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Posted: 1/26/2020 7:33:37 PM EDT
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Here is a few more from someone else. This guy has his hooked up to a Copy of a Mr Bullet feeder sizing 357 and 45 bullets. This looks like the perfect setup for this.
https://youtu.be/YrKEK9__Nr0 https://youtu.be/RApVzqEGR38 https://youtu.be/TIwIdW4O03g He also tried to size some 308's and the rim ripped off. https://youtu.be/YMv1KMTGI2g |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:22:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tommee-boy-72:
He also tried to size some 308's and the rim ripped off. https://youtu.be/YMv1KMTGI2g Hornady One Shot=yuck! |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:16:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tommee-boy-72:
Here is a few more from someone else. This guy has his hooked up to a Copy of a Mr Bullet feeder sizing 357 and 45 bullets. This looks like the perfect setup for this. 8 https://youtu.be/TIwIdW4O03g He also tried to size some 308's and the rim ripped off. https://youtu.be/YMv1KMTGI2g  Lee APP sizing 357  Failed To Load Title  Failed To Load Title  Failed To Load Title |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:51:08 PM EDT
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Super slick. I might have to get one of these. I have a Star, but the mechanical advantage is far superior here. I could easily bend the handle on my star with fatter bullets.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2020 11:00:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OlKev]
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Posted: 1/28/2020 3:56:20 PM EDT
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Mine showed up yesterday finally it was delayed by good ol'e USPS.
I took it out of the box and looked it over. I'm going to try and set it up after dinner tonight and make a few decapping videos. Has anyone resized brass with theirs yet? I mainly was planning on using it for just depriming and swaging (once I get the kit) but would like to resize 223 as I don't load that on the Dillon but noticed on the shell holders it said not for resizing brass...uhh what 
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Posted: 1/28/2020 4:03:55 PM EDT
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Update posted 1/27/2020 on the Lee site:
January 27, 2020 update: Saw many Youtube videos this weekend featuring the App. You don’t have to call it the A-P-P it’s just the App. It is very gratifying for me to see how much fun you all are having. One videographer ran a speed test sizing 45 ACP bullets and it is amazing to see how fast and flawlessly it can feed and size bullets. The videos exposed a couple of hiccups and we have addressed them with a minor design change on the X-press shell holders. Thanks for sharing your App videos with the reloading community. 1) A Youtuber encountered a problem depriming 308 cases that had protruding primers from light loads. His solution was to grind a groove in the shell holder to allow the high primer to pass. We have made this change and future production will incorporate this change. 2) Several users had trouble with cases reliably entering and passing through the X-press shell holder. The cause of problem is the shell holder does not freely rotate. When a case with the slightest nick on the rim or extractor groove or any sort of distortion tries to enter the shell holder it binds. The harder it binds the harder the fingers grip the case. We have a solution that completely solves the problem. We have increased the chamfer on the bottom of the X-Press shell holder. This prevents the detent from applying any pressure on the shell holder and allows free rotation in the shell holder adaptor. Remove detentUntil we can fill the pipeline with these new shell holders you can simply remove the detent from the shell holder adaptor (see left). Replace the detent if you are using standard press shell holders or bullet sizer punch. When the shell holder is free to rotate cases will flow like water through the X-press shell holder. LC Brass3) One video producer was unsuccessful sizing 308 brass. His only problem was the type of case lubrication he used and how he used it. Hornaday one shot must be dry before sizing or it will not work. See my video left. I am sizing Lake City brass with a coating of Lee case sizing lube. I am actually using the X-press shell holder to demonstrate it will work with proper case lube. I am an old man 165 pounds soaking wet and had no trouble sizing military crimped machine gun fired brass. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 4:41:36 PM EDT
[#8]
Lee's response to the video about sizing 308 brass. Still looks like the handle could be a bit longer....
 Sizing military fired Lake City Brass with Lee APP press |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 4:49:47 PM EDT
[#9]
Agree, looks like he is working too hard to size that brass.
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Posted: 1/28/2020 5:18:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AeroE]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tommee-boy-72:
Unboxing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLXaV3JJkK0&t=0s De-capping FAIL! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3kpbcq1Vwo Edit to make those links hot. (use the chain icon  ) dryflash3I'm going to guess from the shape of the primer I saw he needs to take a look at the brass, headspace, type of gunpowder, and charge weights. Here is his video with a modified shell holder. His feed problem can be fixed by removing all the casting flash from the feeder, maybe add a little lube, and install a stouter spring if necessary. The spring is operating at an inefficient angle with long cases and is losing a bunch of load to the vertical component. I'll add that the shell holder solution mentioned by LEE should be incorporated, too, then the spring doesn't need to power the case through the shell holder if it's slightly misaligned.  Lee app shell holder modification |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 9:52:40 PM EDT
[#11]
I got my APP mounted to the bench earlier after dinner. Took a little longer than expected to get setup but I have it pretty close to dialed in now.
I have noticed when I fill up the case feed tube with 9mm cases (approx 20 - for sure ordering the case tube and collator setup) that the first 1-2 cases will stop just shy of being centered in the shell holder. I think it might have to do with the weight of the cases stacked up on the slide. Moving the handle up and down slightly will cause it to push into place, after the first few cases it rarely happens. I also noticed that the last 1-2 cases would sometimes fall over as they started to move out of the drop tube...so we'll see if I can get the kinks worked out. One thing I found to help was the last 10% of the up stroke if you speed it up it seemed to slide the cases into the shell holder better. One gripe I have is how you have to adjust the height of the feed tube on the slide plate, it's kind of crude (which I guess is to be expected at this price point) but it's kind of hard to get dialed in. If you get it dialed in and are doing a ton of one case size I guess it wouldn't be such a big deal. I ran out of time so no videos, but I will try to get back down to the bench tomorrow night and run some more cases through it. I have close to a 5 gallon bucket of 9 that needs to get deprimed for the wet tumbler. Once those are all done I might try sizing 223 cases though I use an RCBS small base die...not sure if this press is going to like it or not. Main reason for purchase was for depriming and swaging so if it doesn't work out for 223 I'll still be okay. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 10:38:06 PM EDT
[#12]
Thanks for the report.
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Posted: 1/29/2020 12:20:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dryflash3]
[#13]
<meme removed> keep them in GD please. dryflash3
for one of us to actually use this. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2020 5:54:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AeroE]
[#14]
If the shell holder was not a problem, then why has Lee already changed the design to have the slot cut all the way across? You will be able to get the replacement shell holders after they have them available as warranty.
Evidently someone does not know what shooting reduced loads can do. One is the primer can back out. |
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Posted: 2/14/2020 6:35:52 AM EDT
[#15]
A video showing deprime and swage operations. The case feed looks like it binds a couple times during deprime but the machine seems to run pretty smooth for swaging. The owner needs to get a hopper and some more tubes.
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Posted: 2/14/2020 9:28:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AeroE]
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Originally Posted By tommee-boy-72:
If the shell holder was not a problem, then why has Lee already changed the design to have the slot cut all the way across? You will be able to get the replacement shell holders after they have them available as warranty. Evidently someone does not know what shooting reduced loads can do. One is the primer can back out. Designing around ingenious idiots is difficult. |
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Posted: 2/14/2020 10:57:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroE:
Designing around ingenious idiots is difficult. |
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Posted: 2/14/2020 9:47:07 PM EDT
[#18]
Couple more vids:
 LEE APP Press Decapping 223 Brass  Lee Precision APP |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 1:08:29 PM EDT
[#19]
I can’t resize and chamfer primer pockets in one pass with the APP can I?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2020 5:07:08 PM EDT
[#20]
Got the Lee plastic collator using it w/ the universal case feeder on my deluxe kit. So far I've dropped a couple hundred 6.5 Grendel cases thru collator and only had 1 upside down, not too shabby, hopefully it continues w/o issue.
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Posted: 3/6/2020 5:38:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/6/2020 5:44:16 PM EDT
[#22]
Anyone know if any of the Inline Fabrication quick change plates will fit this?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2020 6:03:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81:
Anyone know if any of the Inline Fabrication quick change plates will fit this? https://inlinefabrication.com/collections/quick-change-press-mounting-system/products/quick-change-system-top-plates?variant=531909181 |
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Posted: 3/7/2020 2:59:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JamesP81]
[#24]
Got another question about getting the correct stuff ordered.
My use for this would be sizing/decapping, bullet sizing, and primer pocket swaging. The deluxe press comes with the automation kit. My understanding is that that is only the case / bullet feeder and feed tubes, along with a few shell holders. My read is that I’ll want the Case Collator for loading the tubes, and primer swaging kit. It also appears that I’d need to purchase the APP specific bullet sizer kits separately (unless the old style ones can be made to work) Do I have this right? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/7/2020 7:57:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Blowout]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81:
Got another question about getting the correct stuff ordered. My use for this would be sizing/decapping, bullet sizing, and primer pocket swaging. The deluxe press comes with the automation kit. My understanding is that that is only the case / bullet feeder and feed tubes, along with a few shell holders. My read is that I’ll want the Case Collator for loading the tubes, and primer swaging kit. It also appears that I’d need to purchase the APP specific bullet sizer kits separately (unless the old style ones can be made to work) Do I have this right? https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=app+bullet+sizer&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DB8RHBGngJPg https://leeprecision.com/app-automatic-processing-press/ https://leeprecision.com/spline-drive-breech-lock-bushing/ |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/11/2020 5:20:48 AM EDT
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I received mine about two weeks ago and finally got around to mounting it the other day. I had a 4 tube case feeder already so I utilized that and de primed a thousand rounds of .223 brass in way less than half the time it would have taken on my Loadmaster press.
It is not flawless, you get an occasional hiccup. But they were few and far between. Yesterday my swag dies came in and I set them up and swagged a few cases and this thing does exactly what it is supposed to do. Using mixed stamp brass was not a problem, all swagged and accepted primers. Setup was easy, adjusting and fine tuning was not difficult. I would have to say that so far it has cut my brass prep by more than half the time it normally takes. I do not have any plans to use it for re sizing, I will do that on the progressive because the shell plate captures more of the case rim. But I will give it a try just to see how well it works. I full length size so my expectations of this working for this procedure are not high. |
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Posted: 3/11/2020 11:53:14 AM EDT
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Has anyone tried to use the old style Lee push through bullet sizing dies with this? I am somewhat invested in those, it'd be nice if I could continue to use them.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 3/11/2020 12:09:02 PM EDT
[#28]
Yeah the old dies are good to go.
https://leeprecision.com/files/instruct/InstallBulletSizingKitIntoAPPpress.pdf |
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Posted: 3/11/2020 12:15:28 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Bossman:
Yeah the old dies are good to go. https://leeprecision.com/files/instruct/InstallBulletSizingKitIntoAPPpress.pdf Link made hot. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/12/2020 3:23:46 AM EDT
[#30]
NOE also has an adapter to use their sizing dies if you have them.
I have already busted the deprimer on my swage kit. Ran into some F&S 223 brass that had extremely small flash holes. Lee's pins are not hard. They bend right over. I have new ones coming. I may try to harden it to see if they last longer. |
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Posted: 3/12/2020 9:57:23 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tommee-boy-72:
NOE also has an adapter to use their sizing dies if you have them. I have already busted the deprimer on my swage kit. Ran into some F&S 223 brass that had extremely small flash holes. Lee's pins are not hard. They bend right over. I have new ones coming. I may try to harden it to see if they last longer. https://www.squirreldaddy.com/Decapping-pin-s/336.htm |
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Posted: 3/12/2020 12:28:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tommee-boy-72:
NOE also has an adapter to use their sizing dies if you have them. I have already busted the deprimer on my swage kit. Ran into some F&S 223 brass that had extremely small flash holes. Lee's pins are not hard. They bend right over. I have new ones coming. I may try to harden it to see if they last longer. I use Imperial case sizing lube and put a small amount on my finger and touch the decapping pin every 3 decapping cycles, or more often if decapping pin is dragging. This will enlarge the flashole and enable normal decapping on the next cycle of this case. Good luck |
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USA
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Posted: 3/12/2020 7:46:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mesooohoppy]
[#33]
Wow. Thank you all for posting this info. I have a dillon 550, so I do all my decapping and sizing on station one and remove the sizing die when it comes time to load; so something like this is right up my alley. Surprised to see people having issues with this press right out the box.
I wrote lee a bunch of questions and they werent super helpful in their response so I'll be watching this thread (I need to figure out how to suscribe to this thread). I just read through this entire thread and I apologize if it's been asked, but can this FL size my 556 and 308 brass while it decaps? If no, count me out; I see no point in just decapping when I could be sizing and decapping at the same time. Someone else mentioned it, but a machine that FL sizes, decaps, and swages the primer pocket in one pass without spending a bunch of money is what I want. I realize that no one is making this though. The new dillon case prep machine is cool, but it's just way too much for just a prep press. I've only learned on my 550 and have never used another press so a lot of this stuff is super foreign to me. Edit: Forgot to add. Lee did confirm it will work with a dillon case feeder. |
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Posted: 3/13/2020 12:14:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dryflash3]
[#34]
You aren't a team member, so the normal way won't work.
So you get your browser to set a bookmark/favorite to this thread. |
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Posted: 3/13/2020 12:53:23 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: What's the price on the 1050/1100 or the CP-2000 compared to the Lee? Few shooters can afford/justify spending $1800 for a press that swages. Granted there are things like the Dillon bench swager or the RCBS swager but those don't include a case feeder, etc. Heck, the Lee APP, if it works, is priced pretty close to the Dillon Super Swager. Edited to add--I've used the Swage-It on my 650 and am not satisfied with it. The Hornady Lock-N-Load AP swager does a more consistent job without occasionally popping cases up through the shell plate.
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Posted: 3/13/2020 12:54:07 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redarts:
Super slick. I might have to get one of these. I have a Star, but the mechanical advantage is far superior here. I could easily bend the handle on my star with fatter bullets. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/13/2020 1:40:50 PM EDT
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I'm interested in the ability to bulge bust with the APP. Just found this video I overlooked before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMqs_9VR75U The guy definitely needs a more supportive benchtop to mount the unit on. Fast forward to around 12:30, otherwise you'll likely give up on the idea as he struggles with the process. Probably adjustments in setup just need to be done. Maybe a conical sleeve to guide the case into the die as well. The unit itself doesn't seem to flex when a fat case gets punched through (14:32). |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 3/14/2020 5:34:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AR-Bossman]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blowout:
I'm interested in the ability to bulge bust with the APP. Just found this video I overlooked before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMqs_9VR75U The guy definitely needs a more supportive benchtop to mount the unit on. Fast forward to around 12:30, otherwise you'll likely give up on the idea as he struggles with the process. Probably adjustments in setup just need to be done. Maybe a conical sleeve to guide the case into the die as well. The unit itself doesn't seem to flex when a fat case gets punched through (14:32). |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/14/2020 8:31:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Blowout]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Bossman:
Just looking at the replies, as noted he isn't using the closed feeder adapter but the ones used for pushing cases. Also the bulgebusting process sounds terrible. I've been doing the BB process with a single stage press. If you FL size the cases first, its not anywhere near as hard to pull the handle as shown on the video. It also sizes the rim of the cases. There is a 2 step feel when pulling the handle. First resistance is where the base of the case being sized. The second is sizing the rim of the case. I shoot mixed range brass. This step makes sure there is a maximum diameter tolerance to the base of the case and rim. I also started doing this a few years back with 45 ACP when I had some failures to chamber a round in our 1911's. Some of it was a weak slide spring along with case base width creeping to a larger diameter. Edit: Here's a video of a press with the shell adapter bushings installed. Much more consistent feeding. https://vimeo.com/379358431 |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/20/2020 4:53:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: andre3k]
[#40]
Finally got my App setup. It's mounted on an Inline Fabrication plate. The downside to this setup is there isn't a place to mount an Akro Bin to catch cases so you'll have to find an alternative.
I haven't bought or used a Lee reloading press in a long time, but the quality is about the same as what I remember from 20 years ago. I like the design of this press, but as usual they fail on the execution. The case feeder is where the issue is, it has some pretty intricate moving parts that are all made from molded plastic. It reminds me of my Mattel toys from the 80's. I deprimed about 500 223 cases today as a trial run and the case feeder functioned correctly about 70% of the time. I would deprime about 10 - 15 cases and then something would always go wrong. My press doesn't have enough spring tension to reliably center the case in the express shell holder. It would stop just short of center and the deprimer would be misaligned with the case. If I could fix this the machine would be 90% reliable on depriming 223. I haven't tried it for bullet sizing yet. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/20/2020 6:26:41 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By andre3k: Finally got my App setup. Its mounted on an Inline Fabrication plate. The downside to this setup is there insn't a place to mount an Akro Bin to catch cases so you'll have to find an alternative. I haven't bought or used a Lee reloading press in a long time, but the quality is about the same as what I remember from 20 years ago. I like the design of this press, but as usual they fail on the execution. The case feeder is where the issue is, it has some pretty intricate moving parts that are all made from molded plastic. It reminds me of my Mattel toys from the 80's. I deprimed about 500 223 cases today as a trial run and the case feeder functioned correctly about 70% of the time. I would deprime about 10 - 15 cases and then something would always go wrong. My press doesn't have enough spring tension to reliably center the case in the express shell holder. It would stop just short of center and the deprimer would be misaligned with the case. If I could fix this the machine would be 90% reliable on depriming 223. I havent tried it for bullet sizing yet. I found that the trick to getting them centered in the shell holder is a nice smooth operation of the handle. took me a while to figure it out. I was using the swaging die set that has a large pin that is just a tiny bit smaller than the case neck and it would occasionally hang up and I would have to center it with my fingers. their is also an adjustment for the the jaws, spring tension should not matter if the case feeder is hitting the stop. If the case is wobbling when the jaws release that is when I noticed the problem. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2020 10:07:41 AM EDT
[#42]
Inline just posted a double bin setup for the App.
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Posted: 3/21/2020 12:08:59 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trollslayer: A case feeder that holds ten cases is hardly worth the effort. It it doesn't look all that difficult to mount up a Dillon casefeeder for it either. The only question in my mind is if it really works or not, and if it will last. |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 12:15:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Bossman: Inline just posted a double bin setup for the App. https://inlinefabrication.com/collections/lee/products/sidebin-system-lee-app-press This one? |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 12:31:19 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dino11: I found that the trick to getting them centered in the shell holder is a nice smooth operation of the handle. took me a while to figure it out. I was using the swaging die set that has a large pin that is just a tiny bit smaller than the case neck and it would occasionally hang up and I would have to center it with my fingers. their is also an adjustment for the the jaws, spring tension should not matter if the case feeder is hitting the stop. If the case is wobbling when the jaws release that is when I noticed the problem. You’re probably aware of this, but it’s a good time to point it out. The spring that connects to the top of the press and angles down to the actuator can be installed wrong. Where the open part of the spring clips to the top of the press, it needs to be oriented, or tensioned, so it stays to the left. If it goes to the right, there isn’t enough length in the spring to move the shell all the way onto the shell holder. The solution is twist the spring towards the press or unhook it at the actuator and turn it towards the press. With the spring tensioned towards the press it will stay left. Tensioned out, the wrong way, it wants to stay to the right. Right way (disregard the brass, it was just laying there)  Attached FileWrong way  Attached File |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2020 12:55:38 PM EDT
[#46]
I was not aware of the spring orientation, but just by luck mine is on the correct way.
I just noticed that if I used quick jerky motion on the handle that the case would wobble a little when the jaws released it and that is when the case was not centered properly. Use smooth slower motion and the case would release from the jaws and with next to no wobble, and the shell would be centered. At first I thought that it was the case feeder needing adjusted because the cases were falling into the feeder at a slight angle and falling forward into the jaws inducing a wobble. I am using a four tube feeder on mine and can get 41 cases in the tubes. after getting the tubes adjusted properly so the case fell straight and using a smooth action I have almost zero malfunctions. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/21/2020 10:20:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bubbatheredneck: Dillon 650/750 only feeds about ten cases per filling......unless you buy the optional casefeeder. It it doesn't look all that difficult to mount up a Dillon casefeeder for it either. The only question in my mind is if it really works or not, and if it will last. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bubbatheredneck: Originally Posted By Trollslayer: A case feeder that holds ten cases is hardly worth the effort. It it doesn't look all that difficult to mount up a Dillon casefeeder for it either. The only question in my mind is if it really works or not, and if it will last. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 10:51:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Is there anything on the market that'll deprime and swage on the same press? Other than the 1050 or the Mark 7? I think there's a market for an inexpensive brass processing machine. Something that's got maybe three stations. One to decap/size, one to swage that has a hold-down to keep from bending/popping case rims and one for trimming. Make it with a vacuum manifold like the GSI tool head and I think we'd be all set. +10000 |
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Posted: 4/19/2020 10:08:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N1150x: If I could hook up the casefeeder I would have been done in 30 minutes. Maybe this? https://www.ebay.com/itm/174215363137 |
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Posted: 4/19/2020 1:44:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLooks good and at a reasonable price.
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