike”. That’s preposterous. People wouldn’t be selling $5000 marked up kac cans if they were guaranteed to self destruct in use. I just saw a can back yesterday for customer service from 2008- early gate lock m4sd (prior to m4sd-2 in 2010). The owner had over-deflected and bent the spring and lost or damaged the gate. Thats a 14 year old can without baffle strikes. It wasn’t worn out- it had zero baffle strikes or grazes. |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 11:13:11 AM EDT
[#27]
This thread sure is getting off track
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Posted: 8/12/2022 11:55:47 AM EDT
[#28]
Did y’all listen to the podcat? 3D printing is a gift for oss/hux, 3D printing is the future, the performance is in a different league (hard to call the arx and flow 556 both suppressors because of the performance difference), and will need frequent-ish cleaning every 1500 rounds
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Posted: 8/15/2022 6:00:25 PM EDT
[#29]
I spoke with a nice guy at HUXWRS today regarding the "baffle" strike issues. (I know, it's a 3D printed can.) He said at this point they will deal with it on a case-by-case basis. HUXWRX theory is that if you use their muzzle device, an alignment rod, and the correct ammo the probability of an "incident" is extremely low. If there is and "incident", they will take care of the customer assuming no abuse or foul play was to blame.
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Posted: 8/16/2022 8:55:39 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I spoke with a nice guy at HUXWRS today regarding the "baffle" strike issues. (I know, it's a 3D printed can.) He said at this point they will deal with it on a case-by-case basis. HUXWRX theory is that if you use their muzzle device, an alignment rod, and the correct ammo the probability of an "incident" is extremely low. If there is and "incident", they will take care of the customer assuming no abuse or foul play was to blame. Just make sure you attach that muzzle device to the barrel properly!  How To Install Your OSS Muzzle Device |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 9:02:47 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I spoke with a nice guy at HUXWRS today regarding the "baffle" strike issues. (I know, it's a 3D printed can.) He said at this point they will deal with it on a case-by-case basis. HUXWRX theory is that if you use their muzzle device, an alignment rod, and the correct ammo the probability of an "incident" is extremely low. If there is and "incident", they will take care of the customer assuming no abuse or foul play was to blame. That doesn’t give a warm and fuzzy |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 9:31:37 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That doesn’t give a warm and fuzzy Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I spoke with a nice guy at HUXWRS today regarding the "baffle" strike issues. (I know, it's a 3D printed can.) He said at this point they will deal with it on a case-by-case basis. HUXWRX theory is that if you use their muzzle device, an alignment rod, and the correct ammo the probability of an "incident" is extremely low. If there is and "incident", they will take care of the customer assuming no abuse or foul play was to blame. That doesn’t give a warm and fuzzy Which part? Their muzzle device works best with the can perf and fitment wise. An alignment rod is a pretty good practice to ensure clearance. They'll take care of you if there's a problem as long as no abuse in play. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:23:19 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which part? Their muzzle device works best with the can perf and fitment wise. An alignment rod is a pretty good practice to ensure clearance. They'll take care of you if there's a problem as long as no abuse in play. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I spoke with a nice guy at HUXWRS today regarding the "baffle" strike issues. (I know, it's a 3D printed can.) He said at this point they will deal with it on a case-by-case basis. HUXWRX theory is that if you use their muzzle device, an alignment rod, and the correct ammo the probability of an "incident" is extremely low. If there is and "incident", they will take care of the customer assuming no abuse or foul play was to blame. That doesn’t give a warm and fuzzy Which part? Their muzzle device works best with the can perf and fitment wise. An alignment rod is a pretty good practice to ensure clearance. They'll take care of you if there's a problem as long as no abuse in play. "The correct Ammo" part. Where does huxwrx draw the line? |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 12:16:59 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "The correct Ammo" part. Where does huxwrx draw the line? I was a bit thrown off by this too. I didn't realize "out of spec" ammo was common; to the degree a 5.56 round would not fit thought or be so small it would tumble in the suppressor. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 12:48:34 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That doesn’t give a warm and fuzzy Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I spoke with a nice guy at HUXWRS today regarding the "baffle" strike issues. (I know, it's a 3D printed can.) He said at this point they will deal with it on a case-by-case basis. HUXWRX theory is that if you use their muzzle device, an alignment rod, and the correct ammo the probability of an "incident" is extremely low. If there is and "incident", they will take care of the customer assuming no abuse or foul play was to blame. That doesn’t give a warm and fuzzy Agreed, and I’m in the market for a 556 can. Looks like Dead Air for me….again 
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Posted: 8/16/2022 1:57:49 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was a bit thrown off by this too. I didn't realize "out of spec" ammo was common; to the degree a 5.56 round would not fit thought or be so small it would tumble in the suppressor.  Did they specify what ammo is "in spec"? |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:12:12 PM EDT
[#37]
I want to shoot one. On paper it looks amazing but what is the "boomy" sound that pewscience keeps referencing? How "boomy" will it be for me, as the shooter?
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:21:52 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they specify what ammo is "in spec"? |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:40:46 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "The correct Ammo" part. Where does huxwrx draw the line? Correct grain weight ammo for your particular barrel length and twist rate...so it’s stabilized |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:00:04 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct grain weight ammo for your particular barrel length and twist rate...so it’s stabilized Avoiding frangible rounds… ask me how I know. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:20:00 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct grain weight ammo for your particular barrel length and twist rate...so it's stabilized 
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:58:52 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Avoiding frangible rounds… ask me how I know. He did mention fragmented rounds. Yea, I guess I forget about people doing "retarted shit" with their guns. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:47:27 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He did mention fragmented rounds. Yea, I guess I forget about people doing "retarted shit" with their guns. It’s only retarded until it happens to you. If you pull a lot of triggers, stuff happens. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 5:04:53 PM EDT
[#44]
I just got my FLOW556K in today, I'll shoot it at dusk this week and record some video for a flash test on a 10.5" with winchester M193.
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Posted: 8/17/2022 1:20:35 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just got my FLOW556K in today, I'll shoot it at dusk this week and record some video for a flash test on a 10.5" with winchester M193. How long was the wait? |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 7:15:14 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How long was the wait? 
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Posted: 8/18/2022 10:05:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably a few days for the form 3 to clear. Riley is a manufacturer: Liberty Precision Machine . Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How long was the wait? Makes much more sense 
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:34:50 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just got my FLOW556K in today, I'll shoot it at dusk this week and record some video for a flash test on a 10.5" with winchester M193. Looking forward to it. Sound, back pressure, flash are all important performance metrics to be balanced or traded off against cost, size/weight, durability, maintainability/repairability, mounting or modularity or host integration or interoperability, etc. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 11:41:12 AM EDT
[#49]
Mrgunsngear put his review out yesterday.
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Posted: 8/18/2022 3:58:31 PM EDT
[#50]
Here are some stills of the video from last night. 10.5" 5.56 shooting Winchester M193. The can had maybe 10 rounds total through it before this test but was allowed to cool and fill back up with ambient air. First round had some visible flash. Rounds 2-5 all had a small shock diamond out the front along with some sparking. Perhaps the sparking is just loose powder from the DMLS and will clear out over time. Since I'm a competitor I don't want to give my biased opinions on it, other than it is slightly less ugly in person lol.
HUXWRX FLOW556K Dusk Flash Test 10.5" 5.56 M193 |
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