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IA, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2023 7:57:45 AM EST
I posted this over on the cmp forums and was hoping to get the opinions of some experts here.
I’m looking at purchasing an early Inland M1 Carbine in the mid 400k serial number range. It has not been Arsenal rebuilt to my knowledge and retains the original flip sights and lack of bayo lug. It was inspected by an employee of the Rock Island Auction company and his opinion is that it is original and correct with the possible exception of the unmarked hammer. The barrel on this carbine has the proper Inland stampings but lacks a date of manufacture. Is this common with an early Inland barrel? All my research says it’s common in late war barrels but not early one. Thanks in advance for your input. |
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Posted: 4/16/2023 8:09:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: ggibbs]
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All barrel manufacturers under contract to U.S. Army Ordnance marked their barrels with either their name or manufacturers mark. The most common location for this marking was on top of the barrel approximately 2" from the muzzle. Markings used by some of the barrel manufacturers slightly varied over time. Many manufacturers placed the month and year the barrel was manufactured directly below the manufacturers mark. This practice varied over time with some barrels having only partial date markings and some having no date at all.
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/barrels.html |
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Posted: 4/16/2023 10:46:02 AM EST
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Could have been rebarreled during the war. If it's coming from Rock Island Auction I would take their word on it. Also could have missed getting the barrel stamped for some reason. People forget in 2023 that in 1943 they had a war on some as long as something passed the inspection it was GTG and shipped out.
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IA, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2023 1:07:46 PM EST
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To be clear this rifle isn’t coming from rock island auction, it’s at a gun store on consignment. There just happened to be a rock island employee there looking at it. I had the chance to fully disassemble it today and noted two things not correct. The bolt is underwood and the hammer is quality hardware marked. S/N 424XXX. Everything else appears correct.
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Posted: 4/16/2023 4:04:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Semper_Firearms: To be clear this rifle isn’t coming from rock island auction, it’s at a gun store on consignment. There just happened to be a rock island employee there looking at it. I had the chance to fully disassemble it today and noted two things not correct. The bolt is underwood and the hammer is quality hardware marked. S/N 424XXX. Everything else appears correct. Could have been wartime parts sharing, could have been a USGI armorer changing parts as needed during a service check. If the price is right I would jump on it. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2023 7:25:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Could have been wartime parts sharing, could have been a USGI armorer changing parts as needed during a service check. If the price is right I would jump on it. The price was right for me and I’m happy with it. Thanks for the input. |
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Posted: 4/16/2023 8:22:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: DonFlynn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Semper_Firearms: The price was right for me and I’m happy with it. Thanks for the input. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Semper_Firearms: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Could have been wartime parts sharing, could have been a USGI armorer changing parts as needed during a service check. If the price is right I would jump on it. The price was right for me and I’m happy with it. Thanks for the input. 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2023 9:10:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Could have been wartime parts sharing, could have been a USGI armorer changing parts as needed during a service check. If the price is right I would jump on it. I'm going with wartime replacement of parts. Most likely to replace the original dogleg hammer. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 9:56:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By svt40: I'm going with wartime replacement of parts. Most likely to replace the original dogleg hammer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By svt40: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Could have been wartime parts sharing, could have been a USGI armorer changing parts as needed during a service check. If the price is right I would jump on it. I'm going with wartime replacement of parts. Most likely to replace the original dogleg hammer. Good point......... |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2023 3:43:38 AM EST
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Inland didn't use parts from other manufacturers, they were a prime contractor and made enough parts that they supplied them to other manufacturers.
An all correct Inland carbine that was as-made wouldn't have had parts from other manufacturers in it unless it went through a rebuild program after WW2. Which most of them in US inventory at that time did to, at the very least, upgrade them to current spec parts like flip safeties, mag catches with the "30 round tab", adjustable sights and front bands with bayonet lugs. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2023 9:22:34 PM EST
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Long overdue pics!
        
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Posted: 5/6/2023 11:41:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Semper_Firearms: Long overdue pics! https://i.imgur.com/3NMi2Ox.jpg https://i.imgur.com/UWNngXo.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GVqsRCD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/UIGPpBl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/79fHktJ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gDXSCis.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0HsPbun.jpg https://i.imgur.com/fpYgTf6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/aGgLGbY.jpg Very nice |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2023 11:10:17 AM EST
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Very nice carbine!
After seeing it I definitely think it went through a rebuild in late WWII. With the hammer and magazine catch being replaced. At also seems that Inland had some issues with barrel markings in the 1944-1945 time-frame. The markings being incomplete or missing. Check for a P proof on the top of the barrel forward of the barrel band. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2023 11:31:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: Semper_Firearms]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By svt40: Very nice carbine! After seeing it I definitely think it went through a rebuild in late WWII. With the hammer and magazine catch being replaced. At also seems that Inland had some issues with barrel markings in the 1944-1945 time-frame. The markings being incomplete or missing. Check for a P proof on the top of the barrel forward of the barrel band. There is a small “P” on top of the barrel just forward of the barrel band. Wouldn’t the magazine catch have a “M” stamped on it if it were a late war rebuild? |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 12:13:31 PM EST
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My Inland with a 44,xxx serial number has a undated Rockola barrel. But it has been through rebuild.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2023 7:07:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: svt40]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Semper_Firearms: There is a small “P” on top of the barrel just forward of the barrel band. Wouldn’t the magazine catch have a “M” stamped on it if it were a late war rebuild? Not necessarily. In this picture of my M1 you can see the early thick style magazine catch. Sorry about the huge image Imgur editing stopped working. 
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2023 7:19:00 AM EST
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Thanks for the information.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/22/2023 12:25:46 PM EST
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this from the m1carbinesinc site may help. "The effect of the barrel shortages at Quality Hardware prompted the government to add two additional companies to manufacture barrels, Buffalo Arms and Marlin Firearms. The Brown-Lipe-Chapin Division of General Motors, subcontracted to manufacture barrels for Inland, also manufactured barrels for the program. These barrels were provided to Inland, who marked with Inland markings before providing them to the program. "
so it appears that if inland got these barrels they may have stamped them as inland, but not knowing the actual date of mfg, perhaps did not add a date. I have such a barrel in a '44 inland carbine |
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