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12/11/2018 1:58:31 AM
Posted: 10/11/2018 3:48:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2018 9:50:29 AM EST by AZ2A]
First Impressions: N-Vision PVS-14 Monocular (Unfilmed White Phosphor L-3 IIT, zone 3 blemish) $3,295.00

Late last week I narrowed my search down to a couple options in regards to the purchase of my "forever" PVS-14. A solid PVS-14 that I would keep for years and get plenty of use out of with training, hiking, etc.

I decided on the blem L3 unfilmed white phosphor offering from N-VISION due to a few factors:

-Price: Their price for a zone 3 blem genuine L3 unfilmed WP PVS-14 is only $3,295.00. I was looking at thin filmed green tubes for just a few hundred less so this just seemed like an excellent deal.
-10 year warranty. Yes this is pretty standard with the top guys in the NV world, but I'm still impressed nonetheless.
-The minimum Signal to Noise spec on these is 30.
-The ability to hand select my specific tube, compare it to other available options, and get it shipped out THE NEXT DAY after placing the order(see below).

https://nvisionoptics.com/product/pvs-14-monocular-unfilmed-l-3-iit-zone-3-blemish/

When I initially reached out to their sales department, they immediately sent over three tube examples with specifications and allowed me to pick and choose which one suited me the best. After giving it some thought and some last minute consideration for other manufacturers, I placed my order this Tuesday 10/9:

Order Place: Tuesday PM 10/9
Built and Shipped: Wednesday 10/10

The specs on the tube are as follows:

33.9 SNR
0.8 EBI
0.7 Halo
64 lp/mm

At this point I was thoroughly impressed with N-VISION and their customer service. At the point of ordering, I requested overnight shipping because, to put it simply, I was loosing my mind with excitement and couldn't wait!

Fast forward less than 48 hours after ordering and it arrives to my door in Arizona. So like any grown man, I immediately opened the box and rushed to the nearest dark closet like a kid on Christmas morning.

Here is what I saw:

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As you can see, this tube is extremely clear with no shadowing, very low scintillation (photos taken in extreme low light ie my closet at work), and is simply crystal clear.

The zone 3 blem is a non issue due to it's location being on the very outside edge of the tube.

To say I'm happy with my purchase is a huge understatement. Scott and Matt at N-VISION went above and beyond to help me out and ship my unit out as quickly as they could.

If anyone else is in a similar situation and has any questions, feel free to post them below or message me privately.

Thank you

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Link Posted: 10/11/2018 3:53:34 PM EST
Very nice, looks like a decent deal.
Link Posted: 10/11/2018 3:59:14 PM EST
What did you use to take those pictures? They are a hell of a lot clearer than mine.

I like the N-Vision blem I bought except for the shadowing mine has. Its got great specs but the shadowing makes me miss my old tube that on paper seemed worse but it looked better.
Link Posted: 10/11/2018 4:01:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RaptorFuel:
What did you use to take those pictures? They are a hell of a lot clearer than mine.

I like the N-Vision blem I bought except for the shadowing mine has. Its got great specs but the shadowing makes me miss my old tube that on paper seemed worse but it looked better.
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Thank you, I'm using my Samsung Galaxy Note 8. Great camera ONLY when there is good lighting haha
Link Posted: 10/11/2018 7:01:03 PM EST
I know everyone loves TNVC, but competition is a beautiful thing for consumers. I’m sure they’ve lurked this post. Saving $700-800 for a minor blem is a steal, IMHO.

Great tube!
Link Posted: 10/11/2018 7:21:12 PM EST
On the way to the shoot spot now. I’ll message you when we are done and see if we can hook up!

Gonna be a WP on WP showdown!
Link Posted: 10/11/2018 8:22:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2018 8:23:17 PM EST by TX-Zen]
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Originally Posted By dogesco93:
I know everyone loves TNVC, but competition is a beautiful thing for consumers. I'm sure they've lurked this post. Saving $700-800 for a minor blem is a steal, IMHO.

Great tube!
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I love me some TNVC too but I would have bought one of these immediately if I hadn't already ordered WP from TNVC just a week before I saw this deal. I was tempted to cancel one of the tubes but didn't because they've done such a hell of a good job on all my purchases

Call me a giddy consumer but getting badass NV in 2 days is like the ultimate version of instant gratification

Congrats OP, really happy for you
Link Posted: 10/11/2018 9:13:34 PM EST
Thanks everyone! Really appreciate it.

@nvjunkie let me know!

Guys.... This 14 is awesome! I've had more OMNI VII & VIII green tubes than I can remember and this is just incredible! More random photos before I actually can put this thing to some good use

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Link Posted: 10/11/2018 10:46:40 PM EST
That is awesome. Your pics turned out really well for a camera phone too.
Link Posted: 10/12/2018 12:21:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2018 12:23:39 AM EST by terry1]
The two clearest tubes I’ve owned both had a larger blemish zone 3. The more I used them the more I appreciated just how special they really were. Other than the blem they were crystal clear image wise.
Link Posted: 10/12/2018 10:49:01 AM EST
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Originally Posted By terry1:
The two clearest tubes I’ve owned both had a larger blemish zone 3. The more I used them the more I appreciated just how special they really were. Other than the blem they were crystal clear image wise.
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Originally Posted By terry1:
The two clearest tubes I’ve owned both had a larger blemish zone 3. The more I used them the more I appreciated just how special they really were. Other than the blem they were crystal clear image wise.
Originally Posted By sbye:
That is awesome. Your pics turned out really well for a camera phone too.
Thank you! I'm very impressed with this tube so far. For it being a 64 lp/mm unit, the clarity seems incredible vs my other 64 lp/mm thin filmed green tubes!
Link Posted: 10/12/2018 9:20:15 PM EST
I think you might have just cost me 3 grand. I can't imagine that blem is even that noticeable when it's on your face and you're looking "out" at stuff.

I'd be quite happy with that image quality. I'd mostly be walking around the woods at night and maybe taking an occasional shot at a beaver in the pond.
Link Posted: 10/13/2018 12:41:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2018 12:45:15 AM EST by AZ2A]
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Originally Posted By rdblan2:
I think you might have just cost me 3 grand. I can't imagine that blem is even that noticeable when it's on your face and you're looking "out" at stuff.

I'd be quite happy with that image quality. I'd mostly be walking around the woods at night and maybe taking an occasional shot at a beaver in the pond.
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Do it! You won't regret it. Just got back from my first full night of use with the new 14 and I couldn't be happier

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Ignore the smudge on the last one, it was just the camera
Link Posted: 10/13/2018 5:25:21 AM EST
Really nice looking tube. Those L3’s have got the “secret sauce”. In general people (including me) can’t tell the difference in most specs. But all these tubes seem to look great.

Great buy, great tube....congratulations.
Link Posted: 10/13/2018 1:11:16 PM EST
So we met up last night. It was DARK out. As in, no way it’s ever getting any darker unless you’re in a Forrest under thick canopy.

First off, I didn’t even notice his blem. After a while I remembered he had one and then had to search for it.

But what you’ve all been waiting for. My similar spec echo vs his l3. First my friend who came with me. He swears he noticed no difference in clarity or brightness.

I think his eyes are on crack since I noticed the L3 tube was brighter. Not a ton brighter but brighter. Now it all comes down to what you want to spend? $2500 or $3200? Or $5000 vs $6400 for duals.

It also comes down to your eyes.

I’m happy with my echos. They are perfect for everything I’ll do with them. But maybe down the road, when funds permit, I’ll upgrade to L3’s.
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 1:38:02 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 7:32:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/24/2018 7:32:41 PM EST by DefenderAO]
Not bad OP. Glad you like it. Thermal comes next
Link Posted: 10/24/2018 9:00:53 PM EST
I'm all over one of these in the next week or two I think. Dammit OP! First NV unit for me.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 12:45:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/31/2018 9:23:49 AM EST by TaylorWSO]
got mine today

POS wont turn on. Makes a weird static/humming noise. Tried multiple batteries.

Called CS and the girl asked if I had the batteries in there correctly

I though they would have QC'd these

@N-VisionOpticsAlpha



ETA

the guy that sold it to me called me back to get a RMA out to me, now I have to drive 30 miles to get to a fed ex place

ETA 2 see update below- they fixed it really quick
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 2:09:44 PM EST
For photography purposes, your tube seems exquisite. It's so clear!

No one has ever been able to explain to me why my super-high-spec L3 tube has such a pronounced pattern across the image. It is INCREDIBLY DISTRACTING when trying to stargaze or take photos.

Link Posted: 10/25/2018 2:27:15 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 3:10:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 35Remington:
For photography purposes, your tube seems exquisite. It's so clear!

No one has ever been able to explain to me why my super-high-spec L3 tube has such a pronounced pattern across the image. It is INCREDIBLY DISTRACTING when trying to stargaze or take photos.

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I’ve read over and over that honeycomb is normal under certain circumstances.

Mine will replicate it under very high lighting. As in two feet away from a white wall and I put on an illuminator. Or a similar situation.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:09:11 PM EST
Fixed pattern noise. It’s completely normal dude.
Link Posted: 10/26/2018 12:09:35 PM EST
I just ordered one. Will be the first NV I've ever looked through.

@AZ2A

This is all your fault!
Link Posted: 10/26/2018 12:40:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By OutlanderSystems:
Fixed pattern noise. It’s completely normal dude.
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Understand that it's "normal." Just don't see it in other guys' pics online. Makes me a little jelly! Maybe in person it's all the same, or maybe in person FPN is one of the tradeoffs of having 2600+ FOM. Idk.
Link Posted: 10/26/2018 3:58:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 35Remington:

Understand that it's "normal." Just don't see it in other guys' pics online. Makes me a little jelly! Maybe in person it's all the same, or maybe in person FPN is one of the tradeoffs of having 2600+ FOM. Idk.
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Not really a trade off when you have a distracting honeycomb pattern in almost any light condition. Sometimes the term “normal” is used a little to loosely...
Link Posted: 10/26/2018 5:33:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By rdblan2:
I just ordered one. Will be the first NV I've ever looked through.

@AZ2A

This is all your fault!
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Congrats!!! That's so exciting, you're definitely getting some top notch gear for your first NV
Link Posted: 10/27/2018 9:06:57 AM EST
I just received mine yesterday. They are amazing. Went out hiking the hill last night it was like being super human.

My blem is not even noticeable when in use. I also see honeycomb patterns while in the house or if I turn the gain all the way up but if you keep them at a useful level it’s a non issue. It’s not like you are going to be staring at a white wall in the dark in your basement. Even though it seems like some arfcomers don’t leave their basement.
Link Posted: 10/27/2018 10:10:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2018 10:10:18 AM EST by OutlanderSystems]
This.

It’s like complaining that when you focus on the dot of your RDS it gets blurry.

PROTIP: Don’t focus on the dot.

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Originally Posted By Bmftoolco:
I just received mine yesterday. They are amazing. Went out hiking the hill last night it was like being super human.

My blem is not even noticeable when in use. I also see honeycomb patterns while in the house or if I turn the gain all the way up but if you keep them at a useful level it’s a non issue. It’s not like you are going to be staring at a white wall in the dark in your basement. Even though it seems like some arfcomers don’t leave their basement.
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Link Posted: 10/27/2018 10:44:52 AM EST
Thanks for the pro tip. Haha. I have no complaints at all these things are amazing. I was specifically looking for flaws in my basement closet and that’s what I saw. In actual use I didn’t notice a thing.
Link Posted: 10/27/2018 11:16:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AZ2A:
Thanks everyone! Really appreciate it.

@nvjunkie let me know!

Guys.... This 14 is awesome! I've had more OMNI VII & VIII green tubes than I can remember and this is just incredible! More random photos before I actually can put this thing to some good use

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GORGEOUSITY!

(Is that even a word?)
Link Posted: 10/27/2018 12:55:42 PM EST
Solid. That’s why the chicken wire is ultimately a non-issue. If you’re seeing it, the ambient lighting is most likely brighter than what you should be looking at with the tube. TLDR; dual down the gain.

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Originally Posted By Bmftoolco:
Thanks for the pro tip. Haha. I have no complaints at all these things are amazing. I was specifically looking for flaws in my basement closet and that’s what I saw. In actual use I didn’t notice a thing.
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Link Posted: 10/29/2018 12:09:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
got mine today

POS wont turn on. Makes a weird static/humming noise. Tried multiple batteries.

Called CS and the girl asked if I had the batteries in there correctly

I though they would have QC'd these

@N-VisionOpticsAlpha



ETA

the guy that sold it to me called me back to get a RMA out to me, now I have to drive 30 miles to get to a fed ex place
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Got it back today.

They hooked me up with a 3x for the asspain. Works just fine.

Afa the pvs. WOW.

It is so clear. The blem is so far to the side you have to look for it.

I flew with nogs in the mil for 20 years and they are shit compared to this.

I will post a new thread with pics when I take the out tonight
Link Posted: 10/29/2018 12:16:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:

Got it back today.

They hooked me up with a 3x for the asspain. Works just fine.

Afa the pvs. WOW.

It is so clear. The blem is so far to the side you have to look for it.

I flew with nogs in the mil for 20 years and they are shit compared to this.

I will post a new thread with pics when I take the out tonight
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That is great to hear! I knew they would take care of you. Congrats
Link Posted: 10/30/2018 10:32:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:

Got it back today.

They hooked me up with a 3x for the asspain. Works just fine.

Afa the pvs. WOW.

It is so clear. The blem is so far to the side you have to look for it.

I flew with nogs in the mil for 20 years and they are shit compared to this.

I will post a new thread with pics when I take the out tonight
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What model did you buy? Can you provide a link?
Link Posted: 10/31/2018 9:19:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By vugger:

What model did you buy? Can you provide a link?
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PVS 14 blem
nvision blem

call them up they will send you the specs and you could choose your model. They usually dont have a ton of them, because they are blems they get them in when they get them in.
Link Posted: 10/31/2018 8:15:49 PM EST
I just played with an unfilmed white phosphor unit today. I think it was a pinnacle tube. Either way, I know I'm definitely going to get some. They were so much better than I used as a grunt in 2006. Merry xmas to me. To all the experts reading, I'm going to start a thread next week for some questions i'm sure to have after doing some research.
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