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Posted: 11/2/2018 3:06:31 PM EDT
Seems like another 556 option
$945 MSRP $851 on SS right now Geez they have a lot of 556 options and this seems to really blur the line with the Optimus micro M4 series GP5 Optimus micro Paladin 5 Recce 5 Etc Attached File Attached File |
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Quoted: Not a chance when Turbos can be had for $350 Sico is trying to consolidate product lines between saker and specwar and Griffin is diluting theirs. Interesting shifts |
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Looks like a nice can but my Optimus Micro is already doing what I would've bought this can for. Love my Optimus Micro
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More options is always nice. This might be a good first can for a guy who shoots rifles mainly.
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The Paladin is a user serviceable Recce. They’ve stated such with regard to the .30cal versions. So they’re now offering the Recce line and Paladin line in .233 and .30cal. Sounds pretty reasonable. The Optimus Micro isn’t marketed as a rugged do it all can, rather a little more specialized, so that one still makes sense to me. The GP series is their budget line, again, makes sense to me.
However, the pricing of the Paladin 5 doesn’t make a whole lot of sense considering where the rest of the market is. Also, offering so many different models could be a strategy to capture many different buyers or allow a buyer with different needs to remain in the Griffin brand, but it may also confuse buyers. I was willing to spend the extra $150 for my Paladin .30 over the Recce 7 only because I have an ultrasonic cleaner and figured it would be nice to be able to clean my can every few thousand rounds or couple years vs just accepting that a rifle can will get a little heavier over time and lose a little bit of performance. Big deal? No but a $150 convenience I was OK with. |
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Already have a Paladin in .30 cal waiting in jail, so no interest. Even if the 5.56 version were available when I bought, I’d still go with the .30 cal version. It’s fairly expensive, so why limit yourself to 5.56?
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Maybe the Griffin crew could grace us with their presence and sell us on the idea
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I can see it both ways. It makes sense to have 22 cal version. But then again, they already offer an endcap for the palidan.
What would make more sense is a 338 version of the Palidan. |
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Already have a Paladin in .30 cal waiting in jail, so no interest. Even if the 5.56 version were available when I bought, I’d still go with the .30 cal version. It’s fairly expensive, so why limit yourself to 5.56? View Quote 5.56 cans are generally lighter and shorter. I’m the type of person that would rather buy one of each instead of swapping cans around all day Different strokes and all that |
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The Paladin is a user serviceable Recce. They’ve stated such with regard to the .30cal versions. So they’re now offering the Recce line and Paladin line in .233 and .30cal. Sounds pretty reasonable. View Quote A lot of new can owners are torn on getting a .22 can vs. something for their centerfire stuff. Being able to disassemble and clean means you can use it for both of those things and save $200 on a stamp. I don't think the price is out of line with the features at all. |
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There are several options in our line and I understand how that can be seen as confusing. Were not trying to tell the customer, "you need all of these products." We also arent saying, "You need this ONE product that we make because it is our only class product. " We are rather making different great options that allow end users to buy what they know will meet their personal requirements most ideally. And part of why they exist is that they all do something really well that we see as catering to a different market.
The Recce 5 is a good tough general purpose centerfire .224 suppressor equally at home on a carbine or a bolt gun. The Paladin brings Recce performance into a lighter, user serviceable class product for the premium end users who are looking at hybrid or full titanium products. The M4SD series are hard use cans targeted at strictly m4 carbine users who want snap on mounting and totally carbine oriented products- products that look good, run hard, add fun to the carbine experience. The GP5 is a affordable, light, durable thread mount suppressor for people wanting to pin an upper or who like thread mounts or who like light affordable products that work well. We had customers asking for thread mounts when we made the Spartan 3 its predecessor, and the GP5 is an improvement allowing installation under a rail, and slightly improving sound performance. The Optimus Micro was really a rimfire product for the rimfire class which we saw as impossibly competitive at this point with new products constantly attempting to obsolete others with different, [sometimes less useful or more useful] features. We realized only incredible products work in that category. So we designed the micro ground up for unparalleled versatility in the rimfire class by building it 5.56 and 22/250 capable while delivering solid sound performance in that centerfire category via a taper mount interfaced configuration. The micro is also mp5 full size 3 lug compatible and 5.2" oal in that config and in the direct thread config while being capable of 116db performance on a rimfire pistol. Mp5 3 lug compatible is something end users preferred to dedicated. 22lr miniature three lugs. We have other winter release products, one of which is our 5th 5.56 class product family offering, and I say that because the Micro was intended to be our rimfire class product, and the only reason we dont currently have two in production offerings in that class, is because rimfire is a tough marketplace where companies spend a lot of R&D for low market priced products that require increasingly high cost to manufacture as that market matures, and quite frankly they dont warrant more time in my opinion. We love silencers but we have maybe a dozen new products developed in 2018, and we have to focus resources where they make sense. Besides the obvious that the micro is one of the best class products available, and is somewhat alone, in a super durable rimfire class that it created. |
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Hmm, now I’m intrigued on what the new 5.56 offering is going to be. Was looking to pick up a Recce 5 during a hopefully holiday sale before the end of the year.
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I'm not sure how anyone can classify 143db+ at the ear as "good." It is the same as other high back pressure cans.
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I don’t feel like, as an Optimus Micro owner, that this is close to an OPM. It’s 4+/- oz heavier, no barrel restrictions (12.5” 5.56 limit with the taper mount), the OD... just to start with. The Paladin 5 seems like it’s made for much higher volume (even though I’m shooting a lot through the OPM from 5.56 and 224 Valkyrie) I like the concept of it a lot, the 12.5oz is appealing, but for the price I’d have to suck up the 2oz and get another Recce 5. However, I do remember the OPM unveiling a while back and it got a lot of flak, like “who would ever want that?” but I knew right off the bat it fit my criteria. The Paladin 5 is probably like that also The Optimus Micro is getting a lot of action this hunting season....hardly noticeable carrying my rifle in the woods. http://i.imgur.com/j13cax4.jpg View Quote |
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There will be a fairly strong promo coming. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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An AGB will help, but cannot alleviate the problem entirely. You can reduce flow, but not speed and pressure. Lower back pressure designs (to a point) + AGB>>>High back pressure+AGB.
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I have the Paladin .30 iir what they also call the Griffin ALPHA
Love this can. If you want you can change out the 30 cal. end cap to a .22 cal end cap for 5.56. I have the RECCE 5 MOD3 also. Hell I went nuts and bought 9 suppressors at one time. Love them all One of my favorites though is the GRIFFIN SPR 5.56 OTB I want to get the .22 cal end cap for the Paladin .30 and see how it works on a SBR 5.56 The Paladin .30 works great on 6.8 spc and 300 blkout I really really like the tapered mounts also |
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I have the Paladin .30 iir what they also call the Griffin ALPHA Love this can. If you want you can change out the 30 cal. end cap to a .22 cal end cap for 5.56. I have the RECCE 5 MOD3 also. Hell I went nuts and bought 9 suppressors at one time. Love them all One of my favorites though is the GRIFFIN SPR 5.56 OTB I want to get the .22 cal end cap for the Paladin .30 and see how it works on a SBR 5.56 The Paladin .30 works great on 6.8 spc and 300 blkout I really really like the tapered mounts also View Quote I think anyone looking at the Recce 7 should give the palidan a hard look before buying. |
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I have the Paladin .30 iir what they also call the Griffin ALPHA Love this can. If you want you can change out the 30 cal. end cap to a .22 cal end cap for 5.56. I have the RECCE 5 MOD3 also. Hell I went nuts and bought 9 suppressors at one time. Love them all One of my favorites though is the GRIFFIN SPR 5.56 OTB I want to get the .22 cal end cap for the Paladin .30 and see how it works on a SBR 5.56 The Paladin .30 works great on 6.8 spc and 300 blkout I really really like the tapered mounts also View Quote |
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I'm glad you like it. When the Paladin came out under the Alpha name, when we first fired it we felt it was the most ideal multi role can we had run up to that point in time- it does ~134 in 5.56mm without the 5.56mm end cap and ~139 at the ear. At 15 ounces, the Paladin 7 is lighter than a lot of 5.56mm cans. 6.5 sounds great also. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have the Paladin .30 iir what they also call the Griffin ALPHA Love this can. If you want you can change out the 30 cal. end cap to a .22 cal end cap for 5.56. I have the RECCE 5 MOD3 also. Hell I went nuts and bought 9 suppressors at one time. Love them all One of my favorites though is the GRIFFIN SPR 5.56 OTB I want to get the .22 cal end cap for the Paladin .30 and see how it works on a SBR 5.56 The Paladin .30 works great on 6.8 spc and 300 blkout I really really like the tapered mounts also Really like GRIFFIN btw. I own the RSTA OTB 30 CAL SPR OTB 5.56 RESISTANCE 9. Works great with .22 cal- up PALADIN 30 cal. With included adaptor great .22 and up RECCE 5 MOD3 I also have the TI RANT 45 YANKEE TITANIUM 30 CAL WARLOCK .22 CAL HYBRID But now I'm still feeling the urge to buy more for some reason. It's like a drug. |
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Put the quiet muzzle can on bolt gun and your ear numbers are in the 120s.
Without a suppressor ~ 158db right ear is normal for ar-15's so dropping that number is pretty helpful because 158 is like shooting a 9mm handgun unsuppressed. Dbs being logarithmic 15-18db reduction at the ear on the louder ar platform is phenomenal difference in safety. Ar-15's are not great host weapons for low operator hearing levels, and they are on the better end of autoloading action types. The best cans we have tested are about 140 flat at the right ear on 556 ars. An m4sdk will do that. A paladin 7 will do that. The left ear (non ejection port side) will drop about 6.5db. These are all numbers from guns with civilian gas ports for running broad pressure variation ammunition from russian steel cased to NATO pressure, and always metered with NATO pressure ammo. Adjustable gas, heavier buffers like h2 , charging handles like ours or pri that redirect gas, and lower pressure ammo will all drop those numbers. The best cans weve metered at ear, are cans we produce. Surefires socom cans are right there- good at right ear numbers but they are ~ 3-4db louder than our cans at the muzzle- still good performing cans. Weve metered other big brands as bad as 149 at the ear on 556 guns. For referrence AAC m4-2000's were metered independently by major malfunction at ~144 right ear. We have metered KAC NT4's at 143. Both cans have a good reputation for solid performance. Apparently the oss products might do ~139 but they give up ~12db at the muzzle to do that and thats a garbage win imo. I would consider any 556 can over 140db @ muzzle to be not worth the weight or the cost of a suppressor. Most spectators would be underwhelmed at 556 suppressed with muzzle noise louder than an unsuppressed 10/22 with hyper velocity ammo. This serviceable suppressor is ~6.2" oal, ~40% lighter than other respected, sealed market offerings that it is meeting or beating in performance. Fyi unrelated to the paladin 5- 300 blackout right ear numbers on most of our cans with our 300blk mk1 carbines are sub 139db with subsonic and supersonic ammo. 300blk is probably producing lower gas system pressure. This is interesting because 300blk guns are running oversized ports for cycling subsonic and supersonic ammo. 300blk dedicated supersonic rigs would be really nice for operator noise levels. |
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Oh no doubt on the 300 blkout. I just started hunting hog using one. I am using the new black tip ammo designed for 300 blkout by barnes. Plus a well placed sub shot under 75 yds will drop one in its tracks.
That said though. You better have a very good sight picture and be a very good shooter using subs. Plus use a good bullets. Shooting one using a sub and alot of times the others just stand there looking around or do not even really notice. IF YOU GET A KILL SHOT THAT DROPS THEM. Also yes, using a bolt gun suppressed is way quieter than a semi for obvious reasons. But I also use a LWRC SIX8 6.8 spc with the Paladin 30 works great. The SCAR 17 AND BLACK RAIN ORDINANCE AR10 with the RSTA 30 GREAT suppressor But there is something about the 300 blkout I just really like. Maybe the fact the brass is easy to find and cheap, also to make. Plus the 30 cal bullet. Where as the 6.8 spc brass is hard to find and extremely expensive. |
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Hey Green0
I read some place that with the Resistance 9. That you could use the blast shield gen 2 as a blast chamber on the Resistance 9. This would not only allow it to be used with taper mounts. But also allow the Resistance to be used to fire in a limited fashion all the way up to 308 is this true. If so explain please. |
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Hey Green0 I read some place that with the Resistance 9. That you could use the blast shield gen 2 as a blast chamber on the Resistance 9. This would not only allow it to be used with taper mounts. But also allow the Resistance to be used to fire in a limited fashion all the way up to 308 is this true. If so explain please. View Quote The rev extension would yield a 556 config. |
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Quoted: I'm glad you like it. When the Paladin came out under the Alpha name, when we first fired it we felt it was the most ideal multi role can we had run up to that point in time- it does ~134 in 5.56mm without the 5.56mm end cap and ~139 at the ear. At 15 ounces, the Paladin 7 is lighter than a lot of 5.56mm cans. 6.5 sounds great also. View Quote I can attest to this.. my Alpha on both my bolt 6.5s and AR10s is amazingly good. Kinda makes me wish they had a dedicated.264 endcap for it. Everyone that has shot my Alpha has bought one. Extremely light weight and awesome performance and I can run all the subsonic 300blk I want without worries about gunking up the can because I can pull it apart and tumble the baffles. It gets missed a lot but it's worth noting the Alpha/Palidan can be used on 300 Norma and 300 RUM. Really want one in 338. |
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