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Posted: 8/2/2018 4:06:12 PM EDT
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I load all my high pressure with full power loads of my small cased pistol calibers, 40s&w, 10mm, and 45 Super, with Alliant's Power Pistol powder. For my G22 and G23 CCW pieces, I load 180grn Speer Gold Dots at 7.2grns which is Alliant's max load listed in their 2017 Load Data. Power Pistol powder gives good velocity and produces recoil with more of a strong push than a snap. It gives slightly better velocities, more consistent performance, and lower SDs when it's used with magnum primers. I use CCI 550 Magnum primers in all my small primer pistol loads and CCI 350 Magnum primers in all my large primer pistol loads.
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Posted: 8/2/2018 7:02:13 PM EDT
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My suggestion is Power Pistol or look at Unique. It is what Alliant lists on their online reloading data.
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Posted: 8/3/2018 9:24:47 AM EDT
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I load all my high pressure with full power loads of my small cased pistol calibers, 40s&w, 10mm, and 45 Super, with Alliant's Power Pistol powder. For my G22 and G23 CCW pieces, I load 180grn Speer Gold Dots at 7.2grns which is Alliant's max load listed in their 2017 Load Data. Power Pistol powder gives good velocity and produces recoil with more of a strong push than a snap. It gives slightly better velocities, more consistent performance, and lower SDs when it's used with magnum primers. I use CCI 550 Magnum primers in all my small primer pistol loads and CCI 350 Magnum primers in all my large primer pistol loads. |
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Posted: 8/3/2018 9:25:36 AM EDT
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My suggestion is Power Pistol or look at Unique. It is what Alliant lists on their online reloading data. |
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Posted: 8/3/2018 9:37:20 AM EDT
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I would try Be86 if you are making any defensive loads. It has burn characteristics similar but not exact to power pistol with flash retardant added
Try both. A lot of fast burn powders are low flash anyhow without the retardants. It’s a bit complicated though as it can change with factors; calibers, bullet weight, barrel length and other more subtle things. I have using clays and clays universal up only because I have lots from shotguns days Edited for spell check screwing up the powder name. Sorry for not catching it sooner. |
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Posted: 8/3/2018 9:41:09 PM EDT
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My 180gr FMJ .40 loads for USPSA use Titegroup (4.5gr I think). I am at 1000fps with no pressure signs in a G35. Power Pistol can make a big flash, if that matters.
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Posted: 8/3/2018 11:05:26 PM EDT
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power pistol for hot loads
WST or TG for USPSA-IPSC target load that still make major PF. . |
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Posted: 8/4/2018 4:15:44 PM EDT
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Of those I would use Power Pistol.
Some folks seem to think that Power Pistol is a bit "flashy". Clearly these folks have never used Blue Dot. 
Never even heard of BE 86, had to look it up. Apparently it's new. Looks like it would be worth trying. Might be a touch fast for 180 grain bullets but it's supposed to have flash suppressants, and the manufactures max load claims just over 1000 fps. |
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Posted: 8/4/2018 4:26:47 PM EDT
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Universal is a good powder.
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Posted: 8/5/2018 10:02:04 PM EDT
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BE-86 has worked great for me! I love it. Great accuracy, clean burning and good velocity.
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Posted: 8/6/2018 1:56:39 AM EDT
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I would try Be86 if you are making any defensive loads. It has burn characteristics similar but not exact to lower pistol with flash retardant added Try both. A lot of fast burn powders are low flash anyhow without the retardants. It's a bit complicated though as it can change with factors; calibers, bullet weight, barrel length and other more subtle things. I have using clays and clays universal up only because I have lots from shotguns days |
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Posted: 8/6/2018 9:12:25 AM EDT
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I'll echo BE-86. There was an Alliant employee on one of the other boards who made some comments. IIRC (feel free to correct me if I am wrong), Unique, Power Pistol, and BE-86 are all in the same family. In fact, I believe Unique and Power Pistol both have BE-XX identifiers. One common complaint about Unique is that it could meter better. BE-86 is a smaller flake, and meters better. I believe BE-86 falls in between Unique and PP in terms of burn rate (in the right spot for 40 S&W). I have used BE-86, Unique, Power Pistol, and Bullseye. They are all great powders. Finishing up my last bit of 32 lbs of Unique. Of the three, Bullseye is the only one I personally wouldn't use in 40 S&W (too fast). I've never found the need to use magnum primers with the Alliant flake powders.
To do bad things, I've recently got into Longshot. Behind 135 gr Nosler in 40 S&W It really wakes that cartridge up. What does 40 S&W do that 9x19 doesn't...How about a 135 gr bullet at 1500 fps inside SAAMI pressures. |
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Posted: 8/9/2018 9:32:18 AM EDT
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I finished a charge ladder using Power Pistol and the HST pulls.
Next I’ll be working up a charge ladder with BE-86. Hopefully I can shoot them this weekend to see how they perform. |
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Posted: 8/10/2018 9:41:04 AM EDT
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Share your results when you get around to it.
I have the BE86 on the shelf but have not done enough work with it yet. I have to empty the brass before I fill it. 
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Posted: 8/10/2018 4:51:43 PM EDT
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I made charge ladders with both Power Pistol and BE-86. I started at 10% less than Alliant’s max for a JHP, and loaded right up to almost max. Every round functioned without issue.
In my pistol the HST bullet was more accurate at higher loads and more acccurate with BE-86. Since it was s bright summer day outside, I did not notice any difference in muzzle flash. Best accuracy was on par with factory loads. Recoil was also on par with factory HST. I’d note this is a 1st gen M&P, complete with stock mushy trigger. It’s plenty accurate for social work, but far from a target pistol. No pressure signs on any recovered brass. I’m going to make a second load group with max BE-86 and shoot over a chrono alongside factory HST. |
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Posted: 8/10/2018 8:27:08 PM EDT
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Sounds like things are going well. Thanks for the progress report.
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Posted: 8/11/2018 11:14:26 AM EDT
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Sounds like things are going well. Thanks for the progress report. A few more details about this load: Alliant lists a min COL of 1.12” on their 180 gr .40 JHP loads (both Power Pistol and BE-86). I measured a bunch of factory Federal HST rounds with 180 gr bullet and they were all right at 1.126”. I’m seating my HST pulls wiry a setting that produces 1.127” to 1.130” cartridges. I’m using Lee does in a Lee Classic Turret, and I see a few thousandths of dispersion on my searing depths. Also using CCI500 primers. |
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Posted: 8/11/2018 9:59:32 PM EDT
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I've been loading 5.4 gr of VV N-320 behind 180gr Zero truncated FMJ and now HAP JHP touched off with WSR primers for many years. Great shooting major power factor load for USPSA out of an STI 2011.
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Posted: 8/12/2018 12:32:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, andvI appreciate the advice early in this thread. A few more details about this load: Alliant lists a min COL of 1.12” on their 180 gr .40 JHP loads (both Power Pistol and BE-86). I measured a bunch of factory Federal HST rounds with 180 gr bullet and they were all right at 1.126”. I’m seating my HST pulls wiry a setting that produces 1.127” to 1.130” cartridges. I’m using Lee does in a Lee Classic Turret, and I see a few thousandths of dispersion on my searing depths. Also using CCI500 primers. I can see two likely causes for this variation. The first is a mismatch between the bullet profile and the seating punch that prevents the punch from fitting each bullet identically. The usual fix is to either get/make a custom punch that exactly matches your bullets, or to adapt the punch (with wax, epoxy, etc) to fit. The second is an issue that some turret presses experience: the turret can be not quite rigid and thus allow the seating die to be just a little different depth now and then. Usually there's a way to tighten down the turret so that it doesn't move as much. This is often more of a problem with sizing cases than with seating bullets, but it's a possibility to be aware of. |
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Posted: 8/12/2018 2:28:11 PM EDT
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Off the top of my head I think I'm using 6.2 grains of Power Pistol with 180 grain Hornady jacketed bullets seated at 1.135". It duplicates store bought ammo at around 950 fps.
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Posted: 8/21/2018 1:53:51 PM EDT
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Most folks say it's too dirty, but I have not really noticed,but Blue Dot has produced excellent velocity.
Fully supported chamber only !!! old school,high velocity powder. Later John |
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