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Posted: 1/29/2020 6:43:55 AM EDT
Saw this Colt M16 A2 for sale locally. Being in Switzerland prices are different than in the US. Should be a bit over $ 2500.- I guess it’s an export model since there is no property of us gvt markings. Any ideas of year built ?
It seems to be in nice condition and I will most likely buy it, I need to apply for a special permit first, then a few weeks wait.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/29/2020 6:53:44 AM EDT
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From the lower, mid-late 80s.
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Posted: 1/29/2020 8:07:28 AM EDT
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I would think early, maybe even mid '85. Honestly, I wouldn't buy it if you're looking for an A2. It's no doubt a real Colt and it's certainly stamped A2 but it lacks the reinforcements to the lower that make an M16A2 an A2.
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Posted: 1/29/2020 8:32:32 AM EDT
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Looks like an A2 to me.
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Posted: 1/29/2020 8:49:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I would think early, maybe even mid '85. Honestly, I wouldn't buy it if you're looking for an A2. It's no doubt a real Colt and it's certainly stamped A2 but it lacks the reinforcements to the lower that make an M16A2 an A2. Well I have never seen another M16A2 for sale here in Switzerland. Seems it’s still a nice piece to own as a full auto Colt rifle for $ 2500+ |
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Posted: 1/29/2020 9:11:27 AM EDT
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I'd most certainly buy it. It is a very early M16A2.
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Posted: 1/29/2020 10:54:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you illustrate what the reinforcements look like please ? Well I have never seen another M16A2 for sale here in Switzerland. Seems it’s still a nice piece to own as a full auto Colt rifle for $ 2500+ Compare the areas around the front and rear takedown pins in this gun to the one you're looking at. Material was added to both and is what differentiates an A1 lower from an A2. During the transition from A1 to A2, Colt would take A1 forgings they had in inventory and mark them as A2 to fulfill foreign and domestic LE orders. The US military would not have accepted the gun you're looking at as an A2. 
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Posted: 1/29/2020 1:13:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure it would be a nice piece to own and if you're just looking for an M16 that one looks to be in very good shape. However, if you're specifically looking to add an A2 to your collection then I would pass. Compare the areas around the front and rear takedown pins in this gun to the one you're looking at. Material was added to both and is what differentiates an A1 lower from an A2. During the transition from A1 to A2, Colt would take A1 forgings they had in inventory and mark them as A2 to fulfill foreign and domestic LE orders. The US military would not have accepted the gun you're looking at as an A2. http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL176/1171244/2214857/413726564.jpg Guess it confirms that it’s an export model. So much variants due to the « old parts in the bin never go to waste » motto prevalent at Colt. I am not sure I will ever find an M16A2 with the proper lower here. I also imagine that by the mid eighties the US military was not « losing » as many rifles as in the past, and civilian sales were halted by the NFA of 19th May 1986. |
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Posted: 1/29/2020 1:49:39 PM EDT
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Front lugs sure make it look like an A1, buts be one of those in the transition period.
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Posted: 1/29/2020 3:12:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for explanation, very clear now with the picture you posted (which interestingly has an « auto » position rather than « burst » ). Guess it confirms that it’s an export model. So much variants due to the « old parts in the bin never go to waste » motto prevalent at Colt. I am not sure I will ever find an M16A2 with the proper lower here. I also imagine that by the mid eighties the US military was not « losing » as many rifles as in the past, and civilian sales were halted by the NFA of 19th May 1986. Where do your guns come from? What happened here regarding the NFA should have no bearing at all on what you might have access to. |
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Posted: 1/29/2020 3:58:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the order was large enough Colt would configure the gun the way the customer wanted. In the case of my gun the wholesaler asked for the guns to be marked AUTO and come with full auto internals. It's a relatively rare transferable variant here in the US. Where do your guns come from? What happened here regarding the NFA should have no bearing at all on what you might have access to. But maybe I’m wrong.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/29/2020 4:58:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I buy them from private sellers, auctions, LGS. I thought there was a relation when it comes to US property marked weapons, that they were still accessible to the American public’s prior 1986, and maybe sometimes exported. But maybe I’m wrong. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/390738/BB5FE95F-8144-45A3-BFAB-F07256AF273B_jpe-1254721.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/390738/B04E4BB0-71E8-4B67-9E4F-0A2456982A75_jpe-1254724.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/390738/25558FA0-F8A4-4C0C-9FB1-ABE78986A7ED_jpe-1254722.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/390738/84AF4F8D-C5EE-4339-AE16-C4A6A5ECE4DF_jpe-1254725.JPG Generally speaking, property marked guns were never available for sale to civilians here in the US. Some still made it into circulation but not from direct sales to civilians. The property marked guns available around the world were either battlefield pickups (Vietnam, as an example) or guns sold or gifted to allies of the US and then subsequently sold off as surplus by the country that received them (Israel, as an example). |
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Posted: 1/29/2020 5:33:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry about that, I should have been more clear. I wasn't asking where you buy your guns, I was asking where the guns available for sale in Switzerland come from. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some Iraqi M16A2's out there somewhere. Generally speaking, property marked guns were never available for sale to civilians here in the US. Some still made it into circulation but not from direct sales to civilians. The property marked guns available around the world were either battlefield pickups (Vietnam, as an example) or guns sold or gifted to allies of the US and then subsequently sold off as surplus by the country that received them (Israel, as an example).  Attached FileThe origin of any old gun is hard to track. My M16-A1 definitely spent time in Israel  Attached FileBut also likely passed in the hands of a British arms dealer  Attached File Attached FileThe XM177 no idea I have a Norinco M305, totally new, full of cosmoline, that was originally imported by Alan Lever in Canada  Attached File Attached FileAnd an NDM 86 originally imported by Kent firearms in Atlanta  Attached File Attached FileIf these things could talk. |
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Posted: 1/29/2020 9:16:37 PM EDT
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Very nice guns!
Quoted:...It seems to be in nice condition and I will most likely buy it, I need to apply for a special permit first, then a few weeks wait... 
And $2500 for a transitional M16A2
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:42:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The origin of any old gun is hard to track. My M16-A1 definitely spent time in Israel https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/390738/21BF397D-AA20-44C5-9B2D-9B1DE2D500EF_jpe-1254794.JPG  via Imgflip Meme Generator
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