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Posted: 5/11/2018 12:04:54 AM EDT
Had a guy transfer a lot of guns through me last summer...good customer. Last gun I received from him was a gunbroker purchase and its not a cheap gun. Its been sitting in my safe since November. I've tried calling, texting  e-mailing him to pick up his weapon and received no response, which isn't like him. At this point I think he's either dead or in jail. Should I send a certified letter to his home address? If I don't get a response from the letter what should be my next step?
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 12:12:36 AM EDT
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No response to certified return receipt, go to his house and check it out. If he’s been a regular customer and he won’t respond at all, something has gone really wrong. Who would abandon an expensive gun?
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 1:04:40 AM EDT
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Have you plugged his name into an internet search?
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 1:33:27 AM EDT
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Well you have the required information to have a check run on him, do you have any friends in Law Enforcement that might be able to do a check to see if something has happened to him?  You know the firearm has been paid for, or the seller would be making a stink about it sitting with you.  But there are legal way that you can trace him and find out what has happened, until such time as you do, you are basically a storage facility for him.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 1:46:08 AM EDT
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Had a guy transfer a lot of guys through me last summer...good customer. Last gun I received from him was a gunbroker purchase and its not a cheap gun. Its been sitting in my safe since November. I've tried calling, texting  e-mailing him to pick up his weapon and received no response, which isn't like him. At this point I think he's either dead or in jail. Should I send a certified letter to his home address? If I don't get a response from the letter what should be my next step?
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He transfers a lot of guys?
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 2:43:35 AM EDT
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Have you plugged his name into an internet search?
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Yep. Checked the websites for the county and city jail. He's not in there. Even ran a search for local obituaries. He has the same name as a famous movie director so running his name through Google came back with mostly erroneous hits.

The sale is legit. His credit card receipt is in the box.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 2:54:03 AM EDT
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Call the popo request a welfare check.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 3:03:11 AM EDT
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send it to me
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 4:38:30 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/11/2018 5:36:11 AM EDT
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Surely you must have his address
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 7:43:32 AM EDT
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Could be a health/hospital related issue. Granted November is a long time to have a paid for gun sitting there, but if a health issue is serious enough, the gun may be way down on his list of important stuff to do.

Another possibility is a divorce.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 8:38:41 AM EDT
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Have you tried searching for him on Facebook?  If you have his email address search on that too; if he linked the email address to his profile then it will show up.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 9:07:03 AM EDT
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a quick drive to the last known address?
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 9:17:47 AM EDT
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He can't - You are NOT a Texan...

Now myself on the other hand...

[Announcer] "Now Accepting on behalf of "Mr. Missing Gun Buyer" is ARFCOM's very own 'Bigger_Hammer'...

[Hammer] "Thank You!   Thank You!   In accepting this gun on behalf of "Mr. Missing Gun Buyer", I'd like to thank all those who made this possible...

My Mom & Dad (Obviously!), my 3rd grade teacher Ms. Eastwood who told me I could do anything I set my mind too, and finally Mr. F.F.L. who made this transfer possible!

I will cherish this gun on behalf of Mr. Missing Gun Buyer who appears to have boldly "FENT" where others feared to "FO"...

Thank You Again!  

BIGGER_HAMMER
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 9:19:02 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/11/2018 9:44:29 AM EDT
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Had a guy transfer a lot of guns through me last summer...good customer. Last gun I received from him was a gunbroker purchase and its not a cheap gun. Its been sitting in my safe since November. I've tried calling, texting  e-mailing him to pick up his weapon and received no response, which isn't like him. At this point I think he's either dead or in jail. Should I send a certified letter to his home address? If I don't get a response from the letter what should be my next step?
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What is Texas law on abandoned property?
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 10:00:49 AM EDT
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What is Texas law on abandoned property?
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Will have to research it. Not sure. Will run by his last known address and see if that turns up anything.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 10:45:49 AM EDT
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If he's .mil, might be deployed.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 11:14:11 AM EDT
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Under Texas law, it's not considered abandoned property until 3 years have passed.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 11:57:21 AM EDT
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I'd do a welfare check or maybe drive by his address and knock on the door, especially if he has been a good customer for a long time buying higher end hardware.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 12:00:14 PM EDT
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If he's .mil, might be deployed.
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Link Posted: 5/11/2018 12:08:42 PM EDT
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This.  Call local LE and let them know the situation and they'll go to the address.  Or just ride over yourself.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 12:18:44 PM EDT
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This.  Call local LE and let them know the situation and they'll go to the address.  Or just ride over yourself.
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have the welfare check conducted first
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 12:57:16 PM EDT
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My dad shut down our fun store thirty years ago, and still has numerous abandoned guns.  They have long been relegated to visual clutter, and dealing with them is not even close to being on his to-do list.

They just sit there at the house- complete with tags dangling from their trigger guards..
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 1:58:31 PM EDT
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Great. I have to hold on to this for 3 years now. I guess sending it back to the seller is out of the question since its been so long. I did run his name on the county tax assessor website and he does own the home at the address that listed on past 4473's. Will send a certified letter and do a driveby of the house since its close. If he doesn't respond after the certified letter then I'm done with this.

Here's the gun in question. It might be out of production now. I couldn't find it on the Taurus website.
http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/taurus-raging-judge-magnum-review/

Yeah its a Taurus... but its a $700 Taurus.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 3:31:16 PM EDT
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If I was in this situation, I would do the certified letter and drive by, no response, it would just sit in my safe until I heard something or the time period elapsed and then dispose of it.  Hell it is in your book right now, you might as well get something out of it if he never shows back up again.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 6:01:19 PM EDT
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In my county I would call the sheriff or police chief. Heck, they could probably tell me without checking. Everybody knows everyone around here.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 6:15:31 PM EDT
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...all for a $15-$25 transfer fee.  
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 6:23:08 PM EDT
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Every dealer who does firearm transfers should have a storage policy in place before he ever accepts his first transfer.

Mine is: "Any firearm not picked up within 30 days of arrival is subject to a $5 per day storage fee unless prior arrangements are made."

I don't have the policy to get a free gun, I have it so people will come pick up their damn gun in a timely manner. If the transferee responds to my email and tells me he's on vacation for the next two month or that he's deployed I don't charge a penny. It's the guys who never respond that are the problem.
After the storage fees exceed the value of the firearm I may sell it to recover my storage fee.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 6:23:34 PM EDT
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But... but... but... a transfer is only five minutes of work!
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 6:26:33 PM EDT
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But... but... but... a transfer is only five minutes of work!
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...all for a $15-$25 transfer fee.  
But... but... but... a transfer is only five minutes of work!
And because you can do twelve in an hour you're making $1900 a day profit!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 6:27:15 PM EDT
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Is that a big hardship for you?

I have about 1 gun and 3 silencers with no owners coming to pick them up, one dating back 11 years. They sit in safe, bothering nobody. I will deal with it when I give up license.
Link Posted: 5/11/2018 7:51:05 PM EDT
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That's sort of like a $20,000 Yugo.
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 6:48:02 AM EDT
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Every dealer who does firearm transfers should have a storage policy in place before he ever accepts his first transfer.

Mine is: "Any firearm not picked up within 30 days of arrival is subject to a $5 per day storage fee unless prior arrangements are made."

I don't have the policy to get a free gun, I have it so people will come pick up their damn gun in a timely manner. If the transferee responds to my email and tells me he's on vacation for the next two month or that he's deployed I don't charge a penny. It's the guys who never respond that are the problem.
After the storage fees exceed the value of the firearm I may sell it to recover my storage fee.
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This ^
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 10:24:31 PM EDT
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My dad shut down our fun store thirty years ago, and still has numerous abandoned guns.  They have long been relegated to visual clutter, and dealing with them is not even close to being on his to-do list.

They just sit there at the house- complete with tags dangling from their trigger guards..
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When is he going to give up and do something about them?
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 10:27:56 PM EDT
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Every dealer who does firearm transfers should have a storage policy in place before he ever accepts his first transfer.

Mine is: "Any firearm not picked up within 30 days of arrival is subject to a $5 per day storage fee unless prior arrangements are made."

I don't have the policy to get a free gun, I have it so people will come pick up their damn gun in a timely manner. If the transferee responds to my email and tells me he's on vacation for the next two month or that he's deployed I don't charge a penny. It's the guys who never respond that are the problem.
After the storage fees exceed the value of the firearm I may sell it to recover my storage fee.
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I've had handguns sit in my safe for upwards to two years while their owner applied for his permit after moving into the state.
One guy from out of state sent quite a few handguns in advance of his move here and comes to visit them occasionally while he waits for his permit to be approved.
I'm not gonna charge people for storage. It isn't their fault that NYS has this retarded-ly long permit process.
Link Posted: 5/12/2018 11:23:59 PM EDT
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When is he going to give up and do something about them?
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His widow is going to throw them into the nearest dumpster.  He will never get rid of them.
Link Posted: 5/13/2018 9:53:58 PM EDT
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Is that a big hardship for you?

I have about 1 gun and 3 silencers with no owners coming to pick them up, one dating back 11 years. They sit in safe, bothering nobody. I will deal with it when I give up license.
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Great. I have to hold on to this for 3 years now.
Is that a big hardship for you?

I have about 1 gun and 3 silencers with no owners coming to pick them up, one dating back 11 years. They sit in safe, bothering nobody. I will deal with it when I give up license.
I gave up my FFL, but kept the corporation active for an additional year to give buyers the chance to finally get around to submitting their Form 4's. The local IOI even contacted NFA Branch about 9 months into the year and got the ones for which paperwork had been submitted, regardless of when it was submitted, expedited. I still gave BATFE more than a dozen unclaimed silencers when the corporation was dissolved, some of which had sat in the safe for nearly two years prior to surrendering the FFL, all because people wouldn't finish things like passport photos or write the $200 check.
Link Posted: 5/14/2018 11:44:55 AM EDT
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His widow is going to throw them into the nearest dumpster.  He will never get rid of them.
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Make sure when he dies that the newly installed dumpster in your back yard is the closest dumpster to her, then
Link Posted: 5/30/2018 7:31:07 AM EDT
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Any update?
Link Posted: 7/31/2018 8:05:06 PM EDT
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So I attempted another follow up with a phone call and email. No response. I had some down time at the office and stopped by his home address to check on him to see if he's still alive.

The home is in pretty bad shape, grass hasn't been mowed in months, trees overgrown and hanging over the house. There was even a sticker on the door from a real estate investor offering to buy the place. I guess he thought it was abandoned too. I checked with the next door neighbor and she said the guy is still alive and lives there although he never comes outside anymore and doesn't speak to anybody. So I left a note with my name and number taped to the front door and still havent received a call back.

The mystery continues....
Link Posted: 7/31/2018 11:59:28 PM EDT
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Tag for outcome.
Link Posted: 8/3/2018 12:49:37 PM EDT
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Call local police and have them do a welfare check man.

There is also the chance this guy is prohibited now and isn't planning on picking it up anymore.
Link Posted: 8/5/2018 5:28:10 PM EDT
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So I attempted another follow up with a phone call and email. No response. I had some down time at the office and stopped by his home address to check on him to see if he's still alive.

The home is in pretty bad shape, grass hasn't been mowed in months, trees overgrown and hanging over the house. There was even a sticker on the door from a real estate investor offering to buy the place. I guess he thought it was abandoned too. I checked with the next door neighbor and she said the guy is still alive and lives there although he never comes outside anymore and doesn't speak to anybody. So I left a note with my name and number taped to the front door and still havent received a call back.

The mystery continues....
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Sounds like the guy may have discovered internet porn.
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Link Posted: 8/5/2018 8:11:40 PM EDT
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If you ae worried about it, file a abandoned property claim and just get it over with, then you won't have to worry about it so much, then you can sell it and recover your money.
Link Posted: 10/17/2018 10:46:15 AM EDT
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So I attempted another follow up with a phone call and email. No response. I had some down time at the office and stopped by his home address to check on him to see if he's still alive.

The home is in pretty bad shape, grass hasn't been mowed in months, trees overgrown and hanging over the house. There was even a sticker on the door from a real estate investor offering to buy the place. I guess he thought it was abandoned too. I checked with the next door neighbor and she said the guy is still alive and lives there although he never comes outside anymore and doesn't speak to anybody. So I left a note with my name and number taped to the front door and still havent received a call back.

The mystery continues....
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Maybe he has become agoraphobic?

If he still lives there have the police do a welfare check. If no response might be time to contact the seller and let them know you're unable to contact the individual.
Link Posted: 11/9/2018 3:00:02 AM EDT
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Sounds like either his wife left him, someone he loves died or he was diagnosed with cancer. He has probably lost interest in guns and everything else that once gave him happiness. Poor guy.
Link Posted: 11/9/2018 4:06:32 AM EDT
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Is that a big hardship for you?

I have about 1 gun and 3 silencers with no owners coming to pick them up, one dating back 11 years. They sit in safe, bothering nobody. I will deal with it when I give up license.
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That's how I bought my first can years ago. The FFL had it in his safe for over 2 years and the buyer wouldn't respond to numerous phone calls, texts, and even certified letters. He paid for it and disappeared, never to return to fill out a Form 4. My FFL asked me one day while picking up a gun if I wanted a .22 suppressor for $200. I couldn't really say no. It's nothing fancy, an Innovative Arms Apex, but it's fun!
Link Posted: 11/9/2018 6:08:51 AM EDT
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Guy is probably Dead, in the Hospital, or Nursing home depending on his age. I have found people pretty easy online through a simple search pulling up Memorials at funeral homes.
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 11:29:42 AM EDT
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Had that problem with a guy and an approved silencer. Sat in our safe for over a year approved. Took a certified letter telling him that he had 7 days to collect his property or we were canceling the Form 4 and he would be subject to a 50% restocking fee.
Link Posted: 11/14/2018 12:04:46 PM EDT
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This thread reminds me I've got paperwork I need to mail
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