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Nothing about kits is rattling their chain, it's just a convenient excuse.

The people driving this want to kill most of you, steal your shit, and enslave the rest.

The fact that you exist is rattling their chain.

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Those raids are the only reason I abstained from ordering a kit when I decided to do a F1 can. Not ordering all the parts first, either, before I get the Form 1 back - I don't trust the "it's not drilled out yet, and I have no way of doing so personally" defense to hold water with them anymore. I've got the paperwork drafted up and ready to go, I'm just waiting for my fingerprint cards to get here from them so I can roll my prints and send it in.

FATF

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I'm sure it's been pondered elsewhere.



Obviously if your (unconstitutional and ridiculously legislated) ducks are in a row you have nothing to fear anyway as there is nothing illegal about making a trap into a can, but what in the world is the angle there? Just being able to avoid speaking in code is a massive business advantage for them when it comes to advertising. And even more seriously, if you're a competent machinist and could turn out even a decent trap design, you could make bank right now.

And yes, I know the real answer is that the ATF makes it up as they go and they have no oversight but still, weirdness all around all of a sudden.

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I was going to do a form 1 silencer, but with the current situation going on, I think I will destroy the kit I have coming and just forget about it. The current climate has me worried where things are going to lead.

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PLEASE dont do that!! That is exactly what they want. Intimidation. Nothing they do will hold up in court and they know it. Just counting on people like you to fold. Please STAND.
Proper form 1 should be FINE!

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Waiting on mine ( form 1 ) to come back and a kit from DM here fortunately. Took a while but made it.

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Same. Form 1'ed near the end of October a DM kit I bought almost a year ago. But I am stuck in "Pending Research" still even though I thought I did all the secret handshake bullshit required to skip that but I guess not. Just want a Form 1 in hand if/when Mr. ATF knocks on my door.

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You have a non firearm item, and don't have an approve Fm1, and are worried the ATF will come knocking?

Geez, people have become brainwashed at the very same moment of complaining about people being brainwashed.

If the ATF bashed down doors of people who were 1) prohibited from firearms, 2) bought a kit, 3) and did not fill out a Fm1, would anyone care if the ATF did that?

If you are 100% legal, then why would you be worried? Makes no sense.

They raided the source, which by very nature removes 1-2-3 above (and you) from the chain, etc. The legalities of which will be upheld by the phukked courts, plain 'n simple.

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Same. Form 1'ed near the end of October a DM kit I bought almost a year ago. But I am stuck in "Pending Research" still even though I thought I did all the secret handshake bullshit required to skip that but I guess not. Just want a Form 1 in hand if/when Mr. ATF knocks on my door.

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Have you "asked an expert?"

Usually those pending research hangups are like "oops we forgot about that" and clear up within hours of being contacted about.

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That is a cool story, brethren. You obviously care much more then I do judging from your response. Care to share with the class what's got you all hot and bothered?

EDIT: Ah, December 2020 join date and already over 900 posts. Well that explains it. lol

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Not really my 1st rodeo here, so don't let join dates & post count mean something to you, it doesn't.

I am no fan (zero nada zilch) of any govt agency having BS regulatory discretionary interpretation powers over their own BS wordsmithing, and then the courts uphold the BS. And neither should anyone else for that matter. It's like saying "I dunno what that means, if 4+4=8, better ask who wrote it", so you ask and get an answer like "well, if it's close to 8 then you can't do that".

If only ATF would use proper phukking English in the BS ink they put on paper! Everything they write, from the regulations, to responses, to the forms they create, is convoluted junk. It should be mandated by law that BS regulatory agencies like ATF have a English professor on fed payroll to review all the crap that the agency writes, and then correct it to make sense. Heck, pick a subject that typically has a common question with it, I dunno, something around NFA item, then call 12 different ATF offices around the country and see that you get 12 different answers, or they refer you off to a # in VA. Are they not supposed to be competent in what they do, using their own crap verbiage they have inked?

I'm sorry, did you have a question?

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Not really my 1st rodeo here, so don't let join dates & post count mean something to you, it doesn't.

I am no fan (zero nada zilch) of any govt agency having BS regulatory discretionary interpretation powers over their own BS wordsmithing, and then the courts uphold the BS. And neither should anyone else for that matter. It's like saying "I dunno what that means, if 4+4=8, better ask who wrote it", so you ask and get an answer like "well, if it's close to 8 then you can't do that".

If only ATF would use proper phukking English in the BS ink they put on paper! Everything they write, from the regulations, to responses, to the forms they create, is convoluted junk. It should be mandated by law that BS regulatory agencies like ATF have a English professor on fed payroll to review all the crap that the agency writes, and then correct it to make sense. Heck, pick a subject that typically has a common question with it, I dunno, something around NFA item, then call 12 different ATF offices around the country and see that you get 12 different answers, or they refer you off to a # in VA. Are they not supposed to be competent in what they do, using their own crap verbiage they have inked?

I'm sorry, did you have a question?

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Has anyone heard any news on this?

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Some guys on the other form1 board set up a fund for him but they haven't posted any updates.

I'm still thinking that if you had an outstanding order with him, or if you ordered in the past that you'll hear from the boogey men in the future.

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So, will they make an appointment so I can show them the approved stamps and cans like should happen, or

Felony stop me while I am driving home and burn my house down with my wife and kids trapped inside like they normally do?

Whoops, forgot shoot the dog and rape the cat too.

FFS the shit law abiding people have to worry about

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There is, at best, a 50/50 chance that showing an approved F1 will suffice. If an item is declared contraband, you can't legally register it....approved F1 or not... just ask all the SOT's who registered their Tommybuilt T-36's as MG's on F2's, and still have to surrender/return/destroy them

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You guys are winding up BigPolska without reason.  

BP:  their “investigation” will not go on forever.  Chances are they have all they need; remember - he is the target (not you).  

If they are going to ask for items back from you, chances are they will do it sooner rather than later.

You have done nothing wrong; you have an F1.  IF they bother contacting you, just give them the single piece they want.  But I doubt they will bother, asking for things back since you Have an approved F1

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Haven't seen any confirmation of this yet.

Update, March 6, 2021:

I spoke with Chris today for the first time in 2021. Not a whole lot has changed, unfortunately. He has secured an attorney. They have filed legal forms to have his assets returned, but are being stonewalled. He’s not been charged with a crime. There’s no court date. ATF is not communicating with them at all.

Guys, it’s totally clear what is going on here. Same thing as what happened with Totality and Aegis. These jerks go in and take everything in hopes that you’ll just write it all off and move on. And you know what? Not many people want to fight the federal government in court, so that’s exactly what happens! Every time this happens, it becomes easier and more “normal” for it to happen again.

Chris tells me he is going to continue fighting this. Says he is going to fight it, even if it’s the last thing he ever does! He thoroughly enjoys, and is very passionate about what he did for the F1 community. He has continued doing other machine work to pay the bills, but nothing near what he was turning out prior to the raid.

One thing I wanted to determine was whether to keep the GFM going on his behalf, being unsure whether what I am doing is even the right thing. Chris assured me that every little bit helps, and he’s very thankful for what donations he has already received! I have not yet withdrawn any funds because he had no way of receiving them from me. He and I decided that sending a check directly to his attorney is the best course of action. So for those of you who have asked if there is a way to send funds directly to him without using GFM, yes there is. Message me and I’ll get you his attorney’s information.

For those of you who HAVE donated, THANK YOU! All donations will be sent in check form by me, to his attorney, and go towards his fight against the injustice against him and the F1 community.

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The DM GoFundMe thread over at the F1 Suppressor forum was updated with the text below:

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He had six+ months to deliver “in stock” product before he got raided and didn’t respond to multiple calls and emails.  That’s about as much GoFundMe as he will get out of me.  Now I gotta find a new source for parts to build my Form 1s.

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it is very possible that, in attempts to help customers with warranty work (a misaligned mount leading to a a baffle strike for example) that he took possession of a legally registered suppressor, fixed it, and sent it back. Well meaning, right thing to do, and super illegal if you're not an SOT. And I don't think he was.

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it is very possible that, in attempts to help customers with warranty work (a misaligned mount leading to a a baffle strike for example) that he took possession of a legally registered suppressor, fixed it, and sent it back. Well meaning, right thing to do, and super illegal if you're not an SOT. And I don't think he was.

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Well...that would be a big NO-NO. Is that what happened? Do you know, first hand, if that is what happened?

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My best guess is the way he center marked cups and caps was pushing it a little too far and just the excuse the ATF needed to dig into the guy.

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Possible,  but definitely not the whole story.  If it was just centermarks, the ATF would've made it clear. DM would've said, ok we'll stop using those. Production would've resumed w/in a couple weeks.