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Posted: 7/10/2018 9:05:15 PM EDT
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I have an idea for a gun feature that I would like to explore, though at the moment it is just an idea, but I have a feeling it might be worth something, who should I talk to about coming up with this idea and even seeing if it is viable? ETA: the reason I have this kind of question is it has something to do with circumventing laws in bad states, and I’m not even positive it is mechanically possible, even though it is quite basic. 
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Posted: 7/10/2018 9:30:08 PM EDT
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You should make one and test it. If it works, see a patent attorney.
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Posted: 7/10/2018 10:07:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/10/2018 10:08:39 PM EDT
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You should make one and test it. If it works, see a patent attorney. Don't publish pics or describe it until you do. |
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Posted: 7/10/2018 11:08:26 PM EDT
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Getcha a 3-D printer and print one, see if it hand cycles. If that works, then see about machining/welding one.
I build stuff out of Legos so I don't patent anything, just freely release it. Don't patent a single-stack feed hopper, I'm working on it. |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 1:43:16 AM EDT
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Getcha a 3-D printer and print one, see if it hand cycles. If that works, then see about machining/welding one. I build stuff out of Legos so I don't patent anything, just freely release it. Don't patent a single-stack feed hopper, I'm working on it. My idea has something to do with making an AR legal in CA, CT, and MA, though I think I’ll have to consult with the ATF and a attorney to see if it works around the law the way I want it to. |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 4:48:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that the sig brace, bullet button, or the fin grip were non COC. You said in your first post it may be something to circumvent laws, which is the violation of COC |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 9:25:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aah, that’s an interesting concept, let me know when you have a working product, I would love to see it.
My idea has something to do with making an AR legal in CA, CT, and MA, though I think I’ll have to consult with the ATF and a attorney to see if it stays within |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 9:33:42 AM EDT
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I don't know much about parenting firearm parts, maybe you meant patenting?
Is this like the 10rd .458 SOCOM mags that "happen to hold 30 rounds of 5.56"? Or the 10rd .40 USP mags that held 13 rounds of 9mm? If it's something like that, just bring the product to market and let the rumors start on their own. |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 1:14:46 PM EDT
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My idea has something to do with making an AR legal in CA, CT, and MA, though I think I'll have to consult with the ATF and a attorney to see if it works |
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Posted: 7/11/2018 2:15:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed your verbiage that is triggering the snowflakes. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 4:11:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aah, that’s an interesting concept, let me know when you have a working product, I would love to see it. My idea has something to do with making an AR legal in CA, CT, and MA, though I think I’ll have to consult with the ATF and a attorney to see if it works around the law the way I want it to. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 3:35:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see any snowflakes in this conversation and it is the systems rules that state discussing potential illegal items that is against COC not those who point it out to the OP
You're nitpicking the terminology he used. You're absolutely acting like a snowflake. I'm sorry you cannot see that. Smart people don't patent and market ideas that are clear violations of the law. While the terminology he chose may have led you to believe he was trying to violate or help people violate laws, the context that it was in sends a different message. So clearly it was just poor choice of terminology... of course it takes common sense to see that. You either lack common sense, or you have it and you chose not to use it, instead acting like a snowflake... |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 5:02:28 PM EDT
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You're nitpicking the terminology he used. You're absolutely acting like a snowflake. I'm sorry you cannot see that. Smart people don't patent and market ideas that are clear violations of the law. While the terminology he chose may have led you to believe he was trying to violate or help people violate laws, the context that it was in sends a different message. So clearly it was just poor choice of terminology... of course it takes common sense to see that. You either lack common sense, or you have it and you chose not to use it, instead acting like a snowflake... As a licensed manufacture that makes NFA items, you can rest assured I am not a snowflake. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 5:42:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awe BS, I don't really give a shit what he does, I am just reminding him of what I have seen done in the past on this system when someone mentions what they are doing may circumvent the laws, so go somewhere else and pout about what I said. As a licensed manufacture that makes NFA items, you can rest assured I am not a snowflake.  Simply being a licensed manufacturer doesn't mean you can't be a snowflake. Some of the conduct I see between manufacturers mirrors that of a snowflake; walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's probably a duck, no? Actions/conduct speak louder than words, and your conduct in this thread says a lot more than the futile words you're trying to defend yourself with.
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Posted: 7/12/2018 6:33:39 PM EDT
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When multiple people say the same thing maybe it's time to stop and take a look in the mirror. Simply being a licensed manufacturer doesn't mean you can't be a snowflake. Some of the conduct I see between manufacturers mirrors that of a snowflake; walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's probably a duck, no? Actions/conduct speak louder than words, and your conduct in this thread says a lot more than the futile words you're trying to defend yourself with.You point is? Just as a side note, it is easy to get a product patented that may be legal based on the BATF and can still circumvent state laws and be illegal. I am fine if you feel I am a snowflake, what you feel or think really has no bearing on me. you are simply another name on a endless list on a computer screen. |
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Posted: 7/12/2018 11:32:29 PM EDT
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Just as a side note, it is easy to get a product patented that may be legal based on the BATF and can still circumvent state laws and be illegal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Just as a side note, it is easy to get a product patented that may be legal based on the BATF and can still circumvent state laws and be illegal. Quoted:I am fine if you feel I am a snowflake, what you feel or think really has no bearing on me. you are simply another name on a endless list on a computer screen. |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 12:21:01 AM EDT
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Aah, that’s an interesting concept, let me know when you have a working product, I would love to see it. My idea has something to do with making an AR legal in CA, CT, and MA, though I think I’ll have to consult with the ATF and a attorney to see if it works around the law the way I want it to. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Getcha a 3-D printer and print one, see if it hand cycles. If that works, then see about machining/welding one. I build stuff out of Legos so I don't patent anything, just freely release it. Don't patent a single-stack feed hopper, I'm working on it. My idea has something to do with making an AR legal in CA, CT, and MA, though I think I’ll have to consult with the ATF and a attorney to see if it works around the law the way I want it to.
Why do you need parenting ideas for guns? |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 12:30:29 AM EDT
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Why do you need parenting ideas for guns? |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 12:37:59 PM EDT
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Why would a person do that? Sink a ton of money into the patent process on an item that is virtually unmarketable because it's illegal sounds like business-suicide to me... but hey, it's a free world!!! As are you! Just another troll on an endless list of others stirring the pot for no reason, no gain, and not helping the discussion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Why would a person do that? Sink a ton of money into the patent process on an item that is virtually unmarketable because it's illegal sounds like business-suicide to me... but hey, it's a free world!!! As are you! Just another troll on an endless list of others stirring the pot for no reason, no gain, and not helping the discussion. The filing fee is $130 for a small entity and drawings typically cost $100 to $125 per page, so a high quality provisional patent application for a mechanical or electrical device can typically be prepared and filed for $2,500 to $3,000. As far as the OP, just talk with an attorney versed in patent and firearm laws to see what they say. As far as being a troll, nope, not anymore than you are and your contribution to this thread. |
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Posted: 7/13/2018 6:47:22 PM EDT
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Oh Jesus Christ, he meant to type patenting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you need parenting ideas for guns? Click here! |
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Posted: 7/15/2018 8:42:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it is legal in 40 out of 50 states, it could still be a very lucrative product to the person that holds the patent on it. My partner and I sell products to people located in states where they are legal and there are other states we don't and can't ship items to. There are tens of thousands of items/ideas/plans that have been patented and never been marketed or built. Getting a patent is really not as expensive as some seem to think it is. Quote HistoryQuoted: If it is legal in 40 out of 50 states, it could still be a very lucrative product to the person that holds the patent on it. My partner and I sell products to people located in states where they are legal and there are other states we don't and can't ship items to. There are tens of thousands of items/ideas/plans that have been patented and never been marketed or built. Getting a patent is really not as expensive as some seem to think it is. Quoted:Cost to patent items
As far as the OP, just talk with an attorney versed in patent and firearm laws to see what they say. As far as being a troll, nope, not anymore than you are and your contribution to this thread. Full patents, with good, meaningful prior-art searches, and money to defend the patent if it were to be challenged is well into the 5-figure range, if not in the 6-figure range... if you're operating on provisional patents you're likely operating under a false sense of security. |
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Posted: 7/18/2018 9:38:58 PM EDT
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first you should talk to someone to design it for you... I can help with that... then determine how much to make it...etc... but before you talk to anyone make up a NDA... or non-disclosure agreement so that the design is 100% yours... once designed you can start talking about patents
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Posted: 7/18/2018 9:56:32 PM EDT
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NDA just provides for civil remedies (court-ordered punishment) for disclosure violations. It doesn't literally protect your IP. That's what a patent does.
But sure, have a NDA handy. Can't hurt. |
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