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Posted: 7/27/2020 11:56:57 AM EDT
Anyone ever splurged on one of these? I've been waiting for them to have a 10% off sale, but they haven't in a long time. I own an original Quality Hardware M1, but I've been thinking of a new M1 as an all around carbine that isn't an AR (already have that well-covered) and that could be okay if my state institutes another ban. I would much rather have a new M1 if it's something I might use for defense and all of the other "new" M1 carbines seem spotty at best in terms of quality.
So, can anyone provide feedback? Do they only have 1 sale a year? Thanks |
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Thanks, Don! Yes, they did increase prices. I should’ve bought it a while ago when I was first looking.
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Quoted: Thanks, Don! Yes, they did increase prices. I should’ve bought it a while ago when I was first looking. View Quote Your welcome If the Feds hand out another $1200 bucks I might use that as a base and get either another complete FA or this https://www.fulton-armory.com/fulton-armory-m1-carbine-barreled-action-complete-1.aspx I've got a complete spare stock, and would swipe the IMB trigger group from this temporarily while I scrounged parts to replace it https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/New-Plainfield-M-1-Carbine/14-513941/&page=1&anc=5347196#i5347196 I figure I could scrounge up a trigger group (even buy a new Auto Ordnance one to put on the Plainfield) up and not go too much over $1200 bucks. I need another Carbine like I need a hole in the head but really want to spend the next Trump bucks payout on a gun |
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In case you've not seen this yet:
Fulton Armory M1 Carbine - the best in class |
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How reliable are these? Ive seen mac's videos, but wanting some non-influencer feed back.
I have an older auto ordnance that ftf pretty randomly. I had to add a feed ramp because there wasn't one haha. It'd jam up pretty nasty 4 to 5 times per mag. |
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Quoted: How reliable are these? Ive seen mac's videos, but wanting some non-influencer feed back. I have an older auto ordnance that ftf pretty randomly. I had to add a feed ramp because there wasn't one haha. It'd jam up pretty nasty 4 to 5 times per mag. View Quote Did you try multiple mags? Different ammo? How about replacing the springs? |
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Quoted: Did you try multiple mags? Different ammo? How about replacing the springs? View Quote Yeah I've got iirc 14 mags for it all but 1 gi mag. Tried several different brands of ammo. So far its favorite is tula, go figure. I would like to try buffalo bore next but times are though. I haven't replaced any springs on the gun yet, mags all got new springs. Will 100% be replacing all springs in the gun before its next outing, especially before i run the buffalo bore. I will say, with the tula its probably 1 in 60ish rounds will ftf. Work in progress |
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Quoted: How reliable are these? Ive seen mac's videos, but wanting some non-influencer feed back. I have an older auto ordnance that ftf pretty randomly. I had to add a feed ramp because there wasn't one haha. It'd jam up pretty nasty 4 to 5 times per mag. View Quote I had one of the early Auto Ordnance Carbines myself 2007 and it was the biggest POS I've ever owned. Repeated FTF and Fte issues. I sent it back under warranty 2 times and the only thing they would do is modify perfectly good USGI mags to work on it that I sent with the return. Those mags were reliable on the 2 USGI and 2 Commercial Carbines that I owned at the time. My Fulton Armory has been very reliable since I got it, 1 FTF on 500 rounds so far and that was magazine related IMO |
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Quoted: Yeah I've got iirc 14 mags for it all but 1 gi mag. Tried several different brands of ammo. So far its favorite is tula, go figure. I would like to try buffalo bore next but times are though. I haven't replaced any springs on the gun yet, mags all got new springs. Will 100% be replacing all springs in the gun before its next outing, especially before i run the buffalo bore. I will say, with the tula its probably 1 in 60ish rounds will ftf. Work in progress View Quote I've dealt a bit with FTF's on three carbines; a Standard Mfg., an Inland and a commercial Iver Johnson. The Inland, without any modification, feeds anything within reason except cast FN bullets. The Standard are Iver are much better after some polishing of the feed ramps. That said all of them would feed RN's and SP's without a hitch. Would you mind taking some photos of the feed ramp and the rear of the chamber? |
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So before I cut the ramp in, it was a radiused 90°. The rounds would hit it and either get stuck or flip straight up.
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Thanks for the pics. The ramp and throat look good to me.
I did some loading and chronographing of my carbines this evening and found something peculiar.... I loaded 20 rounds of these little blunt cast bullets that normally don't feed well at all- I stuck five in an AI military mag, and ran them over the chronograph. They fed perfectly. So I loaded the remaining 15 in the magazine and shot them at 100 yds. The first 7 or 8 jammed, but after that, the rest fed perfectly. Makes me wonder if super stiff magazine springs are causing problems. Here's another suggestion- Register on the Cast Boolit site and look up a member named Larry Gibson. He's been loading for and shooting carbines since the '60's and has probably forgotten more than most of us will ever know. He's a super nice guy and has been very helpful for me. Keep us posted! |
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Eagerly awaiting mine after hearing nothing but good things about them.
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Quoted: Eagerly awaiting mine after hearing nothing but good things about them. View Quote Excellent, post pictures and give us a range report. I'm thinking of ordering another myself, just waiting to see what the election does. If the grabbers win I'll hit my savings and get 1 going, since ordering guns like this is a top thing the libtards want to ban |
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Will do!
Truth be known, the damn 4 month wait is KILLING ME and I just had to buy a USGI carbine. Runs great, an Underwood. We’ll see how the Fulton stacks up to the genuine article when it gets here. I plan to do a thorough comparison thread on them. |
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Quoted: Very cool! Those look great. Here is my Underwood: https://i.postimg.cc/G35VcdhF/33865369-BFB3-4178-A3-E2-A35504-DF5-FD6.jpg View Quote That looks sharp. I sort of wish I had a bayonet sometimes but figure the only way I would ever use it is in Zombieland I'm avoiding this right now on Gunbroker https://www.gunbroker.com/item/879976235 James River Armory tried competing with FA a few years ago with the quality M-1 Carbine market. The receiver is the same as the FA model (made by Lewis Machine Tool), USGI parts and a Criterion barrel same as FA. Fulton has a larger shop so from what I gather JRA gave up making their version after a few hundred. This one is overpriced IMO (JRA only asked $1200 for them new) but if the seller relists it at a better price I might be tempted. No way would I pay his "buy it now" price, I'd get another FA 1st. $800-900 would be a better price IMO for a used "Commercial" Carbine from a manufacture no longer supporting the product |
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Quoted: That looks sharp. I sort of wish I had a bayonet sometimes but figure the only way I would ever use it is in Zombieland I'm avoiding this right now on Gunbroker https://www.gunbroker.com/item/879976235 James River Armory tried competing with FA a few years ago with the quality M-1 Carbine market. The receiver is the same as the FA model (made by Lewis Machine Tool), USGI parts and a Criterion barrel same as FA. Fulton has a larger shop so from what I gather JRA gave up making their version after a few hundred. This one is overpriced IMO (JRA only asked $1200 for them new) but if the seller relists it at a better price I might be tempted. No way would I pay his "buy it now" price, I'd get another FA 1st. $800-900 would be a better price IMO for a used "Commercial" Carbine from a manufacture no longer supporting the product View Quote Damn that looks good though. I agree, not worth that money since it’s used. I never even considered anything less than a Fulton for a commercial carbine. James River seemed very nice too but like you said they’re discontinued. Just too many lousy reports on the new Inlands, Auto Ordnance, etc. I didn’t want to have to fuck with that and all reports on the Fulton product are stellar. |
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Quoted: Damn that looks good though. I agree, not worth that money since it’s used. I never even considered anything less than a Fulton for a commercial carbine. James River seemed very nice too but like you said they’re discontinued. Just too many lousy reports on the new Inlands, Auto Ordnance, etc. I didn’t want to have to fuck with that and all reports on the Fulton product are stellar. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: That looks sharp. I sort of wish I had a bayonet sometimes but figure the only way I would ever use it is in Zombieland I'm avoiding this right now on Gunbroker https://www.gunbroker.com/item/879976235 James River Armory tried competing with FA a few years ago with the quality M-1 Carbine market. The receiver is the same as the FA model (made by Lewis Machine Tool), USGI parts and a Criterion barrel same as FA. Fulton has a larger shop so from what I gather JRA gave up making their version after a few hundred. This one is overpriced IMO (JRA only asked $1200 for them new) but if the seller relists it at a better price I might be tempted. No way would I pay his "buy it now" price, I'd get another FA 1st. $800-900 would be a better price IMO for a used "Commercial" Carbine from a manufacture no longer supporting the product Damn that looks good though. I agree, not worth that money since it’s used. I never even considered anything less than a Fulton for a commercial carbine. James River seemed very nice too but like you said they’re discontinued. Just too many lousy reports on the new Inlands, Auto Ordnance, etc. I didn’t want to have to fuck with that and all reports on the Fulton product are stellar. I don't know about current Auto Ordnance Carbines but the one I bought in 2007 was a POS that spent most of the year warranty going back and forth to the manufacturer trying to fix feed issues. James River Armory got mixed reviews, they seemed to have problems with the quality of their finish not being consistent. Fulton Armory matches the finish from what I've seen and did a great job refinishing one of the Inlands I sent them |
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Quoted: Will do! Truth be known, the damn 4 month wait is KILLING ME and I just had to buy a USGI carbine. Runs great, an Underwood. We’ll see how the Fulton stacks up to the genuine article when it gets here. I plan to do a thorough comparison thread on them. View Quote I just checked FA's website, 18+ weeks.....ouch!!. I think I'll go ahead and order my 2nd one now and figure 5 months to ship it. That'll give me plenty of time to work overtime at work and pay for it then. |
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Quoted: Danke. I was going to wait till next year but figured better get it now, just in case the libtards win next month View Quote I just bought a Fulton bolt and spare parts to fix my original Underwood that is having issues. I just pray to god that the 12-16 weeks was accurate when I placed my order 10 weeks ago with them. I’ve bought 5K rounds of .30 carbine ammo and am 100% dedicated to this platform now. I LOVE the carbines and plan to make the Fulton my primary defensive rifle provided it runs well. |
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Quoted: I just bought a Fulton bolt and spare parts to fix my original Underwood that is having issues. I just pray to god that the 12-16 weeks was accurate when I placed my order 10 weeks ago with them. I’ve bought 5K rounds of .30 carbine ammo and am 100% dedicated to this platform now. I LOVE the carbines and plan to make the Fulton my primary defensive rifle provided it runs well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Danke. I was going to wait till next year but figured better get it now, just in case the libtards win next month I just bought a Fulton bolt and spare parts to fix my original Underwood that is having issues. I just pray to god that the 12-16 weeks was accurate when I placed my order 10 weeks ago with them. I’ve bought 5K rounds of .30 carbine ammo and am 100% dedicated to this platform now. I LOVE the carbines and plan to make the Fulton my primary defensive rifle provided it runs well. Did you check headspace on the new bolt? That's critical on Carbines. I've always loved Carbines, owned one for decades. I've had 11-12 of them over the years, with the one on order I'll have 6, 4 will be full time shooters. I want to say the time frame on Fulton just changed this week. I check their site once a week and just noticed that banner this week. The only reason I wouldn't run a Carbine in SHTF is mags. I'm testing those I own now (23 of them) and not 1 will run 100% on all of my Carbines. Having said that the Carbine is now my primary shooting rifle, mainly because I can replace ammo as I shoot it at a reasonable price. I've several AR's but their "parked" as long as the price of ammo stays where it's at. I've enough to cover Zombieland or CWII but that's only because I figure I either survive and use pick up ammo or end up a zombie and then it's eating brains time |
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Real USGI 15 rounders work best. Yes I will check headspace.
So you mentioned you ran 500 rounds through your Fulton with only one malfunction but you think it was magazine related? |
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Quoted: Real USGI 15 rounders work best. Yes I will check headspace. So you mentioned you ran 500 rounds through your Fulton with only one malfunction but you think it was magazine related? View Quote That's right. It was when I tried the FA provided 15 round magazine 1st range session, at round 15. I wrote it off as a tight mag spring. Since then no problems with that mag in the FA. It's become one of my "range mags" Too be honest when I shoot at the range I've been loading 10 rounds at a time. I've always done that when shooting rifles just to control my ammo usage. I do run 15 rounds the last 30 rounds I take though. I've a mix of USGI and KCI mags here, some of my USGI mags though I've had for many years and I know they need new springs or followers |
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The malfunction issue is strange to me. I have several different magazines (15 round only)from new KCI, to NOS military to old, used military. As long as I'm using FMJ ammunition or SP ammunition with a profile similar to original ball, function is pretty close to 100%. But I did discover something recently.
When developing a plinking load, I used a cast SWC running around 1600 fps. My MO is to handload 10 rounds, load five in a magazine, shoot them over the chronograph that I keep set up in my shop door, then walk to the bench, load the remaining five cartridges and shoot a 100 yd. group. Function, regardless of which of my three carbines I used was near 100%. That is until I filled a 15 round magazine, in which case I'd have to manually cycle the action for the first 7, 8 or 9 rounds afterwhich the action would begin feeding the rounds. What I finally figured out was when the magazine is full, the magazine spring is obviously under greater pressure, pushing up harder on the rounds in the magazine, which are in turn putting more pressure on the bottom of the bolt as it travels rearward, sliding over the top cartridge in the magazine. Once the magazine begins to empty and the spring relaxes, there is less pressure on the bottom of the bolt and it can more easily travel to its full rearward position, picking up the next cartridge in the magazine. Maybe this explains why 30 round magazines are notorious for poor feeding. Soon, I intend to take a close look at the bottom of my bolts to see if polishing them might help. |
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I've found over the past few months most of my FTF problems tend to be ammo or mag related. I've found Aquila brand ammo gave me the most issues, it's underpowered IMO
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Ok, I took 3 Carbines to the range today, the FA, my Howachester and the Plainfield to test mags, 100 rounds per gun.
The FA ran 100% on the FA mag that came with with, 2 10 round tests and 2 15 round tests. I then tried 2 of my KCI mags, labeled 1 and 2 for testing. KCI 1 ran 1 10 round and 1 15 round test fine. KCI 2 ran the 10 round fine but did a FTE on round 15. I've had KCI mags do that before other Carbines so that doesn't surprise me. The Howachester the same on the FA and KCI 1. The later though I only ran 10 rounds through 3 times. KCI 2 failed the 10 round test 2 times between 5-10 rounds. I was 1/2 expecting that since that mag has had problems in the Howachester before. The Plainfield on the other hand didn't like the FA mag, which my "log" shows (I'm annul, I keep track of mags on Carbines). 2 10 round tests it failed between 5-10 AGAIN!. On the other hand it loves KCI 1, every 10 round test I ran with that it ate it up. Go figure, if I ain't mentioned if I EVER find a M-1 Carbine mag that works on EVERY M-1 Carbine I own I'll stop playing the Lottery...because I'll have used all my luck on that |
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Quoted: Ok, I took 3 Carbines to the range today, the FA, my Howachester and the Plainfield to test mags, 100 rounds per gun. The FA ran 100% on the FA mag that came with with, 2 10 round tests and 2 15 round tests. I then tried 2 of my KCI mags, labeled 1 and 2 for testing. KCI 1 ran 1 10 round and 1 15 round test fine. KCI 2 ran the 10 round fine but did a FTE on round 15. I've had KCI mags do that before other Carbines so that doesn't surprise me. The Howachester the same on the FA and KCI 1. The later though I only ran 10 rounds through 3 times. KCI 2 failed the 10 round test 2 times between 5-10 rounds. I was 1/2 expecting that since that mag has had problems in the Howachester before. The Plainfield on the other hand didn't like the FA mag, which my "log" shows (I'm annul, I keep track of mags on Carbines). 2 10 round tests it failed between 5-10 AGAIN!. On the other hand it loves KCI 1, every 10 round test I ran with that it ate it up. Go figure, if I ain't mentioned if I EVER find a M-1 Carbine mag that works on EVERY M-1 Carbine I own I'll stop playing the Lottery...because I'll have used all my luck on that View Quote So to me there are limiting possibilities to your problem; the spring, the follower, and/or the shape of the lips of the magazine. I think I'd disassemble the FA magazine and compare its shape and components to the others. Also, don't forget to save your brass!! |
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Quoted: Also, don't forget to save your brass!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Ok, I took 3 Carbines to the range today, the FA, my Howachester and the Plainfield to test mags, 100 rounds per gun. The FA ran 100% on the FA mag that came with with, 2 10 round tests and 2 15 round tests. I then tried 2 of my KCI mags, labeled 1 and 2 for testing. KCI 1 ran 1 10 round and 1 15 round test fine. KCI 2 ran the 10 round fine but did a FTE on round 15. I've had KCI mags do that before other Carbines so that doesn't surprise me. The Howachester the same on the FA and KCI 1. The later though I only ran 10 rounds through 3 times. KCI 2 failed the 10 round test 2 times between 5-10 rounds. I was 1/2 expecting that since that mag has had problems in the Howachester before. The Plainfield on the other hand didn't like the FA mag, which my "log" shows (I'm annul, I keep track of mags on Carbines). 2 10 round tests it failed between 5-10 AGAIN!. On the other hand it loves KCI 1, every 10 round test I ran with that it ate it up. Go figure, if I ain't mentioned if I EVER find a M-1 Carbine mag that works on EVERY M-1 Carbine I own I'll stop playing the Lottery...because I'll have used all my luck on that Also, don't forget to save your brass!! Opps I'm going to look at the mags. Next trip I'll take 3-4 of my best USGI's and see what happens. I've been shooting the FA and KCI mags mainly this year since I started shooting Carbines more because of the ammo crunch (the Howachester shows 2200 rounds on it this year since I got it rebuilt by Fulton )....poor things might be worn out |
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Quoted: I’ve got these stocked up for my Fulton when it arrives: https://i.postimg.cc/mknTv1Qd/8-D9-F44-A8-021-F-4-B11-B914-953595526063.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/5NH4wpVD/6-C1-EA75-B-C3-EF-40-D3-876-F-2-EB5886472-C4.jpg Twenty new old stock wartime USGI mags that were packed in cosmoline. Scored a KILLER deal on them a while back. Took a LONG time to clean ‘em all up (lots of mineral spirits) but they were literally in factory new shape under that stuff. I’ve tested three and they functioned perfectly in my new Underwood carbine but that gun has a screwed up firing pin hole and trigger issues, but the gun feeds like a top over the 300 rounds I’ve fired. Also have 5,200 rounds of surplus ball ammo ready too! View Quote Damn, that's a nice bunch of mags. I've love to find some USGI's like that. Most of mine I've had for ages. That's why I've been using the KCI's as range mags, to keep the good USGI's I have.....just in case What's the issue with the trigger on the Underwood? At least those you don't need a special tool to break down one. I've decided next time I order parts from FA I'm getting the bolt assembly tool I figure it'll come in handy with the number of Carbines I have, that way I can break the bolt down once a year for a good cleaning |
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Quoted: Damn, that's a nice bunch of mags. I've love to find some USGI's like that. Most of mine I've had for ages. That's why I've been using the KCI's as range mags, to keep the good USGI's I have.....just in case What's the issue with the trigger on the Underwood? At least those you don't need a special tool to break down one. I've decided next time I order parts from FA I'm getting the bolt assembly tool I figure it'll come in handy with the number of Carbines I have, that way I can break the bolt down once a year for a good cleaning View Quote You’re probably confusing Underwood with Universal. Underwood (my carbine) is one of the WW2 USGI contractors so yep I’ve got that nifty tool LOL. The trigger group is giving hammer follows and some other issues. Probably a worn sear or hammer, or sear spring. The bolts firing pin hole is really eroded on mine for whatever reason and it’s messing up the primers so the bolt is going to need replacement with a Fulton one. |
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Quoted: You’re probably confusing Underwood with Universal. Underwood (my carbine) is one of the WW2 USGI contractors so yep I’ve got that nifty tool LOL. The trigger group is giving hammer follows and some other issues. Probably a worn sear or hammer, or sear spring. The bolts firing pin hole is really eroded on mine for whatever reason and it’s messing up the primers so the bolt is going to need replacement with a Fulton one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Damn, that's a nice bunch of mags. I've love to find some USGI's like that. Most of mine I've had for ages. That's why I've been using the KCI's as range mags, to keep the good USGI's I have.....just in case What's the issue with the trigger on the Underwood? At least those you don't need a special tool to break down one. I've decided next time I order parts from FA I'm getting the bolt assembly tool I figure it'll come in handy with the number of Carbines I have, that way I can break the bolt down once a year for a good cleaning You’re probably confusing Underwood with Universal. Underwood (my carbine) is one of the WW2 USGI contractors so yep I’ve got that nifty tool LOL. The trigger group is giving hammer follows and some other issues. Probably a worn sear or hammer, or sear spring. The bolts firing pin hole is really eroded on mine for whatever reason and it’s messing up the primers so the bolt is going to need replacement with a Fulton one. I remembered you had a Underwood.....I would never insult a nice USGI Carbine by calling it a Universal My Howachester and one of my USGI Inlands needed work on the triggers also, I can relate. Hammer on 1, sear and spring on the other IIRR. I'm betting the bolt firing pin hole a previous owner didn't clean it right or used cheap ammo. There was some cheap surplus on the market in the 90's |
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