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Posted: 11/19/2022 8:07:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cms81586: Totally impractical yet still somehow way more reliable and smoother than 9mm AR’s and the latest subgun offerings from CZ, Sig, and B&T. I’d say it’s not antiquated at all. Agreed I have the Scorpion, and the Colt 9mm Mp-5 rules the roost |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 8:08:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cms81586: What manufacturer? My SP-5 eats 124gr and 147gr hollow points like they’re tictacs. All of my Mp-5's feed HP's. Smooth as a hot knife through butter |
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Posted: 12/13/2022 7:03:55 PM EDT
[#3]
Bump for updates!
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Posted: 12/14/2022 8:31:53 AM EDT
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I doubt we will have any updates until the Shot Show . Most of the vendors like to hold new releases and other info like this for Shot Show hype.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:02:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: I doubt we will have any updates until the Shot Show . Most of the vendors like to hold new releases and other info like this for Shot Show hype. Uh oh. This sounds like a product release is incoming. |
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Posted: 12/15/2022 11:43:21 AM EDT
[#6]
Oh man, I hope this happens!
Would really like a HK33K clone. |
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Posted: 12/15/2022 2:43:42 PM EDT
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I hope this happens. I really want an HK clone 5.56 SBR .
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Posted: 12/15/2022 7:05:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZgunner: I hope this happens. I really want an HK clone 5.56 SBR . Me too. I just bought an HK bipod for one after getting surplus furniture and new mags. |
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Posted: 12/15/2022 11:14:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tiger222: Oh man, I hope this happens! Would really like a HK33K clone.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/16/2022 8:47:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hecklerjones: Me too. I just bought an HK bipod for one after getting surplus furniture and new mags. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hecklerjones: Originally Posted By AZgunner: I hope this happens. I really want an HK clone 5.56 SBR . Me too. I just bought an HK bipod for one after getting surplus furniture and new mags. Where did you find a bipod? I need one… |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2022 10:26:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hecklerjones]
[#11]
RTG Parts. New HK.
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Posted: 12/16/2022 10:35:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hecklerjones: RTG Parts. New HK. Dang. OOS. |
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Posted: 12/16/2022 11:59:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cms81586: Dang. OOS. Folks are loading up for the release of an MKE HK33 clone. |
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Posted: 12/30/2022 2:58:53 AM EDT
[#14]
Any updates? I know SHOT is around the corner. I emailed MKE USA just asking if I should go ahead and splurge on that TPM SD build or hold off for some 33K and G3K clones. Would also go for a 53 clone since I already have a 33K, but I really don't want to drop the coin on an SD and then turn around and have the rifle caliber MKE guns be posted on Atlantic the following day. That's the type of luck I roll with. But if we are still 6-8 months out, then TPM is getting my money.
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Posted: 12/30/2022 10:59:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tiger222: Oh man, I hope this happens! Would really like a HK33K clone. Same here. But I’m not going to get excited, I’d bet a cup of coffee any MKE 33K will be completely sold out with in minutes and we will have to wait months for another dribble of guns. Or just go on GunBroker the following day, because that’s where you will find probably 50%-75% of the introductory guns, for double or triple the price. Beryl 5.56s are a perfect example of what happens when manufacturers and importers play the dribble game. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 6:38:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadyman: Same here. But I'm not going to get excited, I'd bet a cup of coffee any MKE 33K will be completely sold out with in minutes and we will have to wait months for another dribble of guns. Or just go on GunBroker the following day, because that's where you will find probably 50%-75% of the introductory guns, for double or triple the price. Beryl 5.56s are a perfect example of what happens when manufacturers and importers play the dribble game. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadyman: Originally Posted By tiger222: Oh man, I hope this happens! Would really like a HK33K clone. Same here. But I'm not going to get excited, I'd bet a cup of coffee any MKE 33K will be completely sold out with in minutes and we will have to wait months for another dribble of guns. Or just go on GunBroker the following day, because that's where you will find probably 50%-75% of the introductory guns, for double or triple the price. Beryl 5.56s are a perfect example of what happens when manufacturers and importers play the dribble game. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 7:23:06 AM EDT
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Should I expect these to be priced similarly to the AP5s? Maybe slightly higher?
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:42:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Should I expect these to be priced similarly to the AP5s? Maybe slightly higher? There has been on official word yet on prices and would expect the prices to be much higher than the AP5 series as the other POTENTIAL models will be produced in smaller numbers . |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:49:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fivepointoh: Any updates? I know SHOT is around the corner. I emailed MKE USA just asking All of this takes a ton of time , ATF approval for import , Negotiations for the order and prices , MKE booking it into their schedule , Production time , Export to US and finally sale . Probably 12 -16 months front start to finish . |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 1:23:56 PM EDT
[#20]
I’d definitely want an HK33K clone. Picking up an AP5 has been like a gateway drug for me. I was never to interested in roller lock guns before but now I want an AP5-P and AP5-M plus the 33 clone. My wallet hates me.
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Posted: 12/31/2022 1:35:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: All of this takes a ton of time , ATF approval for import , Negotiations for the order and prices , MKE booking it into their schedule , Production time , Export to US and finally sale . Probably 12 -16 months front start to finish . Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: Originally Posted By fivepointoh: Any updates? I know SHOT is around the corner. I emailed MKE USA just asking All of this takes a ton of time , ATF approval for import , Negotiations for the order and prices , MKE booking it into their schedule , Production time , Export to US and finally sale . Probably 12 -16 months front start to finish . @ATLANTIC-FIREARMS I’m sure you guys can’t really say directly, but if something were to be worked out and agreed upon by all parties to get this done, would it be possible that that 12 to 16 month timeframe has already started or would that be 12 to 16 months starting from the announcement officially of a partnership or intention to import? Just trying to ballpark if we have another 12 to 16 months to wait from a SHOT announcement or, if the announcement of such a partnership at an event like SHOT would occur partway through those 12 to 16 months |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 2:53:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By agb104983: @ATLANTIC-FIREARMS I’m sure you guys can’t really say directly, but if something were to be worked out and agreed upon by all parties to get this done, would it be possible that that 12 to 16 month timeframe has already started or would that be 12 to 16 months starting from the announcement officially of a partnership or intention to import? Just trying to ballpark if we have another 12 to 16 months to wait from a SHOT announcement or, if the announcement of such a partnership at an event like SHOT would occur partway through those 12 to 16 months Good question. I’m ready with the credit card and already have an account and have bought several things from Atlantic already. Just waiting for a 33K to show up. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 3:51:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadyman: Good question. I'm ready with the credit card and already have an account and have bought several things from Atlantic already. Just waiting for a 33K to show up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadyman: Originally Posted By agb104983: @ATLANTIC-FIREARMS I'm sure you guys can't really say directly, but if something were to be worked out and agreed upon by all parties to get this done, would it be possible that that 12 to 16 month timeframe has already started or would that be 12 to 16 months starting from the announcement officially of a partnership or intention to import? Just trying to ballpark if we have another 12 to 16 months to wait from a SHOT announcement or, if the announcement of such a partnership at an event like SHOT would occur partway through those 12 to 16 months Good question. I'm ready with the credit card and already have an account and have bought several things from Atlantic already. Just waiting for a 33K to show up. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 4:42:53 PM EDT
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If just a few are coming in they’re a non factor, as the price will be bid up to near HK93 rates by dealers putting them on gunbroker.
Hopefully PTR gets off it’s ass and finally makes a .223 model. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 5:02:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeMilligan: If just a few are coming in they’re a non factor, as the price will be bid up to near HK93 rates by dealers putting them on gunbroker. Hopefully PTR gets off it’s ass and finally makes a .223 model. I’ve spoke on the phone with Zenith too. They are planning on making a 33 rifle and 33K also. Late ‘23 was kinda the timeline. I’d go with either a MKE or Zenith. Whoever gets it out first gets my money. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 6:01:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: There has been on official word yet on prices and would expect the prices to be much higher than the AP5 series as the other POTENTIAL models will be produced in smaller numbers . Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Should I expect these to be priced similarly to the AP5s? Maybe slightly higher? There has been on official word yet on prices and would expect the prices to be much higher than the AP5 series as the other POTENTIAL models will be produced in smaller numbers . That’s unfortunate, under $1,500 and I’m interested. Any more than that and I’m out. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 6:24:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: That's unfortunate, under $1,500 and I'm interested. Any more than that and I'm out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Should I expect these to be priced similarly to the AP5s? Maybe slightly higher? There has been on official word yet on prices and would expect the prices to be much higher than the AP5 series as the other POTENTIAL models will be produced in smaller numbers . That's unfortunate, under $1,500 and I'm interested. Any more than that and I'm out. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:42:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: agb104983]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadyman: I’ve spoke on the phone with Zenith too. They are planning on making a 33 rifle and 33K also. Late ‘23 was kinda the timeline. I’d go with either a MKE or Zenith. Whoever gets it out first gets my money. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadyman: Originally Posted By MikeMilligan: If just a few are coming in they’re a non factor, as the price will be bid up to near HK93 rates by dealers putting them on gunbroker. Hopefully PTR gets off it’s ass and finally makes a .223 model. I’ve spoke on the phone with Zenith too. They are planning on making a 33 rifle and 33K also. Late ‘23 was kinda the timeline. I’d go with either a MKE or Zenith. Whoever gets it out first gets my money. Unfortunately, Zenith will say just about anything to stay relevant from what I’ve seen. For example, they claimed they were going to be releasing an A3 stock for a long time, and then once Atlantic dropped the news of a MKE A3 stock import they put together a digital picture in like 24 hours of a A3-ish stock and started taking pre-orders using that digital image. I think that was 5 months ago and somehow they still can’t get that A3 stock produced or even an actual picture of a physical production stock prototype. I followed them when they were spooling up for their domestic full size MP5 production and that seemed to take 2 years. They’ve had their full size MP5 in production for maybe a little over a year now and they still haven’t quite gotten a MP5K in retail sales. I have absolutely zero expectation that they get a .223 rollerlock firearm into retail production and sale by the end of 2023. But I think they feel like they have to pretend so that they have customers holding on and waiting for their firearm eventually and not purchasing MKE |
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Posted: 1/1/2023 9:56:19 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By agb104983: Unfortunately, Zenith will say just about anything to stay relevant from what I’ve seen. For example, they claimed they were going to be releasing an A3 stock for a long time, and then once Atlantic dropped the news of a MKE A3 stock import they put together a digital picture in like 24 hours of a A3-ish stock and started taking pre-orders using that digital image. I think that was 5 months ago and somehow they still can’t get that A3 stock produced or even an actual picture of a physical production stock prototype. I followed them when they were spooling up for their domestic full size MP5 production and that seemed to take 2 years. They’ve had their full size MP5 in production for maybe a little over a year now and they still haven’t quite gotten a MP5K in retail sales. I have absolutely zero expectation that they get a .223 rollerlock firearm into retail production and sale by the end of 2023. But I think they feel like they have to pretend so that they have customers holding on and waiting for their firearm eventually and not purchasing MKE Good points. Quite odd the market for HK93ish rifles and pistols, there is huge demand yet no manufacturer, HK, MKE, PTR, ect want to jump in and prioritize building something everyone is begging for. I picked up my HK93 for $2500 now they are going for north of $4-$5k on GunBroker. That must be a hint there is an mega demand out there. Yet manufacturers keep on pumping out another railed out AR platform. Boring! |
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Posted: 1/1/2023 11:25:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By agb104983: @ATLANTIC-FIREARMS I'm sure you guys can't really say directly, but if something were to be worked out and agreed upon by all parties to get this done, would it be possible that that 12 to 16 month timeframe has already started or would that be 12 to 16 months starting from the announcement officially of a partnership or intention to import? Just trying to ballpark if we have another 12 to 16 months to wait from a SHOT announcement or, if the announcement of such a partnership at an event like SHOT would occur partway through those 12 to 16 months Knowing a fair amount about the importation countdown process the process would have started when they posted some sneak peeks of the MKE gun samples |
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Posted: 1/1/2023 11:44:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: Knowing a fair amount about the importation countdown process the process would have started when they posted some sneak peeks of the MKE gun samples Nice  !!!
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Posted: 1/1/2023 12:32:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: Knowing a fair amount about the importation countdown process the process would have started when they posted some sneak peeks of the MKE gun samples Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: Originally Posted By agb104983: @ATLANTIC-FIREARMS I'm sure you guys can't really say directly, but if something were to be worked out and agreed upon by all parties to get this done, would it be possible that that 12 to 16 month timeframe has already started or would that be 12 to 16 months starting from the announcement officially of a partnership or intention to import? Just trying to ballpark if we have another 12 to 16 months to wait from a SHOT announcement or, if the announcement of such a partnership at an event like SHOT would occur partway through those 12 to 16 months Knowing a fair amount about the importation countdown process the process would have started when they posted some sneak peeks of the MKE gun samples Perfect, thank you |
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Posted: 1/3/2023 12:48:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fivepointoh: They've kept up a pretty damn healthy stream of MP5's, I bet it wouldn't be hard to keep the supply flowing after the initial run. Especially if they sell out quickly, which they will. Just have your notifications or be checking the usual places, plus here, and be ready to add to cart and have your browser remembering your CC info. But again, look how long these MP5's have been available at blow out prices. And Turkey as a whole, needs the money. They're gonna build and import and sell as many as they possibly can. I just want a G3K and 33K, and if I'm honest with myself, I could go for a 51 and 53 also. I've got one 33K by PCS which I love, but I don't really shoot it b/c it's my grail gun. But a cheaper 33k for a shooter, I'd buy that and do my best to wear out the barrel. @fivepointoh You are smarter than I when it comes to this stuff. What is a G3K and 33K you reference? |
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Posted: 1/3/2023 1:25:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nutro: @fivepointoh You are smarter than I when it comes to this stuff. What is a G3K and 33K you reference? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nutro: Originally Posted By fivepointoh: They've kept up a pretty damn healthy stream of MP5's, I bet it wouldn't be hard to keep the supply flowing after the initial run. Especially if they sell out quickly, which they will. Just have your notifications or be checking the usual places, plus here, and be ready to add to cart and have your browser remembering your CC info. But again, look how long these MP5's have been available at blow out prices. And Turkey as a whole, needs the money. They're gonna build and import and sell as many as they possibly can. I just want a G3K and 33K, and if I'm honest with myself, I could go for a 51 and 53 also. I've got one 33K by PCS which I love, but I don't really shoot it b/c it's my grail gun. But a cheaper 33k for a shooter, I'd buy that and do my best to wear out the barrel. @fivepointoh You are smarter than I when it comes to this stuff. What is a G3K and 33K you reference? I’m not five-point but just as a general overview(and rounding barrel lengths), The regular G3 7.62x51 has almost an 18 inch barrel, G3K is the same gun but with a little over 12 inch barrel. HK33 is the full size .223 with a barrel length between 15 and 16 inches. HK33K is a little over 12 inches barrel length. |
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Posted: 1/3/2023 1:31:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nutro: @fivepointoh You are smarter than I when it comes to this stuff. What is a G3K and 33K you reference? Originally Posted By agb104983: I'm not five-point but just as a general overview(and rounding barrel lengths), The regular G3 7.62x51 has almost an 18 inch barrel, G3K is the same gun but with a little over 12 inch barrel. HK33 is the full size .223 with a barrel length between 15 and 16 inches. HK33K is a little over 12 inches barrel length.  This exactly. I hope they bring both variants. Would love a 53 and 51 also but I doubt they will do those. I don't even really desire the full size, just the K variants of each. |
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Posted: 1/3/2023 4:00:45 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By agb104983: Unfortunately, Zenith will say just about anything to stay relevant from what I've seen. For example, they claimed they were going to be releasing an A3 stock for a long time, and then once Atlantic dropped the news of a MKE A3 stock import they put together a digital picture in like 24 hours of a A3-ish stock and started taking pre-orders using that digital image. I think that was 5 months ago and somehow they still can't get that A3 stock produced or even an actual picture of a physical production stock prototype. I followed them when they were spooling up for their domestic full size MP5 production and that seemed to take 2 years. They've had their full size MP5 in production for maybe a little over a year now and they still haven't quite gotten a MP5K in retail sales. I have absolutely zero expectation that they get a .223 rollerlock firearm into retail production and sale by the end of 2023. But I think they feel like they have to pretend so that they have customers holding on and waiting for their firearm eventually and not purchasing MKE |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:13:12 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K1rodeoboater: At this point they'd be better off abandoning the 33's and making G41s at this point. Gun Jesus disagrees.  Shooting the HK G41: Like an HK33 But Worse |
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Posted: 1/4/2023 7:49:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryTSC Machine did a one-off transferable using a G41K parts kit, Fleming registered pack and, a HK93 receiver - IIRC it sold for $70,000. The TSC gun.    I'll take one of each, please.   |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:52:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By osprey21: TSC Machine did a one-off transferable using a G41K parts kit, Fleming registered pack and, a HK93 receiver - IIRC it sold for $70,000. The TSC gun. https://i.postimg.cc/6qWYFbrh/IMG-9566-2.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/4NMQ1xSP/IMG-9568-2.jpg I'll take one of each, please. https://i.postimg.cc/c48n0MF7/G41A2-3.jpg DAMN. A fool and his money..... |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 12:53:27 PM EDT
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I emailed Century about these and they said they have no info on a release date or any info in general.
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Posted: 1/6/2023 2:13:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nutro: I emailed Century about these and they said they have no info on a release date or any info in general. I bet you get an announcement at SHOT show next week. They're not going to release info until the official announcement. |
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Posted: 1/6/2023 11:01:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By agb104983: I bet you get an announcement at SHOT show next week. They're not going to release info until the official announcement. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By agb104983: Originally Posted By Nutro: I emailed Century about these and they said they have no info on a release date or any info in general. I bet you get an announcement at SHOT show next week. They're not going to release info until the official announcement. Fingers crossed. I’m tempted to start buying HK 33 mags right now. But I did that in preparation for the Springfield Armory Hi-Power clone and that thing is unobtanium still. |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 1:34:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By agb104983: I bet you get an announcement at SHOT show next week. They're not going to release info until the official announcement. Even if they announce it’s release will probably be late ‘24  |
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Posted: 1/7/2023 1:55:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DKUltra]
[#44]
My Vector V-93 was badass, and fun to shoot. But man was it front heavy, and not balanced at all.
Would be interested in a semi G41
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Posted: 1/7/2023 2:22:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DKUltra: My Vector V-93 was badass, and fun to shoot. But man was it front heavy, and not balanced at all. Would be interested in a semi G41 |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 1:44:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:23:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zeebz]
[#47]
Well guys, no updates from Shot on MKE 5.56 or 7.62 roller lock guns. Apparently Subnet went by the booth (based on the discussion in GD) and didn't see any roller locks guns out at the Century booth.
That said....... Zenith might beat MKE/Century to the punch. They are prototypes, but they're in the pipeline. HK33 rifles with cold hammer forged barrels:  SHOT Show 2023: Zenith ZF33K |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:40:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz: Well guys, no updates from Shot on MKE 5.56 or 7.62 roller lock guns. Apparently Subnet went by the booth (based on the discussion in GD) and didn't see any roller locks guns out at the Century booth. That said....... Zenith might beat MKE/Century to the punch. They are prototypes, but they're in the pipeline. HK33 rifles with cold hammer forged barrels:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBave8dBhnMPer the hot Zenith spokeswoman, the soonest we'll see them are 2024. That's some damn long pipeline. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:50:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident: Per the hot Zenith spokeswoman, the soonest we'll see them are 2024. That's some damn long pipeline. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident: Originally Posted By Zeebz: Well guys, no updates from Shot on MKE 5.56 or 7.62 roller lock guns. Apparently Subnet went by the booth (based on the discussion in GD) and didn't see any roller locks guns out at the Century booth. That said....... Zenith might beat MKE/Century to the punch. They are prototypes, but they're in the pipeline. HK33 rifles with cold hammer forged barrels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBave8dBhnMPer the hot Zenith spokeswoman, the soonest we'll see them are 2024. That's some damn long pipeline. 
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Posted: 1/18/2023 12:28:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident: Per the hot Zenith spokeswoman, the soonest we'll see them are 2024. That's some damn long pipeline. Was it 2024 for those? I jumped around the video and when they were mentioning the HK416/417 clones she said those would be out late 2023 most likely. ...and yes, you guys read that right. Zenith is making 416/417 clones as well. |
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