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Posted: 4/26/2020 2:59:45 PM EDT
This is to help with identification of WWII Garand sights
The Type I Lock Bars are somewhat rare and the hardest of all sights to find, much harder than the earlier SA flush nuts. They were only used for a 5-6 month span. Last Type I sight I saw sold for $950 . These are not to be confused with the later type II and type III lock bar sights. Those sell in the $130 or less range    Type I locking bar on the right, Type III on the left (type II has same size hole, just the ends of bar are rounded) The type I has a smaller pinion thread hole  Type I on right The type I has a short pinion with 6-40 threads , type I & II has long pinion with 8-36 threads. As you can see the type I bar is only screwed on by a few threads.  The earlier flush nut sight uses the same short pinion but a spanner or flush nut to secure it  You couldn't disassemble the flush nut sight without a tool. The end of the combo tool (with two pins) was used for this 
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Posted: 4/27/2020 3:13:47 PM EDT
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Have a Type 1 on my British Lend-lease #541,xxx
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Posted: 4/27/2020 4:07:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have a Type 1 on my British Lend-lease #541,xxx Nice...Any pics of the rifle? |
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Posted: 4/27/2020 8:44:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/28/2020 5:27:49 AM EDT
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Looks like type III but kinda hard to tell from the pic. You would need to disassemble the sight to know for sure and compare pinion
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Posted: 4/28/2020 8:43:24 AM EDT
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None of the CMP M1's I've bought (four SA from 42 through 44) had lock bar sights on them.
But the M1A I bought new in 1978 had a set of lock bar sights on it. Funny how stuff like that happens. |
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Posted: 4/28/2020 9:08:48 AM EDT
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My Springfield M1A also has one on it.
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Posted: 4/28/2020 9:13:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like type III but kinda hard to tell from the pic. You would need to disassemble the sight to know for sure and compare pinion Neat thanks. This rifle is a funny assortment of parts. |
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Posted: 4/28/2020 5:53:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice...Any pics of the rifle? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have a Type 1 on my British Lend-lease #541,xxx Nice...Any pics of the rifle? Unfortunately no...and it's in a different location 
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Posted: 4/30/2020 6:01:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rgrprib: My Springfield M1A also has one on it. It was not unusual years ago for SAI M1A's to have type II or III lock bar sights |
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Posted: 5/2/2020 9:06:52 PM EDT
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Be careful if buying lock bar sights as there is accompany reproducing them. They might be OK but don't pay USGI prices for commercial parts
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Posted: 5/4/2020 1:38:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M1G: Be careful if buying lock bar sights as there is accompany reproducing them. They might be OK but don't pay USGI prices for commercial parts Luckily the repro parts are quite easy to spot at least as far as the windage and elevation knobs go. |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 3:58:24 PM EDT
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Except for the new collector who don't know any better. There is even a company that sells "weathered" lock bars
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Posted: 5/4/2020 8:27:49 PM EDT
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I have one of the first 650 Winchester’s made. They did not have lock bars that early, I do know that. But damned if I can not figure out how to find the correct set of flush unless that last pic you have is the ones that are that early.
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Posted: 5/5/2020 9:50:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MeAndMyAR: I have one of the first 650 Winchester’s made. They did not have lock bars that early, I do know that. But damned if I can not figure out how to find the correct set of flush unless that last pic you have is the ones that are that early. A set of original WRA flush nut sights for your rifle are going to cost more than the rifle did. |
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Posted: 5/5/2020 3:45:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MeAndMyAR: I have one of the first 650 Winchester’s made. They did not have lock bars that early, I do know that. But damned if I can not figure out how to find the correct set of flush unless that last pic you have is the ones that are that early. Last pic is SA flush nut sight, WRA Flush Nut will run you in the $1000 range |
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Posted: 5/7/2020 3:20:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2020 3:56:43 PM EDT
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What hurts value on that one is its been refinished. Still you don't see them very often
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Posted: 5/8/2020 7:37:10 AM EDT
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It sold quick too. Looks like at that price that will be one part this rifle will be missing.
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Posted: 5/8/2020 10:08:56 AM EDT
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My Winnie falls in the first 65k that were built and also should have a flush nut rear sight. I ended up putting a type II WRA sight on it with knurled knobs.
My 1942 SA should also be a flush nut and I got lucky finding a short pinion in a jar of rusty M1 sights at a flea market. Added an original checkered SA elevation cap and a type I lockbar and called it good. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 12:59:32 PM EDT
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Just had a Type I lockbar and flush nut sell real quick on the CMP forums.
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=263624 |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 5:26:04 PM EDT
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The seller could have got more out of the flush nut...………….
Neither one come up for sale very often, and when they do they sell fast |
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