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Posted: 5/13/2023 1:19:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup very small stateside, I didn’t know this either till I was trying get a hole of them for an order question a few months back. Great people, but small staffed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow, I didn't know it was that small. I'll keep trying next week. Yup very small stateside, I didn’t know this either till I was trying get a hole of them for an order question a few months back. Great people, but small staffed. True. Look how many cars are in the parking lot. eta: I count 13 cars = 13 people working there when the google car drove by last month. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 6:31:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here is my 1.5 year old rifle (22USA serial range): https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/23705/6E0ADA1A-9FFE-46FC-BB81-4B8F5F9E51F2_jpe-2805905.JPG And here is the newer one (29USA serial range) with the corners drilled. Looking at how unevenly the corners were done, I am betting it was done by hand with a dremel tool: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/23705/FF3B2DDB-10D3-4CC1-BD93-40563EB427EA_jpe-2805911.JPG Well, that’s not a perfectly even job, the drilled corners are preferred. The reason being, the square corners, kind of like the one at the top left that has a chip missing, Create a stress riser. The stress risers are generally wear a crack propagates from. Almost never happens at around the corner. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:02:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, that’s not a perfectly even job, the drilled corners are preferred. The reason being, the square corners, kind of like the one at the top left that has a chip missing, Create a stress riser. The stress risers are generally wear a crack propagates from. Almost never happens at around the corner. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here is my 1.5 year old rifle (22USA serial range): https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/23705/6E0ADA1A-9FFE-46FC-BB81-4B8F5F9E51F2_jpe-2805905.JPG And here is the newer one (29USA serial range) with the corners drilled. Looking at how unevenly the corners were done, I am betting it was done by hand with a dremel tool: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/23705/FF3B2DDB-10D3-4CC1-BD93-40563EB427EA_jpe-2805911.JPG Well, that’s not a perfectly even job, the drilled corners are preferred. The reason being, the square corners, kind of like the one at the top left that has a chip missing, Create a stress riser. The stress risers are generally wear a crack propagates from. Almost never happens at around the corner. Is there any preference for drilling vs filling a corner? |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:48:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there any preference for drilling vs filling a corner? A rounded corner creates no stress riser unlike a sharp, squared one. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:07:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A rounded corner creates no stress riser unlike a sharp, squared one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is there any preference for drilling vs filling a corner? A rounded corner creates no stress riser unlike a sharp, squared one. Yes I'm asking is it better to round the corner with a drillbit or a file? |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 7:09:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes I'm asking is it better to round the corner with a drillbit or a file? Drill produces more heat and more room for error but quicker. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 5:03:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes I'm asking is it better to round the corner with a drillbit or a file? It’s very hard to do any precision work in an opening for the drill bit. A precision file is the only way to go |
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Posted: 5/17/2023 12:06:09 AM EDT
[#8]
It's looking like the only stocks affected are OD green, made between 2019 and 2022, right? No reports of the black stocks cracking?
Just found out about this issue, little curious if the green polymer is the common denominator of the cracked stocks. |
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Posted: 5/17/2023 7:18:58 AM EDT
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It’s been all colors.
Green seems to be the most prevalent, that being said I have seen pics of the mud, white, and at least one black one. The trouble with the black is it’s so hard to see, there is no contrast to see the crack up against. |
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Posted: 5/18/2023 2:16:11 PM EDT
[#10]
 Attached FileMy stock got there Monday and they shipped me this as a replacement the next day. I think it's weird the mold date on this is 5/20, two years before the cracked one I sent them. I had to pay $20 to ship my stock to them but I got a hat with my new stock in return so....cool I guess.  Better take this this out and shoot it to test it out. 
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Posted: 5/18/2023 9:23:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/60275/Screenshot_20230518_131309_Gallery_jpg-2820701.JPG My stock got there Monday and they shipped me this as a replacement the next day. I think it's weird the mold date on this is 5/20, two years before the cracked one I sent them. I had to pay $20 to ship my stock to them but I got a hat with my new stock in return so....cool I guess. Better take this this out and shoot it to test it out. Thanks for the update. Corners look good and drilled it seems like. |
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Posted: 6/18/2023 2:56:49 PM EDT
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Is it just newer AUG's that have this problem?
I have a M1 that I bought in 2015 or 2016. |
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Posted: 6/18/2023 3:20:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it just newer AUG's that have this problem? I have a M1 that I bought in 2015 or 2016. Ive only heard of problems with 2020 and later. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:28:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You will have to send in the whole gun. Each stock is hand fit to the aug. There is aom general being able to swap them around, but for the best fit and finish you will want to send it to Steyr. is that a new thing, my old A1 AUG can swap stocks all day long and I have never seen one "hand fitted" |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 11:30:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A rounded corner creates no stress riser unlike a sharp, squared one. This is a production QC or material failure (or someone failed to mold them correctly). The whole "corner rounding" thing is just somebody trying to slap a band aid over the real problem. I've got old AUGs and old stocks. They all have perfectly fitting rectangular corners. They're totally fine. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 2:44:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: is that a new thing, my old A1 AUG can swap stocks all day long and I have never seen one "hand fitted" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You will have to send in the whole gun. Each stock is hand fit to the aug. There is aom general being able to swap them around, but for the best fit and finish you will want to send it to Steyr. is that a new thing, my old A1 AUG can swap stocks all day long and I have never seen one "hand fitted" |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 3:19:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like Op/Kalahnikid just sent his stock and they sent a replacement which makes far more sense than having to send the whole firearm for a stock replacement Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You will have to send in the whole gun. Each stock is hand fit to the aug. There is aom general being able to swap them around, but for the best fit and finish you will want to send it to Steyr. is that a new thing, my old A1 AUG can swap stocks all day long and I have never seen one "hand fitted" You bet. Fits fine. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 3:44:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While completely true, that's not the issue here. This is a production QC or material failure (or someone failed to mold them correctly). The whole "corner rounding" thing is just somebody trying to slap a band aid over the real problem. I've got old AUGs and old stocks. They all have perfectly fitting rectangular corners. They're totally fine. Exactly. Steyr has been making AUG stocks with the squared corners for 40+ years and all of a sudden they start cracking from 2020+? Something changed, either the material or the shape of the notch |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:41:49 PM EDT
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Bought my AUG in
It's the A3 M1 Green Standard Rifle. Mine came from the factory with the rounded corners of the takedown block area.  Attached File Attached FileAdded picture of date code...  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 10:09:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bought my AUG in It's the A3 M1 Green Standard Rifle. Mine came from the factory with the rounded corners of the takedown block area. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/249712/20230623_201926_jpg-2861791.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/249712/20230623_201954_jpg-2861792.JPG What's the date code on your stock? |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 12:30:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While completely true, that's not the issue here. This is a production QC or material failure (or someone failed to mold them correctly). The whole "corner rounding" thing is just somebody trying to slap a band aid over the real problem. I've got old AUGs and old stocks. They all have perfectly fitting rectangular corners. They're totally fine. Honestly, I'd want to avoid the rounded corners. If there's a material defect which will induce a failure, I want to get it out of the way ASAP. The rounding just seems to me like a way to add a little extra time to a ticking bomb. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 12:36:46 AM EDT
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I can't remember, were 2020 stocks cracking?
I remember during the big Texas freeze of 2021 hearing about rosin damage, any chance this was caused by that? |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 9:42:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the date code on your stock? Where would one find that? |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 9:48:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where would one find that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's the date code on your stock? Where would one find that? Take the trigger pack out and it should be on the inside in that area |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 10:04:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Take the trigger pack out and it should be on the inside in that area Gotcha...  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 11:50:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMy AUG that I bought February last year has a stock date code on 11/2020. I does not have the rounded edges on the take down area like yours. I was expecting that your replacement is from a current production. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 1:12:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My AUG that I bought February last year has a stock date code on 11/2020. I does not have the rounded edges on the take down area like yours. I was expecting that your replacement is from a current production. My rifle was bought and shipped straight from a distributor to me. I do not know however, if the factory pulled rifles back from distributors for modifications? |
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Posted: 7/17/2023 2:55:18 PM EDT
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Mine is a green stock made 4/18 and has no holes drilled in it but the hole seemed to be profiled all the way around. I have less than 100 rounds through it (I know) but it appears fine for now.
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Posted: 7/17/2023 10:00:02 PM EDT
[#29]
I have a mud stock made 6/20 with radiused corners. No cracks yet.
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Posted: 7/24/2023 1:26:21 AM EDT
[#30]
Well this is disconcerting. I have an OD green gun i've barely had a chance to shoot yet. Pulled it out and do NOT have the rounded edges. So I guess I need to do some filing?
Kinda lame. One of the reasons I spent the cash on an AUG was because they've been around ages and shouldn't still be having this kind of issue. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 7:27:55 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well this is disconcerting. I have an OD green gun i've barely had a chance to shoot yet. Pulled it out and do NOT have the rounded edges. So I guess I need to do some filing? Kinda lame. One of the reasons I spent the cash on an AUG was because they've been around ages and shouldn't still be having this kind of issue. What year is the stock? |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 1:03:08 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What year is the stock? 2020. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 1:22:41 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 2020. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What year is the stock? 2020. Probably best to keep an eye on it 
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Posted: 7/24/2023 11:30:50 PM EDT
[#34]
Nobody's tavor ever broke in half. Just saying.
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Posted: 7/25/2023 3:09:15 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody's tavor ever broke in half. Just saying. Nobody’s tavor ever held their value on resale either…
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Posted: 7/28/2023 5:53:35 PM EDT
[#36]
Well I finally got around to using a needle file on my older AUG to give it the radiused corners like the newer one has. My hand filing looks a bit better than Steyr’s, took maybe 5 minutes once I got the takedown out of the way.
Interestingly, my older rifle stock had a mold date about 5 months newer than my “new” rifle’s (which is about a year newer, higher serial number range). So clearly there is no first in/first out on stocks, as we have seen all kinds of mold dates on them coming from Steyr. And while I agree 100% that this is a material issue, since they have been able to get away with squared corners for decades with no problems, there is still no good reason to make a squared corner in the design to begin with. It certainly was no secret when the rifle was designed in the 70’s that square corners in metal and plastic are a bad idea if any kind of force might be applied to the item. Why such a well designed rifle does not have rounded off corners is beyond me. This shit is covered in basic engineering and design classes. A bit of design prevention, and they could have used inferior polymer the entire production time frame without issue- or preferably- used the better polymer, and had a stock you could buttstroke somebody with without it cracking. (Not sure how easy that is with a bullpup to be honest!) Anyhow- hopefully I don’t have any future problems, now that the bandaid fix is done, but clearly these newer stocks are not as good as the old ones. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 12:32:46 PM EDT
[#37]
None of this would be that big a deal if you could obtain a replacement stock without having to go through sending things off to steyr and the wait involved. I'd just pick up a spare stock in case. I don't really get why they don't sell bare stocks.
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Posted: 7/29/2023 2:25:08 PM EDT
[#38]
Keep an eye on Steyrs site, stocks go up for sale every 6 months or so.
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Posted: 7/29/2023 3:32:59 PM EDT
[#39]
Part of me wonders if they are taking the stocks they take on trade and sending them to a new customer in exchange after they round the corners?
I have wanted a green stock AUG and am ready to order one but am leery to wait a bit longer to make sure all of the old polymer is out of the system first. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 10:45:30 AM EDT
[#40]
My black AUG (SN-11USA01X) stock doesn't appear to have a date code. It also has an FN chrome lined barrel and I wouldn't expect it to crack but would like to know when it may have been made?
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Posted: 7/31/2023 3:49:01 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: None of this would be that big a deal if you could obtain a replacement stock without having to go through sending things off to steyr and the wait involved. I'd just pick up a spare stock in case. I don't really get why they don't sell bare stocks. They do have spare stock listed on the webstore, but are out of stock. It could be for this very issue is why they are not listing them- they may not be able to identify why they are breaking, so they don't want to ship any out at this time. Or it could be all the stocks are being used to build guns right now and they simply don't have any spares to list. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 9:33:56 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Part of me wonders if they are taking the stocks they take on trade and sending them to a new customer in exchange after they round the corners? I have wanted a green stock AUG and am ready to order one but am leery to wait a bit longer to make sure all of the old polymer is out of the system first. Why would they be taking in used stocks on trades? I think they are only replacing them if they crack, so none of the returned stocks are any good. Guessing some poor bastard at Steyr has to do all the corner reliefs by hand or with a dremel. If and when we see new batches of stocks coming out, and Steyr also says they have fixed the polymer issues, then will be the time to purchase a spare stock for Just In Case…. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 9:36:22 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My black AUG (SN-11USA01X) stock doesn't appear to have a date code. It also has an FN chrome lined barrel and I wouldn't expect it to crack but would like to know when it may have been made? https://c.l3n.co/i/QHtBWM.png https://a.l3n.co/i/QHtsva.png Probably in the clear since your serial number is a lot older. Mine are low 20 series serials codes- not sure if that relates to the year, or just batches. Either way this is a recent issue, so if it is more than a couple years old you are likely fine. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 10:25:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I finally got around to using a needle file on my older AUG to give it the radiused corners like the newer one has. My hand filing looks a bit better than Steyr’s, took maybe 5 minutes once I got the takedown out of the way. Interestingly, my older rifle stock had a mold date about 5 months newer than my “new” rifle’s (which is about a year newer, higher serial number range). So clearly there is no first in/first out on stocks, as we have seen all kinds of mold dates on them coming from Steyr. And while I agree 100% that this is a material issue, since they have been able to get away with squared corners for decades with no problems, there is still no good reason to make a squared corner in the design to begin with. It certainly was no secret when the rifle was designed in the 70’s that square corners in metal and plastic are a bad idea if any kind of force might be applied to the item. Why such a well designed rifle does not have rounded off corners is beyond me. This shit is covered in basic engineering and design classes. A bit of design prevention, and they could have used inferior polymer the entire production time frame without issue- or preferably- used the better polymer, and had a stock you could buttstroke somebody with without it cracking. (Not sure how easy that is with a bullpup to be honest!) Anyhow- hopefully I don’t have any future problems, now that the bandaid fix is done, but clearly these newer stocks are not as good as the old ones. I think I am going to do the same. It looks easy enough to round the four corners and I already have the tools to do it. Is there any risk of this voiding warranty? |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 10:20:19 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I am going to do the same. It looks easy enough to round the four corners and I already have the tools to do it. Is there any risk of this voiding warranty? |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 10:33:53 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How would they know you did it and they didn't? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think I am going to do the same. It looks easy enough to round the four corners and I already have the tools to do it. Is there any risk of this voiding warranty? Because he did a better job? 
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Posted: 8/15/2023 11:36:47 PM EDT
[#47]
Is the radius cut just on the outside/inside of the square, or are they radiused all the through the whole stock?
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Posted: 8/16/2023 11:26:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is the radius cut just on the outside/inside of the square, or are they radiused all the through the whole stock? It appears from the pictures shown in this thread, that both sides of the stock should be done evenly at all four corners of the take-down cutout. A needle file, such as can be procured from your local big box do-it-yourself store, is all one needs. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 2:26:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/13/2023 1:41:01 PM EDT
[#50]
Are the stocks on current production AUG rifles still coming from Austria or are they US made?
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