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Posted: 8/8/2019 12:41:57 PM EDT
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Plenty here do just that. It’s all up to how comfortable and easy it is for you to get your NOD-encrusted face behind the RDS. It will take some time to become proficient at it.
Some can have a PVS over their non-dominant eye and put their unaided eye behind the RDS and their lucky brains will “fuse” the two eye images, and see the red dot in their NV. Sadly, my brain isn’t that elastic. |
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Posted: 8/8/2019 12:44:57 PM EDT
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ideally, you would have both options available to you.
It seems as though evidence suggests that it's easier to keep a red dot zeroed as compared to an aiming laser. Having a 1.93" or taller mount definitely helps with getting yourself in the propr position to see the dot. |
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Posted: 8/8/2019 12:46:26 PM EDT
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Yep! A bit more reliable zero. Sucks in prone and unconventional positions though. Time and place for both
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Posted: 8/8/2019 1:04:44 PM EDT
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Prefer no, but there is def a time and a place. I strongly recommend learning and mastering this skillset.
ETA it looks like a lot of folks are recommending you forgo a Laser in this thread, and in my humble and professional opinion I would strongly caution you to not forgo a LAM, in the dark options are good the laser may not be a good targeting method and vice versa the RDS may not work in certain situations. And yes I do love me a tall mount |
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Posted: 8/8/2019 1:30:06 PM EDT
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Yep.
I've used lasers off an on through the years but I always tend to bring the gun up and get a sight picture anyway. I feel I'm more accurate with it than with a laser.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/8/2019 1:43:41 PM EDT
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Love using lasers, but sometimes I cannot get into a position to use it as well as my red dot.
Love the KAC skyscraper mount for the T2. |
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Posted: 8/8/2019 1:44:42 PM EDT
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My experience is very limited. But I did both during the Greenline Tactical Nightfighter class.
I think it's probably very well worth your time to learn how to do both. Just my non professional .02. |
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Posted: 8/8/2019 9:15:31 PM EDT
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Can do both, much more prefer red dot.
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Posted: 8/8/2019 9:38:10 PM EDT
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It's good to train doing both.
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Posted: 8/8/2019 9:48:48 PM EDT
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as was mentioned. an extra tall riser helps a lot. You can find a decent balance between NV and non-NV use height.
it also helps if you have a well engrained proper shooting stance, bringing the rifle up to your face instead of your face down to the rifle. In daytime its not as big a deal cuz we can look through the top part of our eye socket, but if you try that with NV your tube will be pointed at the receiver instead of through the optic |
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Posted: 8/9/2019 2:21:05 AM EDT
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Keep in mind light transmission through the red dot is a factor also. Yes you can see the dot on NV settings but the target itself can be hard to see through the red dot glass, depending on distance. Some red dots are worse than others and in my experience even the T1 is darker than the NODs by themselves
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Posted: 8/9/2019 6:18:33 AM EDT
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On a rifle an IR laser is faster and more efficient vs a RDS. On a pistol a RDS is
a little faster. If you're going to be shooting in extremely low light you're going to need an IR illuminator an trying to use it with a RDS will be cumbersome and not as efficient as an IR Laser/Illuminator that both come on with a single press of a button. |
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Posted: 8/9/2019 11:16:44 AM EDT
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I prefer to use the RDS so much I haven't invested in any more lasers. That's $1300+ I can use towards other gear that I'll actually use.
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Posted: 8/9/2019 1:23:37 PM EDT
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I prefer to use the RDS so much I haven't invested in any more lasers. That's $1300+ I can use towards other gear that I'll actually use. |
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Posted: 8/9/2019 2:03:34 PM EDT
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ideally, you would have both options available to you. It seems as though evidence suggests that it's easier to keep a red dot zeroed as compared to an aiming laser. Having a 1.93" or taller mount definitely helps with getting yourself in the propr position to see the dot. |
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Posted: 8/9/2019 2:12:09 PM EDT
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What are you using as a RDS and how is it setup? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I prefer to use the RDS so much I haven't invested in any more lasers. That's $1300+ I can use towards other gear that I'll actually use. |
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Posted: 8/9/2019 2:22:39 PM EDT
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I prefer to use the RDS so much I haven't invested in any more lasers. That's $1300+ I can use towards other gear that I'll actually use. |
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Posted: 8/9/2019 9:58:18 PM EDT
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This is one time it’s nice being cross eye dominant. 14 over left eye red dot to right shooting right handed. No need for night vision modes.
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Posted: 8/10/2019 5:20:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some can have a PVS over their non-dominant eye and put their unaided eye behind the RDS and their lucky brains will “fuse” the two eye images, and see the red dot in their NV. Sadly, my brain isn’t that elastic. |
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Posted: 8/10/2019 12:21:50 PM EDT
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I have both and trained with both. I prefer the IR laser 10x more than the RDS. It is much faster when you have the nods on your face and allows you to fire from any position - prone to standing, barricade, non traditional- which can be difficult to impossible with the RDS. If you can afford nods, you can afford a decent laser. Don’t go cheap on your aiming method. Accuracy in the real world is everything. If it’s all just going to sit in the safe, it doesn’t matter. Good luck! ??
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Posted: 8/11/2019 11:10:02 AM EDT
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IMHO, it depends greatly on the situation.
With the proper setup and in some lighting conditions, I can get behind the RDS almost as fast, and shoot with more precision--the ability to dial brightness as opposed to an IR laser is also nice. That being said, from "cold," I'm always going to use the IR laser, because it's faster and easier, and in certain lighting conditions, if you don't have the RDS dialed in perfectly (especially with a monocular), or with any kind of back-lighting, VIS or IR, the RDS is going to be much less effective. I would not get rid of either capability on a "social" gun for night use. If you're just plinking/hunting or some other low-stakes activity, then of course it's entirely up to what meets your needs and budget. ~Augee |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 12:51:14 PM EDT
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I use both. Eotech for longer more precise shots. Laser up close. Assuming I have the time I’ll use the eotech every time. But sometimes when a hog jumps up you don’t have time
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Posted: 8/11/2019 12:52:46 PM EDT
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Keep in mind light transmission through the red dot is a factor also. Yes you can see the dot on NV settings but the target itself can be hard to see through the red dot glass, depending on distance. Some red dots are worse than others and in my experience even the T1 is darker than the NODs by themselves |
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