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Posted: 5/26/2023 11:07:48 AM EDT
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Hard to argue with the Griffin gen 2 Explorr 224. I've got several 5.56 cans, this is my go-to now. It stomps my Turbo K in a big way. I'd go taper configuration if it were me, but lots of people are super hung up on HUB compatibility (massively overrated, IMHO). They offer both versions.
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Posted: 5/26/2023 11:20:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: I’m not chasing db’s or lowest back pressure, just reduced sound signature and muzzle flash. I was leaning towards an RC2 cause it’s a tank, it’s proven, nobody really has much bad to say about it other than it’s not the quietest can put there, and back pressure isn’t terrible, and does well on short barrels. I’m also really found of the flash suppression on the 3/4 prong FH’s when shooting unsuppressed. you seem to have figured it out. i would recommend the rc2 for you. its a very balanced can. the rc3 wont likely be announced till later this year/shot 2023; you will be more than happy with a rc2. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 11:36:14 AM EDT
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I think you’re probably on the right track with the Surefire RC2. I have a Sierra 5 in jail right now, and given some of the issues that seem to keep popping up with that can, I’m kind of wishing I’d gone with the RC2 instead. Maybe I’ll pick up an RC3 in the future when those are released. And hopefully my Sierra 5 was made after Dead Air implemented their new QC/QA process so I don’t have anything to worry about.
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Posted: 5/26/2023 12:25:13 PM EDT
[#4]
The RC2 is an extremely well rounded 5.56 suppressor and would serve you well. If this is going to be your one and only, I'd wait on the soon to be announced RC3.
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Posted: 5/26/2023 12:47:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: you seem to have figured it out. i would recommend the rc2 for you. its a very balanced can. the rc3 wont likely be announced till later this year/shot 2023; you will be more than happy with a rc2. Quoted: The RC2 is an extremely well rounded 5.56 suppressor and would serve you well. If this is going to be your one and only, I'd wait on the soon to be announced RC3. I’m so far out the loop, I didn’t know there was an RC3 coming soon. And there’s the rub with NFA, I’d love to get the wait started sooner rather than later but I’d hate to buy the RC2 if the RC3 is worth waiting for. If only it wasn’t a 9 month wait. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 1:35:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to argue with the Griffin gen 2 Explorr 224. I've got several 5.56 cans, this is my go-to now. It stomps my Turbo K in a big way. I'd go taper configuration if it were me, but lots of people are super hung up on HUB compatibility (massively overrated, IMHO). They offer both versions. There is no way I would ever want a 17oz, 6.5" long RC2. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 4:30:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hard to argue with the Griffin gen 2 Explorr 224. I've got several 5.56 cans, this is my go-to now. It stomps my Turbo K in a big way. I'd go taper configuration if it were me, but lots of people are super hung up on HUB compatibility (massively overrated, IMHO). They offer both versions. Quoted: I could only have one 5.56 can, that would be mine too. It's a good compromise in weight, durability and size. There is no way I would ever want a 17oz, 6.5" long RC2. I'll get on board with this. Last July it was a toss up between the Explorr and a Sierra 5, I went Sierra 5. I will add an Explorr at some point and don't think it's a choice you would regret. I also agree hub is overrated. For anyone serious about the NFA game, muzzle devices are moot. If you've got the coin to play the game you got the coin for muzzle devices. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 4:34:59 PM EDT
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Why no T2 or the new T3 Turbo???
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Posted: 5/26/2023 4:46:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I also agree hub is overrated. For anyone serious about the NFA game, muzzle devices are moot. If you've got the coin to play the game you got the coin for muzzle devices. Griffin's Plan A Taper Mount isn't bad, I just like Xeno better and since I have the freedom to choose, I choose to exercise that freedom. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 4:56:38 PM EDT
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If the weight of the rc2 doesn’t bother you, just get the SCI-Six. It is quite tankish, and way way quieter. RC2 does have a more robust mounting system though.
For what it’s worth, I love my Flow 556k, Dual-Lok 5, and Sierra 5. I’d recommend any of those for this purpose. I’m a big fan of the RC2 as well (I have two of them), but unless you value flash suppression over all other considerations, the newer cans have it beat, in my opinion. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 5:00:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only reason I went with HUB is because I like the DA Xeno mount better than the other mounts on the market. HUB gives me the freedom to choose the mount I want and the suppressor I want. I don't like being forced into a certain company's mount. Griffin's Plan A Taper Mount isn't bad, I just like Xeno better and since I have the freedom to choose, I choose to exercise that freedom. Fair point. I like Xeno as well, I run it on a Nomad on 3 different hosts. I should have phrased my response differently though. At this point I don't think being locked into one type of mount i.e. Griffin's taper would sway me from not buying one. Especially if it were my only can, but as we know, one can isn't typical. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 5:13:02 PM EDT
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My griffin eu2 explorr punches wayyyyyy above its weight class.
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Posted: 5/26/2023 5:13:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to argue with the Griffin gen 2 Explorr 224. I've got several 5.56 cans, this is my go-to now. It stomps my Turbo K in a big way. I'd go taper configuration if it were me, but lots of people are super hung up on HUB compatibility (massively overrated, IMHO). They offer both versions. Twins |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 5:30:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hard to argue with the Griffin gen 2 Explorr 224. I've got several 5.56 cans, this is my go-to now. It stomps my Turbo K in a big way. I'd go taper configuration if it were me, but lots of people are super hung up on HUB compatibility (massively overrated, IMHO). They offer both versions. What about the Explorr stomps your Turbo K? Quoted: I could only have one 5.56 can, that would be mine too. It's a good compromise in weight, durability and size. There is no way I would ever want a 17oz, 6.5" long RC2. I can understand this from a weight perspective. Durability wise, I assume there’s no concern from the all stainless construction of the Explorr vs stainless and inconel in the RC2? Quoted: I'll get on board with this. Last July it was a toss up between the Explorr and a Sierra 5, I went Sierra 5. I will add an Explorr at some point and don't think it's a choice you would regret. I also agree hub is overrated. For anyone serious about the NFA game, muzzle devices are moot. If you've got the coin to play the game you got the coin for muzzle devices. I can agree with the second point for sure. I’m definitely not concerned with the costs of mounts. NFA is not a cheap game to play. However, as far as mounts are concerned, I just want to make sure I get something that stays tight after hundreds of round and doesn’t accidentally send my can down range like an inert barrel launched grenade. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 5:37:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: If the weight of the rc2 doesn’t bother you, just get the SCI-Six. It is quite tankish, and way way quieter. RC2 does have a more robust mounting system though. For what it’s worth, I love my Flow 556k, Dual-Lok 5, and Sierra 5. I’d recommend any of those for this purpose. I’m a big fan of the RC2 as well (I have two of them), but unless you value flash suppression over all other considerations, the newer cans have it beat, in my opinion. Weight isn’t really a concern. Only reason I really leaned to an RC2 is the last big range day I had with friends, a buddy brought out his Mk18 with an RC2 and it wasn’t really that heavy or unpleasant to hold and shoot for longer periods of time. And it didn’t seem to get carbon locked like I always hear about taper mount cans doing. Quoted: Fair point. I like Xeno as well, I run it on a Nomad on 3 different hosts. I should have phrased my response differently though. At this point I don't think being locked into one type of mount i.e. Griffin's taper would sway me from not buying one. Especially if it were my only can, but as we know, one can isn't typical. This was kinda another reason I was leaning towards the RC2, it almost removes the analysis paralysis of deciding on a mounting system. Xeno, Keymo, and any of the other proprietary/brand specific mounts. I mean I know the RC2 is a proprietary mount, but I’ve always liked the effectiveness of the flash suppression of the 3 and 4 prong when shooting unsuppressed, plus the RC2 has the military track record that shows it can handle a beating. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 6:19:58 PM EDT
[#16]
I like my Rugged razor 5.56, with the fh end cap. On a 11.5 bcm. Runs reliably, not gassy, pretty quiet to me, definitely impressed especially for the price.
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Posted: 5/26/2023 6:51:39 PM EDT
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I agree on the SCI-SIX also being a top option with your criteria. According to PEW Science, it trades a little muzzle performance for a little at-ear performance and also looks to have excellent flash suppression (I only have video to judge but it's impressive there).
I understand you aren't too concerned about weight but I wonder if that would change if you use it much on the 16" unsupported. I have a feeling you'll want to shoot only suppressed once you start. I've got non-performance-related hangups with Griffin, but the Explorr, M4SD series, and HRT are definitely worth investigating for flash suppression. The Explorr in particular looks like a great all-around suppressor when weight is factored in. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 7:33:09 PM EDT
[#18]
Another vote for the explorr 224. Picked mine up
Wednesday. It’s just as quiet as my Recce 5, but about 5 oz lighter. Mine is the taper mount version |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 7:48:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can understand this from a weight perspective. Durability wise, I assume there's no concern from the all stainless construction of the Explorr vs stainless and inconel in the RC2? Quote HistoryQuoted: I can understand this from a weight perspective. Durability wise, I assume there's no concern from the all stainless construction of the Explorr vs stainless and inconel in the RC2? Practically, the Explorr suppressors are very durable. This is because they have a lot of surface area, and the somewhat more thin material heats faster, and cools faster. The video darkened the shot of the 240, but about 15% of the EX3 body was glowing in daylight at the end of the 100rd belt. It stopped glowing in maybe 1.5 seconds. 308 heats faster and is higher pressure than 5.56, with about twice the powder charge for heating, so it is more tough on a suppressor/ has a lower sprint threshold of at least 50% lower. The can was totally undamaged with no visible baffle wear. These cans are probably less good for this type of 9+ second, unrealistic sprint to temperature, but in practical sustained fire, they may have higher sustained rates of fire due to the more rapid cooling. As a former 9 year infantryman I think these cans would be closer to perfect for real world infantry carbine/rifle combat use. They are also more advanced than most sniper weapon system suppressors issued today, some of which are 1.5 lbs heavier. Thats another category they would be great for. That tripod shot was 475 yds on an ipsc steel, cold bore, 5mph .4 mil wind with a factory tikka T3x. First shot of the day. I pulled data from jbl balistics based on eye guesses of optic height above bore and guesstimated 6.5 hornady 140 grain velocity, and had zeroed that marketing gun at a not ideal 23 yds indoor. I was not very stable, the shot broke center moving through the target in wobble and connected. In sniper school we were trained to constrain tripod shots to around 220 meters as a more realistic standard. The Recce 5 is more of a lightweight hybrid of the old school contract style suppressor where the disconnected leadership desk guy is writing a contract requiring some imaginary human wave attack defense style, punishing test to happen many times to the product with forced air cooling in the middle of the cycles. Those standards decrease the practicality of the suppressors for 99.99% of the use they will see. That class, adds unnecessary weight to over-burdened soldiers, but the Recce 5 is at the extreme lower edge of that class at 14.5 ounces with products up to 22 ounces represented and chosen. Don't forget the RC2 was designed for use with machine guns. Do you have a machine gun? Heavier suppressors may stand up to severe sustained fire, but most people will never shoot that much. A lighter suppressor may only take a 4 or 5 full magazine mag-dump firing schedule as fast as you can pull the trigger, but A) They cool down faster, (so they will cool substantially while you reload your mags, or while you are running to the next shooting position in competition) and B) Who actually does this, and why? As Green0 has said (and is a retired combat soldier), actual US infantry riflemen don't even shoot that much constant sustained fire in combat. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 7:57:14 PM EDT
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Just because you have a machine gun doesn’t mean you have to be stupid with it. Plenty of dialed in machine gunners go to great lengths to reduce cyclic rate to a sweet spot or learn trigger control for controlled pairs. A few short bursts on target are more effective than a long string with only a 20% hit rate. Mirage off the can becomes an issue. Even in a desperate mad-minute suppressive fire scenario running out of ammo at the wrong moment is a trade off. That said, having a get-stupid brick shithouse can is a warm feeling.
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Posted: 5/26/2023 8:08:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just because you have a machine gun doesn't mean you have to be stupid with it. Plenty of dialed in machine gunners go to great lengths to reduce cyclic rate to a sweet spot or learn trigger control for controlled pairs. A few short bursts on target are more effective than a long string with only a 20% hit rate. Mirage off the can becomes an issue. Even in a desperate mad-minute suppressive fire scenario running out of ammo at the wrong moment is a trade off. That said, having a get-stupid brick shithouse can is a warm feeling. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 8:29:02 PM EDT
[#22]
My taper mount Gen 2 Explorr 224 finally got approved after 10 months, but waiting to get it until the Capitol Armory process plays out. Bought is as a replacement for my Turbo K, which I find too gassy. Also, GA has a better warranty coverage than YHM, IMHO.
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Posted: 5/26/2023 9:36:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about the Explorr stomps your Turbo K? I can understand this from a weight perspective. Durability wise, I assume there’s no concern from the all stainless construction of the Explorr vs stainless and inconel in the RC2? I can agree with the second point for sure. I’m definitely not concerned with the costs of mounts. NFA is not a cheap game to play. However, as far as mounts are concerned, I just want to make sure I get something that stays tight after hundreds of round and doesn’t accidentally send my can down range like an inert barrel launched grenade. 1. Sound: Explorr is noticably quieter. 2. Flash: Holy shit, stomping is a pretty kind way of putting it. I shoot daytime and UNDER NV, the difference is comical. 3. Gassiness: Minimal if any gas to face; guns eject to much more normal geometry on untuned hosts vs. TK. 4. Doesn't have to be HUB (subjective) Weight is sameish, length is close, warranty is similar but I think YHM said won't free warranty if using third party mount (whole point of HUB, sooooo...). The sound and flash are the biggest drivers for me. That is coming from someone who likes the TK, I've just found something objectively better for my uses. Good luck with your decision. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 10:21:50 PM EDT
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I think y’all might’ve sold me on the Explorr. Between the weight and lack of any reported durability issues, plus the Explorr and stamp is cheaper than just the RC2 itself, probably gonna get the Explorr. I’ll save the RC2 for if I ever get more into the clone game.
The only other question I have is how effective is the Griffin flash hider compared to a 3 or 4 prong or even an A2? |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 10:26:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think y’all might’ve sold me on the Explorr. Between the weight and lack of any reported durability issues, plus the Explorr and stamp is cheaper than just the RC2 itself, probably gonna get the Explorr. I’ll save the RC2 for if I ever get more into the clone game. The only other question I have is how effective is the Griffin flash hider compared to a 3 or 4 prong or even an A2? I can't answer that question, just wanted to note that there are two models, one with Griffin's taper mount and one with a universal hub ("utility") mount to have more options. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 10:50:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't answer that question, just wanted to note that there are two models, one with Griffin's taper mount and one with a universal hub ("utility") mount to have more options. I noticed that but I’d probably just stick with the taper mount. People seem to like the taper mounts. And 2 Griffin taper mounts costs the same as 1 Surefire 3 prong. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 11:21:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think y’all might’ve sold me on the Explorr. Between the weight and lack of any reported durability issues, plus the Explorr and stamp is cheaper than just the RC2 itself, probably gonna get the Explorr. I’ll save the RC2 for if I ever get more into the clone game. The only other question I have is how effective is the Griffin flash hider compared to a 3 or 4 prong or even an A2? I use xeno on mine. I got the hub version. |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 9:27:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only other question I have is how effective is the Griffin flash hider compared to a 3 or 4 prong or even an A2? Regardless of which version you get, the suppressor comes with a brake, but there are a myriad of different taper mount muzzle designs in a whole bunch of different threads on Griffin's website (Link here select your thread pattern on the left). There are a few three prongs and even combo compensator and flash hiders like the Flash Comp. Also check out Midway USA for their selection of Griffin parts. I've found you can get some things cheaper there, especially with coupon codes. Just keep in mind that a flash hider will be harder on your blast baffle, especially the open three and 4 prong type. If you are going to shoot a rifle exclusively suppressed, use a brake. |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 1:31:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would be a good question for @Green0 Regardless of which version you get, the suppressor comes with a brake, but there are a myriad of different taper mount muzzle designs in a whole bunch of different threads on Griffin's website (Link here select your thread pattern on the left). There are a few three prongs and even combo compensator and flash hiders like the Flash Comp. Also check out Midway USA for their selection of Griffin parts. I've found you can get some things cheaper there, especially with coupon codes. Just keep in mind that a flash hider will be harder on your blast baffle, especially the open three and 4 prong type. If you are going to shoot a rifle exclusively suppressed, use a brake. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only other question I have is how effective is the Griffin flash hider compared to a 3 or 4 prong or even an A2? Regardless of which version you get, the suppressor comes with a brake, but there are a myriad of different taper mount muzzle designs in a whole bunch of different threads on Griffin's website (Link here select your thread pattern on the left). There are a few three prongs and even combo compensator and flash hiders like the Flash Comp. Also check out Midway USA for their selection of Griffin parts. I've found you can get some things cheaper there, especially with coupon codes. Just keep in mind that a flash hider will be harder on your blast baffle, especially the open three and 4 prong type. If you are going to shoot a rifle exclusively suppressed, use a brake. Or just direct thread. |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 2:39:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think y’all might’ve sold me on the Explorr. Between the weight and lack of any reported durability issues, plus the Explorr and stamp is cheaper than just the RC2 itself, probably gonna get the Explorr. I’ll save the RC2 for if I ever get more into the clone game. The only other question I have is how effective is the Griffin flash hider compared to a 3 or 4 prong or even an A2? We flash tested the Surefire 3P vs our 2.25 stealth on a 14.5" barrel recently internally using long aperture photography, and the stealth outperformed the Surefire slightly. Our flash suppressor also outperformed the 3P in this independently performed TTAG test: TTAG FLASH HIDER TEST 2 The Surefire and our unit are manufactured of similar material Surefire claims 15-5PH, which is essentially vacuum arc remelted 17-4 - an aircraft grade near equivalent to 17-4. 2% lower chromium content 1% higher nickel content. ~97% of the material composition is common to both alloys- close enough that I don't think there is a functional difference between the two materials in this application. A lot of our competitors make devices from more affordable, more free machining carbon steel which is very compromised by comparison for a mount inside a sound suppressor. The same company that PVD finishes the Surefire units, PVD finishes our devices now. The A2 throws 20" long 10" diameter fireballs on a 10.3" MK18. A 2.25" stealth will stomp the flash out similar to the performance of the best flash suppressors that exist. Our closed tine flash suppressor will outperform an A2 significantly on short barrels. I tested it down to 11.5" and it was producing a couple dull red opaque points about 4" diameter. With the new gen 4 Flash comp, we also have an extremely low flash, extremely low felt concussion compensator in the lineup. These are coming to the Dual Lok lineup soon. These are 2 baffle devices that protect baffles closer to a brake while combining performance attributes of a flash suppressor and compensator. 
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Posted: 5/27/2023 4:56:25 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: That would be a good question for @Green0 Regardless of which version you get, the suppressor comes with a brake, but there are a myriad of different taper mount muzzle designs in a whole bunch of different threads on Griffin's website (Link here select your thread pattern on the left). There are a few three prongs and even combo compensator and flash hiders like the Flash Comp. Also check out Midway USA for their selection of Griffin parts. I've found you can get some things cheaper there, especially with coupon codes. Just keep in mind that a flash hider will be harder on your blast baffle, especially the open three and 4 prong type. If you are going to shoot a rifle exclusively suppressed, use a brake. Yeah, after some more reading, I was figuring on the taper mount EZ brake for the 11.5 since that’ll end up suppressed any time it’s shot. I think I’ll still end up with a FH for the 16” (or 14.5” if I decide to rebarrel it) Quoted: We flash tested the Surefire 3P vs our 2.25 stealth on a 14.5" barrel recently internally using long aperture photography, and the stealth outperformed the Surefire slightly. Our flash suppressor also outperformed the 3P in this independently performed TTAG test: TTAG FLASH HIDER TEST 2 The Surefire and our unit are manufactured of similar material Surefire claims 15-5PH, which is essentially vacuum arc remelted 17-4 - an aircraft grade near equivalent to 17-4. 2% lower chromium content 1% higher nickel content. ~97% of the material composition is common to both alloys- close enough that I don't think there is a functional difference between the two materials in this application. A lot of our competitors make devices from more affordable, more free machining carbon steel which is very compromised by comparison for a mount inside a sound suppressor. The same company that PVD finishes the Surefire units, PVD finishes our devices now. The A2 throws 20" long 10" diameter fireballs on a 10.3" MK18. A 2.25" stealth will stomp the flash out similar to the performance of the best flash suppressors that exist. Our closed tine flash suppressor will outperform an A2 significantly on short barrels. I tested it down to 11.5" and it was producing a couple dull red opaque points about 4" diameter. With the new gen 4 Flash comp, we also have an extremely low flash, extremely low felt concussion compensator in the lineup. These are coming to the Dual Lok lineup soon. These are 2 baffle devices that protect baffles closer to a brake while combining performance attributes of a flash suppressor and compensator. https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-lbyqmcyjkm/images/stencil/800x800/products/119/3504/IMG_9904-2__78630.1682961420.jpg?c=2 Thank you for that explanation and the link. The pictures definitely showed me exactly what I was looking for. Definitely won’t have any concerns with flash from the Griffin FH. |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 4:58:20 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to argue with the Griffin gen 2 Explorr 224. I've got several 5.56 cans, this is my go-to now. It stomps my Turbo K in a big way. I'd go taper configuration if it were me, but lots of people are super hung up on HUB compatibility (massively overrated, IMHO). They offer both versions. Mine is sitting in jail, 40 miles away, waiting for the man's approval. I went taper also. |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 5:50:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We flash tested the Surefire 3P vs our 2.25 stealth on a 14.5" barrel recently internally using long aperture photography, and the stealth outperformed the Surefire slightly. Our flash suppressor also outperformed the 3P in this independently performed TTAG test: TTAG FLASH HIDER TEST 2 The Surefire and our unit are manufactured of similar material Surefire claims 15-5PH, which is essentially vacuum arc remelted 17-4 - an aircraft grade near equivalent to 17-4. 2% lower chromium content 1% higher nickel content. ~97% of the material composition is common to both alloys- close enough that I don't think there is a functional difference between the two materials in this application. A lot of our competitors make devices from more affordable, more free machining carbon steel which is very compromised by comparison for a mount inside a sound suppressor. The same company that PVD finishes the Surefire units, PVD finishes our devices now. The A2 throws 20" long 10" diameter fireballs on a 10.3" MK18. A 2.25" stealth will stomp the flash out similar to the performance of the best flash suppressors that exist. Our closed tine flash suppressor will outperform an A2 significantly on short barrels. I tested it down to 11.5" and it was producing a couple dull red opaque points about 4" diameter. With the new gen 4 Flash comp, we also have an extremely low flash, extremely low felt concussion compensator in the lineup. These are coming to the Dual Lok lineup soon. These are 2 baffle devices that protect baffles closer to a brake while combining performance attributes of a flash suppressor and compensator. https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-lbyqmcyjkm/images/stencil/800x800/products/119/3504/IMG_9904-2__78630.1682961420.jpg?c=2 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think y’all might’ve sold me on the Explorr. Between the weight and lack of any reported durability issues, plus the Explorr and stamp is cheaper than just the RC2 itself, probably gonna get the Explorr. I’ll save the RC2 for if I ever get more into the clone game. The only other question I have is how effective is the Griffin flash hider compared to a 3 or 4 prong or even an A2? We flash tested the Surefire 3P vs our 2.25 stealth on a 14.5" barrel recently internally using long aperture photography, and the stealth outperformed the Surefire slightly. Our flash suppressor also outperformed the 3P in this independently performed TTAG test: TTAG FLASH HIDER TEST 2 The Surefire and our unit are manufactured of similar material Surefire claims 15-5PH, which is essentially vacuum arc remelted 17-4 - an aircraft grade near equivalent to 17-4. 2% lower chromium content 1% higher nickel content. ~97% of the material composition is common to both alloys- close enough that I don't think there is a functional difference between the two materials in this application. A lot of our competitors make devices from more affordable, more free machining carbon steel which is very compromised by comparison for a mount inside a sound suppressor. The same company that PVD finishes the Surefire units, PVD finishes our devices now. The A2 throws 20" long 10" diameter fireballs on a 10.3" MK18. A 2.25" stealth will stomp the flash out similar to the performance of the best flash suppressors that exist. Our closed tine flash suppressor will outperform an A2 significantly on short barrels. I tested it down to 11.5" and it was producing a couple dull red opaque points about 4" diameter. With the new gen 4 Flash comp, we also have an extremely low flash, extremely low felt concussion compensator in the lineup. These are coming to the Dual Lok lineup soon. These are 2 baffle devices that protect baffles closer to a brake while combining performance attributes of a flash suppressor and compensator. https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-lbyqmcyjkm/images/stencil/800x800/products/119/3504/IMG_9904-2__78630.1682961420.jpg?c=2 I think I need one of these duallok flashcomps for my DL5 in jail! Thanks for the the heads up |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 10:00:05 PM EDT
[#34]
I put another 400 rounds through the explorr today. I love this can
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Posted: 5/28/2023 10:22:30 PM EDT
[#35]
So last question. Obviously there were a lot of recommendations for the Explorr, and in more reading an comparison, it was said it was similar to the Recce 5. For those that have used both, other than the lighter weight, do y’all feel there’s any reason to spend the extra cash on the Explorr ($716), especially when the Recce 5 has a $100 manufacturer rebate ($626)?
I’m still definitely leaning Explorr, just doing some last minute narrowing down. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 10:56:57 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So last question. Obviously there were a lot of recommendations for the Explorr, and in more reading an comparison, it was said it was similar to the Recce 5. For those that have used both, other than the lighter weight, do y’all feel there’s any reason to spend the extra cash on the Explorr ($716), especially when the Recce 5 has a $100 manufacturer rebate ($626)? I’m still definitely leaning Explorr, just doing some last minute narrowing down. I wanted hub and reduced weight. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 10:14:32 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So last question. Obviously there were a lot of recommendations for the Explorr, and in more reading an comparison, it was said it was similar to the Recce 5. For those that have used both, other than the lighter weight, do y’all feel there’s any reason to spend the extra cash on the Explorr ($716), especially when the Recce 5 has a $100 manufacturer rebate ($626)? I’m still definitely leaning Explorr, just doing some last minute narrowing down. I own both Recce 5 mod 4 and gen 2 Explorr 224. Both are excellent, but, of the two, the Explorr is what I'd buy again unless it was strictly for a semi-auto bench gun. The fact that I like the looks of the Explorr better is icing on top, bit played no part in my preference. In the NFA game, rebates and deals are great but you should just buy what you want (or think you want at that time). |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 11:03:14 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wanted hub and reduced weight. I also bought an Explorr 300, but have no plans for a Recce 7. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 12:41:14 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought both the Recce 5 and the Explorr 224. These are the same reasons for my purchase. The weight difference is very significant (especially out at the end of a barrel) and I like the Xeno mount better than the Griffin mount. I expect that I will not discern any difference in sound, but only recently got them out of jail and hadn't had a chance to get both to the range. Please give us a range report when you do. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 2:17:01 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to argue with the Griffin gen 2 Explorr 224. I've got several 5.56 cans, this is my go-to now. It stomps my Turbo K in a big way. I'd go taper configuration if it were me, but lots of people are super hung up on HUB compatibility (massively overrated, IMHO). They offer both versions. Same. love mine. lightweight is where its at. 9.5oz taper mount version. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 9:04:46 PM EDT
[#41]
Alright I think I’ve heard enough. Explorr it is.
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Posted: 5/29/2023 10:20:04 PM EDT
[#42]
Quoted: Any suggestions besides an RC2? Thanks I an speaking from personal experience. Get a magnum/full auto rated 7.62mm can. It will last forever on a 5.56. I would strongly suggest you get two 7.62 cans, two .45 pistol cans, and two rimfire cans all at the same time. You can get the wait done all at once, more or less, and you’ll have what you need for the rest of your life. I have an AAC SDN 7.62, a Sparrow, and I am awaiting my other cans right now, at the 16 month mark. |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 9:03:59 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I an speaking from personal experience. Get a magnum/full auto rated 7.62mm can. It will last forever on a 5.56. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 1:15:43 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Alright I think I’ve heard enough. Explorr it is. For now I only have one can. I went with a recce 5 mod 4. It's a great can. Yes, a bit hefty, but solid. If I were to do it over again I'd absolutely get the explorr. Not because I don't like my recce (I absolutely do). Just because the weight savings are well worth it. Not concerned about weight? Save some money and get the recce. Hell, use the saved money to put towards a rimfire can. On something short (mine mostly lives on an 11.5) the balance with the recce is still pretty damn good. It gets more noticeable if I stick it on one of my 14.5s and even more so on a 16. 11.5 though? Pretty damn decent. |
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