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Posted: 3/15/2018 5:26:34 PM EDT
I'm looking for clarification on how to book a completed lower receiver that has a pistol tube installed with the intention of becoming a pistol but that does not have any accompanying upper included or attached.

Does this get registered in the books as a receiver/other or as a pistol?

I'm getting a lot of conflicting information as to how this should be booked as because technically speaking since it has no upper ever mated to it's not really a rifle nor a pistol and is just an other.
Link Posted: 3/15/2018 5:29:07 PM EDT
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Other
Link Posted: 3/15/2018 5:34:51 PM EDT
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If the idea is to make it a pistol why would t you register it as a pistol? Especially if your gonna put together a upper shorter then 16", don't think I'd want a short barreled upper laying around without a sbr stamp or a pistol lower. Anyway I just bought a lower with the intent to make a pistol and it got registered as a pistol. Rifle lowers go as other.
Link Posted: 3/15/2018 5:43:56 PM EDT
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If the idea is to make it a pistol why would t you register it as a pistol? Especially if your gonna put together a upper shorter then 16", don't think I'd want a short barreled upper laying around without a sbr stamp or a pistol lower. Anyway I just bought a lower with the intent to make a pistol and it got registered as a pistol. Rifle lowers go as other.
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Because I am not manufacturing the pistol.   Customer would be so i have no control if he decides to make it a rifle, pistol, or a firearm.   It leaves my books as something and I dont want to get that log incorrect.   Logging it as a pistol also potentially means filing multiple sales reporting when a customer buys more than one which is where I am at and i don’t want to file something on something that i logged incorrectly.
Link Posted: 3/15/2018 5:44:23 PM EDT
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I'm looking for clarification on how to book a completed lower receiver that has a pistol tube installed with the intention of becoming a pistol but that does not have any accompanying upper included or attached.

Does this get registered in the books as a receiver/other or as a pistol?

I'm getting a lot of conflicting information as to how this should be booked as because technically speaking since it has no upper ever mated to it's not really a rifle nor a pistol and is just an other.
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I see your point....

I was looking at AR-9 receivers and the options were Stripped, Pistol and Rifle...  The only difference in Pistol and Rifle was the Pistol had a Pistol Tube and the Rifle had a Tube with Buttstock on it.
Link Posted: 3/15/2018 5:55:54 PM EDT
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Other. You list what it is. Not what it could be someday.
Unless you are in a commie state, there is no such thing as "registration".
Link Posted: 3/15/2018 6:01:27 PM EDT
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Other. You list what it is. Not what it could be someday.
Unless you are in a commie state, there is no such thing as "registration".
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Thats what I thought but a installed tube threw me off.
Link Posted: 3/15/2018 9:28:50 PM EDT
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AD book "receiver"
4473 page 2 , "other"
4473 page 3, "receiver"
Link Posted: 3/15/2018 10:41:47 PM EDT
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It is an "other", it is not complete in any manner possible right now so it is an "other"
Link Posted: 3/15/2018 10:45:28 PM EDT
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Thanks guys.
Link Posted: 3/16/2018 12:40:31 AM EDT
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Read the instructions to Questions 16 & 27 on the Form 4473.
Those instructions answer almost every question a dealer would have about recording a firearm in his books or on the 4473.


Link Posted: 3/16/2018 1:09:16 AM EDT
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AD book "receiver"
4473 page 2 , "other"
4473 page 3, "receiver"
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This.

No difference if it was received with no tube, a carbine tube, or a stock.

Assuming it was received new, any of those could be assembled as a pistol or a rifle.

It's not a pistol until it has a barrel. It isn't a rifle until it has a barrel and a shoulder stock at the same time.
Link Posted: 3/16/2018 10:52:04 AM EDT
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Read the instructions to Questions 16 & 27 on the Form 4473.
Those instructions answer almost every question a dealer would have about recording a firearm in his books or on the 4473.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-It6MQolu7cQ/VowVAkHgUGI/AAAAAAAAAIQ/PyypGvTcy3A/s1600/InstructionsBlog%25231.jpg

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Doesn't mention the presence of a tube which is specific to the laws of being a pistol or the definition of a rifle.  This is why I asked here.
Link Posted: 3/16/2018 1:17:13 PM EDT
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Doesn't mention the presence of a tube which is specific to the laws of being a pistol or the definition of a rifle.  This is why I asked here.
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Read the instructions to Questions 16 & 27 on the Form 4473.
Those instructions answer almost every question a dealer would have about recording a firearm in his books or on the 4473.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-It6MQolu7cQ/VowVAkHgUGI/AAAAAAAAAIQ/PyypGvTcy3A/s1600/InstructionsBlog%25231.jpg

Doesn't mention the presence of a tube which is specific to the laws of being a pistol or the definition of a rifle.  This is why I asked here.
Of course it doesn't, so according to the 4473 instructions what is it?
Link Posted: 3/16/2018 6:41:30 PM EDT
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Doesn't mention the presence of a tube which is specific to the laws of being a pistol or the definition of a rifle.  This is why I asked here.
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Read the instructions to Questions 16 & 27 on the Form 4473.
Those instructions answer almost every question a dealer would have about recording a firearm in his books or on the 4473.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-It6MQolu7cQ/VowVAkHgUGI/AAAAAAAAAIQ/PyypGvTcy3A/s1600/InstructionsBlog%25231.jpg

Doesn't mention the presence of a tube which is specific to the laws of being a pistol or the definition of a rifle.  This is why I asked here.
It can have tube and horror of horrors a shoulder stock....it's still an "Other Firearm" As long as it doesn't have a barrel it doesn't meet the definition of rifle, shotgun or handgun.

Have you read any of CFR478?
Link Posted: 3/19/2018 5:29:12 PM EDT
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