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Posted: 11/25/2020 9:13:43 PM EDT
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Botach Battle Steel III+ single-curve plates weigh 4lb 9oz/ea and cost $129/ea and their III+ multicurve plates (what I have) weigh 5lbs/ea and cost $149/ea (weights from my own scale).
I've yet to see a Battle Steel plate fail against a rated threat. HTH... Tomac |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 9:25:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: Yes I know cheap won't be steel cheap, but I saw the Ferro special threat plates today. 2.7 pounds each seems amazing compared to my 7.5s but at $1200 a set I balked a bit. What is the sweet spot for price and weight? Would consider 3 or 3+ I think as my original thinking was 4 needed always. Seems that may not be the case after training in them. I imagine I could sell my current set to help some of the cost. Here's the hesco 210 I thought were the gold standard https://www.kotaoutfitters.com/product-page/copy-of-hesco-l210-level-iv-special-threat-plates-set-of-2 And here's the ferro I saw that made me chin up a bit and consider selling random things out of the safe https://ferroconcepts.com/collections/armor/products/armor-plate-set-pro-duritium-10x12-level-iii L210 isn't level III either, they're not rated for M80 ball .308. If that's a concern of yours, the RMA 1092-1094 plate is probably the best bang for the buck on a plate not made by the country responsible for the mess we're in and not sold by a company people constantly have issues with. I've personally been screwed by Botach. Even if I did think it was at all smart to rely on Chinese mystery armor I would advise against giving them money. |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 9:26:34 PM EDT
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I think those Ferros might be rebranded Shotstop? Weight and thickness are identical to their III+ PA, which will not defeat M855.
If you're looking for light protection and not worried about M855 then maybe try the UARM plates for $520. No idea if they're any good, just came across them while looking for new plates last night. |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 9:34:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think those Ferros might be rebranded Shotstop? Weight and thickness are identical to their III+ PA, which will not defeat M855. If you're looking for light protection and not worried about M855 then maybe try the UARM plates for $520. No idea if they're any good, just came across them while looking for new plates last night. This rebranding stuff gets me confused and then the conflicting levels makes this adventure a pain in the ass for new people to this. Part of me just wants to give up and get hesco pistol only plates that are $300 and stop handgun rounds. If I get shot with any damn rifle too bad :-/ |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 10:03:18 PM EDT
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Good deal right now:
https://www.jrhenterprises.com/Duritium-GT2-10x12-Level-III-Shooters-cut-Armor-plate-GTRF2-10X12SHMC.htm III+, light weight, thin, tested against M855! |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 10:08:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good deal right now: https://www.jrhenterprises.com/Duritium-GT2-10x12-Level-III-Shooters-cut-Armor-plate-GTRF2-10X12SHMC.htm III+, light weight, thin, tested against M855! Cheap = $375, Light = 6.48lbs?... 
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Posted: 11/25/2020 10:08:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cheap = $375, Light = 6.48lbs?... Cheaper than 600/plate That's density, weight is 3.8lb per plate |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 10:15:30 PM EDT
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That's also a special threat plate like the L210, not rated for .308. $375 per is more than the cost of a set of L210s from T-Rex Arms.
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Posted: 11/25/2020 10:24:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's also a special threat plate like the L210, not rated for .308. $375 per is more than the cost of a set of L210s from T-Rex Arms. I actually ordered a set of L210 from Trex arms earlier this week. I just ordered the GT2 because of weight and multicurve. Now I have two sets of plates I guess 
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Posted: 11/25/2020 10:30:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Botach Battle Steel III+ single-curve plates weigh 4lb 9oz/ea and cost $129/ea and their III+ multicurve plates (what I have) weigh 5lbs/ea and cost $149/ea (weights from my own scale). I've yet to see a Battle Steel plate fail against a rated threat. HTH... Tomac  Battle Steel Level III Budget Lightweight Rifle Rated Armor Test |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 10:40:31 PM EDT
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https://www.dfndrarmor.com/product/level-iiipp-rifle-rated-body-armor/
These plates are rated to stop m855 and a little cheaper then hesco 3810 with the black Friday sale... I would think m855 would be round on the check list to stop. |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 10:42:09 PM EDT
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Note that these level 3 plates are not rated for it, but lapg level 3 did stop an m855 round from a 10 inch barrel, as you can see on this video.
 LA Police Gear Level III Budget Armor: Better Than Level IV Plates? |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 11:17:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Note that these level 3 plates are not rated for it, but lapg level 3 did stop an m855 round from a 10 inch barrel, as you can see on this video.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYLvtrxZxcs @LAPoliceGear , Level III Ceramic, Torture Test! |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 11:31:18 PM EDT
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You can get a set of 3800's that are half a lb. lighter per plate for less money than those Shot Stop plates.
Also these companies calling a PE plate III+ just because it can stop M193 
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Posted: 11/25/2020 11:43:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can get a set of 3800's that are half a lb. lighter per plate for less money than those Shot Stop plates. Also these companies calling a PE plate III+ just because it can stop M193 Wouldn't 3810 be a more fair comparison with the ability to defeat M855? |
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Posted: 11/25/2020 11:49:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't 3810 be a more fair comparison with the ability to defeat M855? Clarifying that I am referring to the plates in the OP. Those "III+" Ferro (Shot Stop) plates don't stop M855 and are the equivalent to 3800's. Their III+ nomenclature is different from the industry standard of being able to stop M855/steel core in addition to M80 ball. They tack on the + because somehow being able to stop M193 warrants a + designation when any III PE plate would do the same. |
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Posted: 11/26/2020 12:14:03 AM EDT
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I really can't think of any scenario where you would want rifle rated plates and not be worried about M855
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Posted: 11/26/2020 11:38:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really can't think of any scenario where you would want rifle rated plates and not be worried about M855 Yeah I don’t understand that logic either. |
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Posted: 11/26/2020 11:50:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Botach Battle Steel III+ single-curve plates weigh 4lb 9oz/ea and cost $129/ea and their III+ multicurve plates (what I have) weigh 5lbs/ea and cost $149/ea (weights from my own scale). I've yet to see a Battle Steel plate fail against a rated threat. HTH... Tomac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM2h7cv4kJkNot sure why you posted this video, was it in support of my statement (as a Lvl III it didn't fail against rated threats) or in opposition to it? Thx... Tomac |
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Posted: 11/26/2020 1:37:00 PM EDT
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Those ShotStop plates from Ferro don't stop M855. So it seems misleading for them to call it III+ if it fails to stop one of the most common rifle rounds from the most common rifle.
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Posted: 11/26/2020 1:49:41 PM EDT
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These are a decent price and light weight
Ace Link III PS Rifle Armor Plate |
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Posted: 11/26/2020 1:58:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThose are chinese. |
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Posted: 11/26/2020 2:23:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are chinese. Ok. He didn't say Made in USA. He wanted cheap and light |
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Posted: 11/26/2020 2:31:20 PM EDT
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Tencate CR2000 SA plates seem like another good option in this space. They seem like they fit right between Hesco 3810s and RMA 1092s. A little more money than the RMAs, but significantly thinner. A little bit heavier than the 3810s, but less expensive. Not exactly cheap, but not absurd either.
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Posted: 11/27/2020 12:20:57 AM EDT
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RMA 109x series
American made with American materials. Is a real III+ that stops all RF2 rounds (upcoming standard) unlike some plates that claim to be III+ but lack m855. |
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Posted: 12/2/2020 3:04:48 PM EDT
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damn, the more I read about plates the more confused I get.
Is it worth the ~$600 cost to go with RMA 1092, which will save me 7 pounds overall? |
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Posted: 12/2/2020 3:22:57 PM EDT
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You should have refreshed this page on Black Friday, these were on sale for $375.
https://www.jrhenterprises.com/Duritium-GT2-10x12-Level-III-Shooters-cut-Armor-plate-GTRF2-10X12SHMC.htm |
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Posted: 12/2/2020 3:26:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should have refreshed this page on Black Friday, these were on sale for $375. https://www.jrhenterprises.com/Duritium-GT2-10x12-Level-III-Shooters-cut-Armor-plate-GTRF2-10X12SHMC.htm not quite ready to drop $800 on plates at the moment. |
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Posted: 12/2/2020 4:07:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should have refreshed this page on Black Friday, these were on sale for $375. https://www.jrhenterprises.com/Duritium-GT2-10x12-Level-III-Shooters-cut-Armor-plate-GTRF2-10X12SHMC.htm Got mine today. Perfect balance of price, protection, weight, and thickness. Will probably keep these and sell the L210s I bought impulsively. |
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