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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:08:13 PM EDT
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In for answers.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:27:57 PM EDT
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In for answers. I would think wet tumbling would work fine. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 4:42:37 PM EDT
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Redacted. I read el Camino. But my brain said Erector.
Wet tumble is what You seek. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 4:55:50 PM EDT
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Dip and Aluminum don’t jive. The depth of the baffles stood out as a concern for me as well, as tumbling is my main go to for cleaning. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 6:14:09 PM EDT
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I've got one coming hopefully before October.
I'm probably trying to defend my delicate psyche and purchase, but I really don't think it will be an issue. Throwing my Oculus baffles into a water/purple power mix in a ultrasonic cleans them up just fine, why would the El Camino be any different? Place them end up so all the crap falls out? |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 8:53:57 PM EDT
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I have had one since it came out. I either clean it in ultrasonic (most of time), or pin tumbler if there is buildup. Buildup generally only occurs if I miss normal cleaning cycles, so I try to give it a quick clean after each outing.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 9:00:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The baffles are SS on the El Camino. The depth of the baffles stood out as a concern for me as well, as tumbling is my main go to for cleaning. Wet tumble is what You seek. |
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Posted: 8/18/2018 5:25:18 PM EDT
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I really love mine and dedicated it to my Tacsol X-Ring.
Pros: -Quiet (all 22 cans generally are) -Fix threaded adapter so the tube does not come off first when taking it off your firearm -Half inch non-proprietary tool for disassembly! -SS baffles = easy to clean -Really well made and I only can tell the threaded end is not titanium with a magnet; no weld marks at all -Lightweight for a non-aluminum can -After 500+ rounds, the baffles drop right out -Full auto and 5.7 rated so is not going to wear out anytime soon shooting .22lr -No firsthand experience, but have read Q has great customer support -PVD finish Minor cons: -Does not come with a decent case (not a deal breaker at all, but still a con) -Purple PVD finish looks odd on everything other than my Tacsol GMG colored rifles Cleaning is super easy. I toss the baffles in one of these with water and purple Simple Green for 20-45 minutes, rinse them off and maybe spend 5 minutes with a Q-Tip/scraper getting anything left. I shoot my 22 cans wet with silicone brake fluid, Ballistol or CLP which IMO makes cleaning a lot easier. Also spray some CLP or Ballistol into them at the range and that tends to help loosen the gunk up before cleaning. |
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Posted: 8/18/2018 8:05:15 PM EDT
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I really love mine and dedicated it to my Tacsol X-Ring. Pros: -Quiet (all 22 cans generally are) -Fix threaded adapter so the tube does not come off first when taking it off your firearm -Half inch non-proprietary tool for disassembly! -SS baffles = easy to clean -Really well made and I only can tell the threaded end is not titanium with a magnet; no weld marks at all -Lightweight for a non-aluminum can -After 500+ rounds, the baffles drop right out -Full auto and 5.7 rated so is not going to wear out anytime soon shooting .22lr -No firsthand experience, but have read Q has great customer support -PVD finish Minor cons: -Does not come with a decent case (not a deal breaker at all, but still a con) -Purple PVD finish looks odd on everything other than my Tacsol GMG colored rifles Cleaning is super easy. I toss the baffles in one of these with water and purple Simple Green for 20-45 minutes, rinse them off and maybe spend 5 minutes with a Q-Tip/scraper getting anything left. I shoot my 22 cans wet with silicone brake fluid, Ballistol or CLP which IMO makes cleaning a lot easier. Also spray some CLP or Ballistol into them at the range and that tends to help loosen the gunk up before cleaning. |
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Posted: 8/18/2018 8:54:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Helpful review. But Purple PVD? It looks black in all the photos. |
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Posted: 8/18/2018 8:58:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMine is not black either, does have the purplish tint.
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Posted: 8/19/2018 10:27:23 AM EDT
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Thanks as well for the info.
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I really love mine and dedicated it to my Tacsol X-Ring. Pros: -Quiet (all 22 cans generally are) -Fix threaded adapter so the tube does not come off first when taking it off your firearm -Half inch non-proprietary tool for disassembly! -SS baffles = easy to clean -Really well made and I only can tell the threaded end is not titanium with a magnet; no weld marks at all -Lightweight for a non-aluminum can -After 500+ rounds, the baffles drop right out -Full auto and 5.7 rated so is not going to wear out anytime soon shooting .22lr -No firsthand experience, but have read Q has great customer support -PVD finish Minor cons: -Does not come with a decent case (not a deal breaker at all, but still a con) -Purple PVD finish looks odd on everything other than my Tacsol GMG colored rifles Cleaning is super easy. I toss the baffles in one of these with water and purple Simple Green for 20-45 minutes, rinse them off and maybe spend 5 minutes with a Q-Tip/scraper getting anything left. I shoot my 22 cans wet with silicone brake fluid, Ballistol or CLP which IMO makes cleaning a lot easier. Also spray some CLP or Ballistol into them at the range and that tends to help loosen the gunk up before cleaning. |
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Posted: 8/19/2018 11:39:08 AM EDT
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Can anyone compare it to the Sig SRD22X?
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Posted: 8/19/2018 1:41:54 PM EDT
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It's currently my favorite rimfire can. The weight is fantastic and you don't feel it on the end of the host. No compromise on materials as it's still heavy duty stainless construction. No rear mount to come loose and the front is tightened with a socket/wrench. It lives up to Q's reputation as a simple design but very well executed.
My Mask is probably a hair quieter (definitely FRP) but that comes at a serious (IMO) weight penalty and the non-captive rear mount can be annoying. I'd recommend the El Camino in a heartbeat. |
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Posted: 8/19/2018 9:00:05 PM EDT
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I have an El Camino. I picked it up about a month ago and I've since fired maybe a couple hundred rounds through it with a Ruger MKIV 22/45 Lite.
It suffers from a bit of FRP but settles in nicely. It's very easy to disassemble and reassemble, and it's very light. The El Camino looks a little odd compared to most other rimfire cans, but looks are subjective. I really like it, it's a nice suppressor. |
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Posted: 8/20/2018 3:11:15 AM EDT
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Other than looking like a tube Mario would jump down I love my el Camino. The baffles actually do seal very well and come out of the tube easily. If I were to manually clean the baffles it would be a bear, but I just let them soak in clr and most of the big stuff comes right off.
Still unclear how Q got it so light, you barely notice it on a pistol. Have noticed slight frp, but nothing horrible. Sound for sound a mask is slightly quieter first shot, but at the expense of weight as another member pointed out. I actually love the purple tinted pvd coat too. Never been impressed with cerakote. |
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Posted: 8/20/2018 7:35:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cleaning is super easy. I toss the baffles in one of these with water and purple Simple Green for 20-45 minutes, rinse them off and maybe spend 5 minutes with a Q-Tip/scraper getting anything left. I shoot my 22 cans wet with silicone brake fluid, Ballistol or CLP which IMO makes cleaning a lot easier. Also spray some CLP or Ballistol into them at the range and that tends to help loosen the gunk up before cleaning. |
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Posted: 8/21/2018 5:57:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you noticed if shooting it wet with the CLP quiets down the first round pop? Edit: I cannot tell if the Axiom or El Camino is quieter on a rifle, but the Axiom sounds quieter to me on pistols. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 9:30:20 PM EDT
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I have had one since it came out. I either clean it in ultrasonic (most of time), or pin tumbler if there is buildup. Buildup generally only occurs if I miss normal cleaning cycles, so I try to give it a quick clean after each outing. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 10:04:09 PM EDT
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It's long as shit, purple, and looks like a PVC pipe. I don't understand the draw.
Mask HD or Spectre II for me. |
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Posted: 10/21/2018 12:10:19 AM EDT
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It's long as shit, purple, and looks like a PVC pipe. I don't understand the draw. Mask HD or Spectre II for me. 
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Posted: 10/21/2018 4:31:04 AM EDT
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It's long as shit, purple, and looks like a PVC pipe. I don't understand the draw. Mask HD or Spectre II for me. |
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Posted: 10/22/2018 5:24:55 PM EDT
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You do realize the El Camino and Spectre are the same length right? I’ll give you that it looks a little different but it has full stainless guts and weighs under 5oz. I’d call it “light as shit” compared to some of the hogs on the market today. |
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Posted: 10/22/2018 5:54:14 PM EDT
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Speaking of long, Q had a long, looooong time after the release of the Spectre to find a way to get it done in a smaller package. Nope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You do realize the El Camino and Spectre are the same length right? I’ll give you that it looks a little different but it has full stainless guts and weighs under 5oz. I’d call it “light as shit” compared to some of the hogs on the market today. |
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Posted: 10/22/2018 5:54:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking of long, Q had a long, looooong time after the release of the Spectre to find a way to get it done in a smaller package. Nope. 
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Posted: 10/24/2018 2:28:58 PM EDT
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Can anyone compare it to the Sig SRD22X? |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 2:49:56 PM EDT
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Can't find the baffles -
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Posted: 10/24/2018 4:00:52 PM EDT
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It's basically the same thing. I think both were designed by the same people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can anyone compare it to the Sig SRD22X? ETA. Baffles look identical. El Camino 
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Posted: 10/24/2018 10:44:22 PM EDT
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Yes, both designed by Kevin B. He did Sig’s while he was with them and the started Q and made a similar design. I have the SRD22X and love it. It’s a hair shorter than the El Camino and almost 1oz heavier. They both use a titanium tube and SS baffles. I haven’t used an el Camino but from what I’ve seen, baffles look similar. I would guess they perform very similarly too. Love mine, sounds like a nail gun on my M&P 15-22. ETA. Baffles look identical. El Camino https://modernrifleman.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/DSC_2940.jpg SRD22X https://modernrifleman.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/DSC_3211.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can anyone compare it to the Sig SRD22X? ETA. Baffles look identical. El Camino https://modernrifleman.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/DSC_2940.jpg SRD22X https://modernrifleman.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/DSC_3211.jpg |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 11:05:24 PM EDT
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I think both were designed by the same people. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 8:25:19 AM EDT
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How do they compare sound wise? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can anyone compare it to the Sig SRD22X? ETA. Baffles look identical. El Camino https://modernrifleman.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/DSC_2940.jpg SRD22X https://modernrifleman.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/DSC_3211.jpg |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 9:05:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do not think so, 22X came out after El Camino was released. Speed to market is crucial. I've had multiple products that I've worked on, knocked off by Chinese manufacturers and being sold well before ours made it to market. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 10:28:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do not think so, 22X came out after El Camino was released. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 11:15:55 AM EDT
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Could just be that Sig was slower to bring it to market, they are a bigger corporate structure, meaning more people involved. I'm very curious of the relationship between Q and Sig, since neither party seems to have an issue with near identical designs. Speed to market is crucial. I've had multiple products that I've worked on, knocked off by Chinese manufacturers and being sold well before ours made it to market. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Could just be that Sig was slower to bring it to market, they are a bigger corporate structure, meaning more people involved. I'm very curious of the relationship between Q and Sig, since neither party seems to have an issue with near identical designs. Speed to market is crucial. I've had multiple products that I've worked on, knocked off by Chinese manufacturers and being sold well before ours made it to market. Quoted:
Slow to market. It’s the same people. If EL made both, Sig marketing/engineering is seriously phucked up. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 11:43:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The relationship between Q & Sig is q was formed from 2 Sig employees, Kevin and Ethan. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 11:45:26 AM EDT
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I said I don’t know, I haven’t used an El Camino. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can anyone compare it to the Sig SRD22X? ETA. Baffles look identical. El Camino https://modernrifleman.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/DSC_2940.jpg SRD22X https://modernrifleman.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/DSC_3211.jpg 
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Posted: 10/26/2018 3:36:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, both designed by Kevin B. He did Sig’s while he was with them and the started Q and made a similar design. I have the SRD22X and love it. It’s a hair shorter than the El Camino and almost 1oz heavier. They both use a titanium tube and SS baffles. I haven’t used an el Camino but from what I’ve seen, baffles look similar. I would guess they perform very similarly too. Love mine, sounds like a nail gun on my M&P 15-22. ETA. Baffles look identical. NFA Review Channel did a video on the SIG SRD22X and it had baffles that looked pressed instead of machined. Take a look at ~4 min in: Link |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 5:32:16 PM EDT
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Kevin doesn't design silencers. He's just a product manager that also does marketing. He makes product/company decisions and gives the company a direction and gives input on some visual aspects. NFA Review Channel did a video on the SIG SRD22X and it had baffles that looked pressed instead of machined. Take a look at ~4 min in: Link Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yes, both designed by Kevin B. He did Sig’s while he was with them and the started Q and made a similar design. I have the SRD22X and love it. It’s a hair shorter than the El Camino and almost 1oz heavier. They both use a titanium tube and SS baffles. I haven’t used an el Camino but from what I’ve seen, baffles look similar. I would guess they perform very similarly too. Love mine, sounds like a nail gun on my M&P 15-22. ETA. Baffles look identical. NFA Review Channel did a video on the SIG SRD22X and it had baffles that looked pressed instead of machined. Take a look at ~4 min in: Link Also, the baffles in that video must be from a preproduction sample. They have double clips, not heat treated it appears and rounded corners. My baffles look just like the el Camino. |
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Posted: 10/26/2018 6:41:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kevin doesn't design silencers. He's just a product manager that also does marketing. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 5:58:08 PM EDT
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First trip with mine today. Given it's the new toy and I have total sample size of 2 rimfire cans,
, I like it.
I might give it a slight edge in sound compared to the Oculus, but it isn't much, just a little different tone. It is long and being so slender makes it appear longer, but the weight, wow. It weighs the same as the Oculus in it's short version. I'm happy, it's fun as hell having two shooters banging away on steel.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:09:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Kevin doesn't design silencers. He's just a product manager that also does marketing. He makes product/company decisions and gives the company a direction and gives input on some visual aspects. NFA Review Channel did a video on the SIG SRD22X and it had baffles that looked pressed instead of machined. Take a look at ~4 min in: Link Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yes, both designed by Kevin B. He did Sig’s while he was with them and the started Q and made a similar design. I have the SRD22X and love it. It’s a hair shorter than the El Camino and almost 1oz heavier. They both use a titanium tube and SS baffles. I haven’t used an el Camino but from what I’ve seen, baffles look similar. I would guess they perform very similarly too. Love mine, sounds like a nail gun on my M&P 15-22. ETA. Baffles look identical. NFA Review Channel did a video on the SIG SRD22X and it had baffles that looked pressed instead of machined. Take a look at ~4 min in: Link |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:17:21 PM EDT
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He said flat out on Instagram that he designed AAC’s .338 can, is that embellishing? From his LinkedIn: Developed a premium line of ultra-reliable 300 AAC Blackout and 5.56mm rifles that were purchased by the most elite special forces groups in the US Military. Other accomplishments include AAC Cyclops, 300-SD, 338-SD, TiTAN, TiTAN-QD, rebar cutter, Blackout flash suppressor, muzzle brakes, and blank firing adapter. Project lead at AAC for 300 AAC Blackout – the popular SAAMI cartridge that has won the support of more than 160 companies. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 7:54:09 PM EDT
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I think it's just semantics.
Right or wrong, the word design is often used interchangeably with develop. For the few products I was in charge of at GT I was a development guy. I can't draw for shit. An engineer draws. But I did the market research, product comparisons, had final approval on which of the multiple designs we were going to go with, helped test, assisted in finding vendors, suggested design elements and coatings, set pricing, and essentially drove the development to have a sellable product. Some people might call that designing a product. Others might call it developing one. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 8:39:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought most of the Monocores were done by Silvers. The exception being the 9mm Enigma, which was done by Sam Fischer and not brought to market, but was displayed at SHOT. From his LinkedIn: Developed a premium line of ultra-reliable 300 AAC Blackout and 5.56mm rifles that were purchased by the most elite special forces groups in the US Military. Other accomplishments include AAC Cyclops, 300-SD, 338-SD, TiTAN, TiTAN-QD, rebar cutter, Blackout flash suppressor, muzzle brakes, and blank firing adapter. Project lead at AAC for 300 AAC Blackout – the popular SAAMI cartridge that has won the support of more than 160 companies. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 9:46:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, Robert did those “Hyposone technology”. Sam did the 51T mounts, 338 ratchet mount, and I believe the brake part as well. You guys should read “welding titanium” on Snipers Hide. Pretty good read if you want to learn more about KB. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 9:48:56 PM EDT
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You guys should read “welding titanium” on Snipers Hide. Pretty good read if you want to learn more about KB. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 10:53:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, didn’t he do a lot for silencers with testing and marketing? Or would you attribute the former to Silvers? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 10:54:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just finished. Reminded me of this forum 10 years ago. Nothing has changed. |
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